Comment archive for JasonAller.

2005-05-05 00:15:32   Nice jobs adding pics for a lot of the ones of the Arboretum are fabulous! —KalenRidenour

2005-05-10 18:03:05   There was some extra space after it (like two returns) —PhilipNeustrom

2005-05-15 00:18:40   jason aller you are the dedicated wiki gnome I always wanted myself to be —TravisGrathwell

2005-05-18 01:20:58   You actually filled in my info. You are awesome! —ElvinLee

2005-05-20 21:20:50   Thank you for the transcription of the Veteran's marker. —JabberWokky

2005-05-22 12:36:08   looks like someone's becoming a WikiGnome ; ). —ArlenAbraham

2005-05-25 22:46:24   Is the toilet picture from the north or south side of fifth street? I know there are public yards on both sides but I think that only the south side is the "corp yard". I could very well be wrong about this though. —JackHaskel

2005-06-04 16:01:57   I dunno what happen. I didnt make it do that —AshleyOrsaba

2005-06-12 16:44:12   Yeah, thanks for you help! —AbbyLawson

2005-06-12 16:57:58   Thanks for fixing my picture, I haven't figured out how to use this site yet. —ShawnaMellon

2005-06-13 05:11:25   OOh thanks. —NiareeHopelian

2005-06-15 21:00:47   Make 10 pages tonight! —PhilipNeustrom

2005-06-21 20:26:56   i'm doing the google thing right now. i like your picture, i take so many like that! —MichelleAccurso

2005-07-11 22:43:50   that redirect template is somewhat confusing —ArlenAbraham

2005-07-11 23:11:31   Yeah, I think if people don't know how to do a redirect, they might not know to click the "redirected from" link and then edit to see the code. Hope you don't mind if I edited it the way I did? —ES

2005-07-18 19:45:51   where did you get the overhead shot from the worst intersection? —MichelleAccurso

  • 2005-07-18 19:49:54   I have a copy of the same dataset that is at I combined two sections and rotated it. —JasonAller
    • 2005-07-18 20:52:29   You shoulda paid more attention at the BBQ Michelle, Jason can fly! In fact, he took off right after this picture which shocked PopeChristof and JackHaskel to no end. I think his camera can also do x-rays. —ES
      • 2005-07-18 21:30:19   sorry ed, i guess i missed that part :( how beautifully awesome! —MichelleAccurso

1999-07-01 Wiki? I knew some Davisites who loooved to drink wiki. Wayne Schiller"

You know Wayne, I've got no idea what you are trying to convey with this statement. —JasonAller

2005-08-19 23:10:21   I have some old friends who love to drink wiki. Wiki, is a funny way to say whiskey. —WayneSchiller

2005-07-26 00:08:53   You did a good job of editing the homeless page. Thanks. StanleyRaven —StanleyRaven

2005-08-04 09:23:36   when we say vet med we mean vet med central services, but i suppose it's different for different departments. —ArlenAbraham

2005-08-12 14:47:44   Jason, do you have a copy of the Arlington Farms page archived? Elaine re-editted it just now. —RussBowlus

2005-08-12 14:55:43   Nevermind, figured out the revert. :) —RussBowlus

2005-08-13 15:51:37   eeks,my bad! i am just not on the ball today —ES

2005-08-14 21:56:48   aw, no problem. yeah, i guess i could make Ed a page, i'll check out the links you put up. —MichelleAccurso

2005-08-15 15:43:08   I would love some help in "posting" that photo i have uploaded. thank you for your assistance. —MichaelVanderArend

2005-08-15 21:17:03   Fine, Philip didn't actually say that but I'm doing all I can to make the founder a legend. —DatNguyen

2005-08-16 18:12:19   jason, just saw that you edited a Studio66 - there's already a Studio 66 link. I had posted it originally, which is why it caught my attention. I'm not sure how to fix something like that. —JanelleAlvstadMattson

2005-08-17 22:01:07   Hey Jason, We just got word that our move (Aquarius) was posted on this site w/some pics. Thanks so much for doing this for us. A customer said today she found our new address and pics of new store on this site!! Awesome!! Again...thank you! —LeaMcManus

2005-08-17 22:05:43   I don't deserve the credit. I was only responsible for the most recent edit to the page. You can use the Info tab in yellow at the upper left to see the history of edits that brought the page to it's current state. Welcome to the Wiki, and enjoy. —JasonAller

2005-08-19 22:26:37   thanks for helping me out on my page :) —SaraMagliulo

2005-08-21 22:36:28   let's go build some roles. —ArlenAbraham

2005-09-03 16:23:11   Looks like Families First was your 400th page creation. Great job on all your work on the wiki! —CarlMcCabe

2005-09-07 11:21:31   I tried. Hope you like it. —CarlMcCabe

2005-10-03 12:29:09   Thanks much for fixing a link I'd set. —LenoreMyers

2005-10-23 10:55:08   Hey Jason, I was thinking that there should be a muni code template so that people can easily create muni code pages. Preferably with some instructions (ie go here, search for this, copy this, paste that, etc). —ArlenAbraham

2005-10-23 15:58:51   Hey, I'd like to get one of those suckers for the hole, but alas, it has to be kept completely secret! —JohnDudek

2005-10-25 20:34:58   Thanks for the help on Chuck the mover. (gotta make a living somehow) —ChuckFrank

2005-10-30 10:36:08   Thanks for the encouragement. I'll stick with it. —SharlaDaly

2005-10-30 18:36:53   im surry i sux ats teh spellingz :P —ES

2005-11-03 21:37:24   I think the discussion of their policy is more relevant to the school than to the idea of AUPs in general, especially considering that High Schoolers do not have the same consitutional protection that adults have. After the discussion cools it can be refactored into a summary of the policy w/ possible objections. Just my 2c. —PhilipNeustrom

2005-11-03 22:06:40   Can't believe I forgot the sushi link on the food-eating, and it's cool that it's off to a good start! —JohnDudek

2005-11-08 12:10:18   Steve Davison, John Dudek, and I are going to restaurant review on friday. We are interested in discovering the secret identities of the members of SWRR, to join up and review as a huge happy group. —AlexNorris

2005-11-09 20:36:22   The overpass leads from West to South, it's on the page. ( : —JohnDudek

It was a real question about if you had east and west mixed up. —JasonAller

2005-11-09 21:07:22   Oops. You're right, and considering that I live right next to it, I made a pretty sad mistake. Thanks for fixing it! —JohnDudek

2005-11-11 02:21:22   LOL thanks Jason...I've been here for quite some time, just without a page! =) —KarlaFung

2005-11-19 09:33:35   I've got lots of cracks in my walls, but I think they're from the house settling rather than earthquakes, but I really haven't lived here too long. —ArlenAbraham

2005-11-22 11:41:14   Did Scrapbook Alley move into the location occupied by A Better Place to Bead?? —AlphaDog

I couldn't figure that out myself. —JasonAller

2005-12-17 18:11:35   Thanks - the first couple Integrate Comment notices were done as a test, so I forgot to move the image over. —JabberWokky

2006-01-01 23:38:34   "JK micro...": there shouldn't be an exception for this page since there are many others with the same issue. I say, make it JK Micro... but in the text say it's JK micro. I was going to fix it but... —SteveDavison

2006-01-02 00:20:22   PN: I believe the preferred method is not to edit my comment (above), but to add your own comment explaining the fix, or whatever. —SteveDavison

2006-01-14 10:37:16   judging by their website, it's Nicky and Kim, 2 people. —ES

2006-01-16 12:04:31   thanks for fixing my Big Red Radiocycle link- I couldn't figure out why it was showing as orphaned... —MattJurach

2006-01-19 19:18:36   RE 2006 timeline: A while ago I created a page off Davis Politics titled City Politics/2005. A little different than what you're doing, but perhaps the two could be combined into a recent history page. —AlphaDog

2006-02-04 13:26:58   If all goes really well, I'm starting an internship in the Center for Vectorborne Diseases this March. The lab works with the plague, west nile, ticks, all kinds of cool infectious and vectorborne diseases. Once I know the place better I'll write more up about some of the labs and research going on! —ES

2006-02-05 14:00:59   Thanks for making the link Jason, I really didn't feel that it was all that outrageous to have such a small page. But I hate being told that something isn't Davis related. So I deleted it. Thanks again. —AndrewBanta

2006-02-05 23:14:03   usurp! —ArlenAbraham

2006-02-06 18:28:34   it's ok, once i get a digital camera i'll catch up —ArlenAbraham

2006-02-08 18:32:28   thanks for the help.... i never knew so many things had links. i just started my wiki journey so to speak, so i appreciate the help for sure! —AngelinaMalfitano

2006-02-19 22:16:35   xedty on Lexington Edit - I think its great you're checking up on the edits. I didn't think that that comment was so appropriate there. Maybe it can be put back in the comments section. —XeDty

Ok, I was just curious. —JasonAller

2006-02-20 16:27:59   If ever you do that, please let me know— and keep in mind that was without ice added! —CraigBrozinsky

2006-03-01 23:37:18   Hey, noticed you updated the AfterShocker band page. Appreciate the help. —JoshRau

2006-03-06 17:54:31   Question - How do I add a "Comments" box on a page? I want to add comments to the Mengali's Florist page but theres no box. —AmandaCaudle

2006-03-14 19:48:14   thanks for your help on the Precious Cargo Pet Taxi page ... really nice dude! .. Mari —MariHayward

2006-03-17 17:13:19   Thanks for the 2006-2005 edit....finals are killin my brain! —JamesSchwab

2006-03-19 11:52:04   there can never be too many!!!11!!!11!!ONEONE11!!!! —ES

When I see a string of exclamation marks like that I either think "Bang Bang Bang" or "Not Not Not" and it is either too loud or a triple or (more) negative. — JasonAller

2006-03-20 22:41:50   Great job on the candidate summaries!! —JamesSchwab

I'm sure that I managed to hear or get something wrong and I'll be surprised if no one is offended. — JasonAller

2006-03-20 22:43:27   nice candidate summaries... were there any opening remarks/ open comment sections that gave a little bit better window into each candidate's individual priorities? thanks! —ThomasLloyd

They each had one minute to introduce themselves. — JasonAller

2006-03-22 20:43:36   Wow. i'm not sure if i feel like you're stalking me...or you've got my wiki back. Thanks jason! —HoJoSparks

2006-03-25 05:11:29   I'm just talking about some of the sour, nasty, whiny, overly cerebral comments I've seen left on here (mainly restaurant pages since that's what I'm usually checking) , but which are so common in any internet community. —AricaChhay

Yeah, the "food poisoning" comments are collectively pretty questionable. I'll spend some time working on that today. There is a decision point between respecting the input of those users to which you refer and determining that it has no value. If you are sure that the particular contribution has no value edit it.— JasonAller

Value is in the eye of the beholder. What I may find annoying or crass or pointless may be of some use to another. I would never be comfortable editing somebody else's "contribution." I find some of the comments mildly bothersome. That's all. — AricaChhay

2006-03-25 10:56:47   some of the most common foodborne illnesses are intoxications, not infections, meaning there's no real incubation period. just depends on how much is in the food, and how long it takes to absorb it, or how effective is it. staph aureus is pretty much the most common cause of food poisoning, and its not an infection - and it usually happens from two to six (more realistic for smaller amt) hours afterword. —ES

2006-03-30 12:11:12   I'm not a communist. I don't believe it's up to the government to keep checks on a restaurant that gives me food which will harm me. If Yolo County Health didn't go to Jack in the Box and say "Hey, that's bad, don't keep this food at room temperature" Jack in the Box should have done it itself. If you'd like, I'll post another complaint on the Yolo Health page, but I'm not removing the one I have because it is true and especially because it's not meant as a personal attack against the store, simply as an informative reason of why I will no longer be giving my business. —SS

Saul, I'm sorry. I was clearing out all food poisoning comments because of ones like this. I notified each author of the removal and invited them to re-add the comment after looking at the food poisoning page. Due to what I saw as the seriousness of the claims I wanted to clean house and make sure that they were all positive contributions to the wiki. Doing so wasn't intended to be a personal attack on you.JasonAller

2006-03-31 08:16:25   That article you cited in Mosaic — it's about a virus that infects plants that have previously been infected with TMV. They didn't simulate TMV, but rather a different virus that requires TMV infection of a cell to spread. —JabberWokky

2006-03-31 14:09:07   Yeah, i got in trouble once for putting some tomato plants on the wrong bench (the TMV research bench) in a greenhouse once. —ArlenAbraham

2006-04-08 19:32:53   Yeah...umm.....I have the most lame page ever HELP!!!!! —VeronicaVillegas

2006-04-16 10:15:59   i noticed that you added thumbnails to the darsl soccer page. i've since updated the jpgs and added new ones but don't know how to create/update thumbnails. can you help? —JohnHyde

2006-04-16 10:24:59   nevermind. i think i figured it out! —JohnHyde

2006-04-16 21:52:05   and btw, thank you for making the darsl page so much better. —JohnHyde

2006-04-23 19:15:21   Again!ES

2006-04-24 18:16:27   What float were you on during the parade? That's pretty cool! —PhilipNeustrom

  • O&M:Utilities, the big white truck. I had the best seat in the parade. I got to see the tops of some buildings that I hadn't seen before.

2006-04-24 21:03:50   Nice parade photos, Jason. I'm assuming you found your camera? —ArlenAbraham

  • Thanks. Some kind soul gave me cause to believe in humanity just a little bit more by turning in my camera to the lost and found.

2006-04-26 20:00:44   hey thanks for putting all those links on my page thing, i couldn't figure out for the life of me how to do it. I'm pretty much technologically impaired beyond all reason...and i have a psych paper due tomorrow, of which i have 2 pages done. thanks again. —ArielSanJose

2006-04-29 10:27:59   Nice split on the Buzayan entry. I opened it to do that and felt a wave of sleepiness combined with an urge to run away. That needed to have been done. —JabberWokky

2006-05-03 10:02:43   The President was talking about dropping the issue of Halema and that people can say whatever they want in the enterprise or on the wiki but "we're done with the issue". —JamesSchwab

2006-05-08 20:12:38   I think it would definitely be better to keep all the answers, when we have them, on one page. —PhilipNeustrom

2006-05-28 19:47:45   Do you know about when this photo was taken? —PhilipNeustrom

1997:01:02 18:37:57 Already added date to Redrum Burger page. —JasonAller

2006-05-29 17:34:46   I saw your edit to FactCheck the other day and I noticed what you were trying to do. I saw what's wrong and I'll try and make it work the way you wanted it to (and the way it should work). —PhilipNeustrom

2006-05-31 20:51:18   Thanks for the help with the pictures on the page I was working on. I read up on how to edit them and am going to work on it some more. —ToddBartlow

2006-06-12 23:08:57   Wait... how did you do that? The Wiki was complaining about the link being borked when I had it like that before. I figured maybe something changed in the software upgrade. I don't see any difference between what you did and what I had, but it works again. Weird. —WilliamLewis

2006-06-12 23:10:59   Your Jack in the Box pic is pretty dark. —KarlMogel

  • If I had a nickel for every time I heard that... —RadioNinja

2006-06-18 19:28:41   thanks for taking the pic of the outside of our house, it was pretty funny to see a second sighting of our house running amuck around davis —MinhTran

2006-07-14 07:23:21   Jason "Sherlock Wiki" Aller :-) —CraigBrozinsky

2006-07-14 07:28:22   You are decidedly not the only one who has been pondering that. —JabberWokky

2006-07-14 07:38:32   It amuses me that people who vouch for casual use of Eminent Domain tend to be the same people who rant about how terrible the government is and what stupid things they do. I suppose they can't connect the one to the other and thus envision in their mind Eminent Domain only being used for the things they support. It certainly would never be used to take something they like or personally own. That wouldn't be fair, after all. It's only the people who own stuff they don't like or don't care about that don't deserve their rights. —JabberWokky

2006-07-15 13:57:06   Thanks Jason. I was trying to link the pirates thing to that page and couldn't remember where it was at. —RadioNinja

2006-07-19 00:23:38   The tty is that box below the normal pay phone part with the light in the upper right. —NickSchmalenberger

2006-08-04 02:07:58   wow, new here, thanks for the help with my page! —JoeRunnels

2006-08-06 15:44:50   jason, a non compete or whatever issues there might be are completly not your business. As far as your suggestions go, will take them into consideration. but like I mentioned before, I will not stop deleting that portion off the page. —MoonStar

My rhetorical question about the employment contract was intended to subtly illustrate one of the ways in which you could have avoided the issue. It may not be my business, but you opened the issue with your juxtaposition of the epithet backstabbers and your comment to Rob about understanding business. — If you review the edit history of the page I think that you will find that I've only added links and corrected spelling. My first comment to you on your page was an attempt to explain one of the possible reasons why you were seeing people repeatedly replacing the content on Urban Body that you were removing. Your relationship to the wiki doesn't have to be an adversarial one... you get to choose how, or if, you will participate here. I hope that you choose to participate in a positive manner and that the wiki works for you. — JasonAller

2006-08-14 15:53:57   Thanks for again fixing my intra-wiki links, Jason. I can't see what I'm doing wrong with those... —LenoreMyers

2006-08-14 15:56:31   Oh I see now (helpful edit tracking feature...). Thanks again. —LenoreMyers

2006-08-14 16:12:28   Thanks for again fixing my intra-wiki links, Jason. I can't see what I'm doing wrong with those... —LenoreMyers

2006-08-16 10:35:18   Tim Leary came to whole earth festival at least once....maybe more. Rob would probably know exactly how many times. This does not mean I am for re-creating the page, just that there is some connection. —JamesSchwab

2006-08-19 14:31:36   Thanks for "fixing" my page. Now, how could I miss that? —DavidGrundler

2006-08-20 18:36:07   excellent idea with the talk pages! —MorganFlores

2006-08-31 09:13:42   Auto-censoring? —JamesSchwab

  • I've seen several users who's edits appear to have been censored not by them, but buy software that they have installed that replaces certain words (even some innocuous ones) with spaces when they edit an entry. — JasonAller

2006-09-04 11:59:44   Can I use images if I correctly cite their sources? Particularly with regard to the simpson's image, which is only a fraction of the action copyright material. Based on Section 107 of the U.S. Copyright Act of 1976, the third provision would allow me to use fragments of the material if properly cited. —AndrewBianchi

  • see Copyrights for answers to your questions. The law you cite might apply more directly elsewhere, but the Creative Commons-By license used on the wiki makes things a little bit more complex. If you upload something here it isn't just for your use, you are certifying that you are able to release it for all use. — JasonAller
  • Ah, I thought you were referring on Philip's entry to your own site. What precisely are you trying to use, and where are you using it? Fair use (as you cited on Philip's entry) can't reassign copyright, so you can't use it to use something here, if that's what you're trying to do. If you're trying to use something from here elsewhere, it's much much easier. What are you thinking of using where? — jw
    • There was a picture of Brad Pitt and a screenshot from the Simpson on Sigma Chi. In addition to the images I really don't understand why the list of famous brothers who didn't attend UCD is on the wiki. I can totally understand putting it on their own webpage, but if those people aren't affiliated with this chapter they aren't really relevant for wiki purposes. The Sigma Chi wiki page points to their website. — JasonAller

2006-09-14 21:41:34   If for nothing else, I suppose Mountain Biking can be a repository for all links mountain-bike related. —KaiTing

2006-09-16 16:44:08   Hey Jason, I noticed on Allure Beauty Salon that it happened a few times. A couple of them were from the same IP address, just different dates/users. —ES

  • Yup. Just thought that I'd engage in a little educational outreach there. One of these days I've got to write a page for business owners on how to handle negative comments in a positive manner. — JasonAller

2006-09-28 16:19:13   On the Wilbur Wildland Fire Transport page, what does "service crews" mean? Does it mean they provide transportation to/from the fires? Do they do more than that? —AlphaDog

  • The text came over when I renamed the page, I'm not sure who wrote it. — JasonAller

2006-10-04 12:41:46   What about libel. Comments about how a place should be condemed is a bit misleading. Don't you think? —BradNorgart

  • It isn't libel; it is a strong opinion about the place that was signed by the person who put it there. Why not add content to the page? Let the rest of us know if the problems have been fixed, or tell us something good about the place. — JasonAller

2006-10-04 12:56:47   the most important component of libel is that the published material is untrue or misleading in a manner that defames the subject —BradNorgart

  • His statement was not one of fact, but one of opinion. If he had written that the place was condemed then it would have been a claim of fact, but he was writing opinion that he thought it should be condemed. I'm guessing that you've got an interest in the property. Why not improve the page to better reflect how you feel about the property. Go out and take a more flattering photo of the place, or list out more of the amenities. — JasonAller

2006-10-07 09:14:18   I'd rather not leave vandalism up. —WilliamLewis

2006-10-12 13:46:49   I noticed you've been taking lots of pics lately... if you happen to see a horse.... —AlphaDog

  • Hopefully I've been able to fill your request satisfactory. — JasonAller
  • Hey! I just saw the horse pic... thanks! It's absolutely stunning! ; -D —AlphaDog

2006-10-20 06:20:12   Their, their... at least I spelled it correctly. :) —JabberWokky

2006-10-27 04:48:32   Did Firefox just get inline spell checking? I thought all the browsers had it by now. —JabberWokky

2006-10-31 22:14:53   Many, many thanks for your nice help on the davis history sites, especially in fixing that image. I was wondering what I could ever do about it. —JohnLofland

2006-11-01 21:33:21   who can I pester to change my login name? I go by my last to pretty much everybody, and I want to use the humour of having the initials STD, or am I stuck? —StevenDaubert

In a previous comment he admitted it himself, unless he does not control the user account with his own name — MatthewShannon

Actually looking back at the comments made by the account it is apparent that someone else has access to the account (i'm guessing steve). However on the account someone claiming to be Kirk mentioned that they wanted the information private, which means that it is true.

2006-11-06 23:39:17   User EmlynStruthers either needs to be banned or have her password reset and given to the real person. She contacted me on facebook and the registration address on her profile is the same one in the UCD directory. —WilliamLewis

2006-11-13 22:39:15   Thanks for the corrections! I just made my page today. —JamesHaile

2006-11-24 19:21:34   It's alright. Steve managed to convince me to run under ACT this time. —JosephBleckman

2006-12-05 18:27:44   Mr. Neustrom has either not seen my request or has ignored it... What do you think is happening? —StevenDaubert

  • He has been working on the next big thing for the wiki. I'm not sure what the best answer to your original question is. It may be that the easiest solution is to create a new account with the name that you want and leave a redirect from your current account to the new one. I am in favor though, whenever possible, of people using their real names. — JasonAller
  • Right now you have to use a name that has that capitalization format, sorry. —PhilipNeustrom

2006-12-13 19:41:08   Unless you consider Pizza to be Chinese — Depends on what you put on the pizza, I would imagine. —JabberWokky

2006-12-20 22:45:09   oh drat —ArlenAbraham

2006-12-22 12:18:17   Jason "Takes no Wiki Crap" Aller. nice! —ES

2006-12-22 12:56:50   thanks for deleting my page bro —GregMediati

2007-01-07 23:34:35   Do you have any alphabet soup? It'd be really neato if you could spell out "UC DAVIS" in a bowl of soup or the letters "UCD" in a spoon or something. I'll try and remember to get some at the store next time I go. My soups have no alphabets : (. —ArlenAbraham

2007-01-09 13:20:34   It does need work. I'll get around to expanding it one of these days —JohnDudek

2007-01-14 15:36:57   You got it, and im bored at work Im going to move it down, I have a couple I wanna do. your photo shows the vanatage point of my photo. man I have no space no brackets or quotes and no apostrophy on this lame broken keyboard so irksome. —StevenDaubert

2007-01-14 15:47:43   I have been copying the brackets, but the apple key and the v kinda stick, its tedious at best and I got perturbed from doing it over and over. I will do it myself if I get to a non broken computer. Every space this wiki session has been pasted in... =( —StevenDaubert

"2007-01-19 22:32:30"   Hey, thanks for helping me out with linking the minutes. I appreciate it =)

2007-01-24 23:49:53   I agree, a camera, the best thing for wiking, afterall a picture 'is' worth a thousand words, and then you can add a caption for a few more. —DavidPoole

2007-01-25 01:38:28   Thanks for adding links to my site. Hopefully with time i'll become competent in the ways of the Wiki. —LeonardMarque

2007-01-25 07:24:16   I have a feeling more people would thank you for the links and help with their personal entries if they knew who it was and how to thank you. You're helping people so new I think they aren't quite sure what happened. —JabberWokky

2007-01-25 18:54:46   hey thanks for fixing all my links —WillJobe

2007-01-29 21:43:22   that was increadible that you put the FIRST Robotics info up so ahead, thanks, but you missed the first and third days. But don't worry I got them. but still thanks! So FAST!!! —DevinCastellucci

2007-02-03 14:37:47   Thanks for your help. I couldn't find a good spot to say thanks, so I wrote a love letter to the wiki. Just wanted to let you know. Thanks alot! —JoRo

2007-02-13 05:47:12   Thanks. I was very curious about how that edit would be taken. It's a different style of editing, something that I'm trying to hash out as a way to turn all the "debate" entries into readable, informative entries. I don't think there's a way to do it and really maintain attribution other than when the attribution is actually information pertinant to the subject at hand. "Identify points in headers, drag sections under the points, remove first person, consolidate redundant points". It's not all that far from converting the occasional first person business writeups that gets posted now and then. Of course, it's easier working with a content heavy original source from your and Arlen. —JabberWokky

2007-02-14 10:09:08   Thanks for making any necessary changes to my Sacramento Forums entry... I've added a Davis forum to the site based on your comments :) —EricKloss

2007-02-14 15:45:05   Could you verify that you can now edit the Preachers with Signs entry? Something odd happened, and I'm not 100% sure it's working right. —JabberWokky

2007-02-18 09:12:19   I think I've trimmed down the number of entries with zero Outgoing Links as much as can be done. If you can catch any left, goferit! —JabberWokky

2007-02-19 15:47:24   Thanks for the encouragement : ) —MaryLieth

"2007-02-21 19:56:10"   I used the following shell script. Note that I'm one of the few remaining promoters of the text-based lynx web browser. Also, I couldn't remember how to do a forward quotation mark on the wiki, so I've replaced those with "%" signs in the following code. Please use this code for good, and not evil.

#!/bin/csh -f

foreach user (JasonAller CraigBrozinsky)
    set i = 1
    # each page has 100 edits, and no one has more than 100 screens worth of edits
    while ( $i < 100 )
        lynx -width=160 -dump -nolist "$user?action=userinfo&offset=$i" >> $user.revert
        @ i = $i + 1
    #lines containing edits have the words "show" and the year 2004-6
    #print out username, total edits, total reverts, percentage of reverts
    echo $user `grep show $user.revert | grep 200 | wc -l` `grep Revert $user.revert | wc -l` | awk '{print $1, $2, $3, 100*$3/$2}'

2007-02-21 20:13:39   Yeah I was wondering what to do with the douchey steve, it seemed odd cause I recall that DWgome problems. I second your motion —StevenDaubert

2007-02-22 19:16:47   Yeah —StevenDaubert — And I was so stoked to help out =( Why didn't you make it with the pet template and intergrate the facts in the blurb into the template to make it look like other kitty pages?

2007-02-23 09:14:29   The bike history thing was part of this page. —WilliamLewis

2007-02-23 12:26:19   If you want to catch a village cab stopped, amble by J and 5th, and then walk 75 feet North. —StevenDaubert

2007-02-24 11:16:17   None of the comments were Davis-specific. By my thinking, this isn't the page to say "I love gays" or "I hate gays". Tho Wayne's comment might reflect the viewpoint of the "straight but not narrow", Dan's comment reflects the viewpoint of the "straight and narrow". So the comments are pretty much in the same boat. —KaiTing

2007-02-24 13:54:30   This is what I've heard. I'm so down to get addicted to editing again, if it means I'll have wiki!!! :) —SummerSong

2007-02-25 20:06:47   RE: Communications Affordability Committee— See SO's livejournal. Its got something to do with cheap cellphones/plans. —MaxMikalonis

2007-02-25 22:23:53   I have backed off. I'm not deleting his pages any more. And no, I don't think that's a little too far. I really think that's not far enough. —BrentLaabs

2007-02-25 22:34:38   Steve's attacked too many people close to brent and now, its just a personal vendetta. —MaxMikalonis

2007-03-04 07:24:16   Re: bike tour. Sounds fun, though I'm not entirely sure what you mean. I *think* you mean a joint tour with the two of us, say hitting a park a week-ish as a goal? I'd love that. —WesHardaker

2007-03-04 08:05:13   There has to be as many of those trailers in Davis as anywhere; I bet you're right that this city could nail such a record. Revolving it around a Farmers Market Saturday is a great idea too. —CarlMcCabe

2007-03-05 00:10:55   Awesomely witty remark on the Steve O. talk page. —DavidPoole

2007-03-08 18:44:13   So you went photographing today? Nice pictures, too bad I didn't catch you going around town. —DavidPoole

2007-03-12 02:15:20   Center for Animal Disease Modeling and Surveillance — I actually made an assumption that since you created it, it couldn't have been an orphan. ;P —JabberWokky

2007-03-12 16:17:16   Thanks for reformatting. I'm a dunce when it comes to the codes. :) —JeffSpeckles

2007-03-14 22:42:33   thanks man —RobertFosselman

2007-03-15 23:30:22   I notice when you have uploaded pictures of Signs or Memorials you have made them legible in the picture and I appreciate it. Thanks. —NickSchmalenberger

2007-03-16 09:42:08   Hi Jason. Thanks for the welcome and the links. —BrandonToo

2007-03-17 11:43:41   Thanks for the layout change on those pictures. —DavidGrundler

2007-03-19 21:23:17   By a rough calculation I just made, at your current rate, you'll pass Philip's edits in about 132 days - but he'll make it to 10,000 first. —KarlMogel

2007-03-21 18:49:22   Howdy, Jason. Great addition to the Pi Day entry. In the future, you can just add information like that directly to the entry — don't be worried about editing the entry itself. You can edit all the entries on the wiki just like everybody else! Welcome to the Wiki! ;) —JabberWokky

2007-03-22 20:53:00   Jason edits with skill, precision, and panache. Following the correct calculation, he is the current edit leader. —CarlMcCabe

2007-03-23 21:22:26   I think you took a picture of my class today. Was that you? —JessicaLuedtke

2007-03-24 07:42:26   Yep, that was Davis Aikikai practicing weapons. Feel free to post the picture there if it turned out reasonably :) —JessicaLuedtke

2007-03-26 18:31:09   It would be super helpful to my business ~ Checker Cab Comapny ~ if the comments were in reverse order...that is, new to old. (Just a thought) —RandyHursh

2007-03-30 08:47:23   Moved Open Space photo to The Greenbelt. I'm pretty sure that's where it belongs. Nice photo! —KaiTing

2007-03-30 08:59:23  

2007-03-31 22:24:34   can't do a park tomorrow (the 1st)... Helping someone move. Unless it's a pratical joke that he needs help... —WesHardaker

2007-04-02 19:56:08   thanks for the stand pic —JessicaRockwell

2007-04-03 17:02:11   hey, when you type in "students" "organizing" do you get the "students organizing for change" page? —JessicaRockwell

2007-04-03 18:50:19   lat/long ftw! —ArlenAbraham

2007-04-03 19:02:10   internet slang, for the win. Urban DictionaryArlenAbraham

2007-04-03 21:41:16   If I can't use the address macro, how do I get my editcount higher tonight??? —BrentLaabs

2007-04-04 00:15:13   8,000 edits! Congrats! We should buy you a new mouse - I'm sure the left button has long since worn out on your current one... How many clicks are they rated for anyway? —GrahamFreeman

  • Does this mean I can upgrade from my 2400 baud modem and my WYSE-50 terminal dialing into DCN and running lynx? Just kidding, although I'm using a trackpad and not a mouse... I think I've got a few clicks left. —JasonAller

Will do in the future, I had set tustin as my main wiki, which means that most of the edits to it are comments to me from there, which is kinda annoying as nobody has set their default wiki (so links never work). I will try to include a link when commenting in the future. —DavidPoole

2007-04-09 22:31:25   With quick edits going, you just may be able to catch up to the legendary jabberwok, hell are you going after philip next too? —DavidPoole

2007-04-11 17:13:05   1000 pages created! Sweet lord! —DavidGrundler

2007-04-11 18:00:15  


2007-04-11 21:14:15   thanks for what you did to the ["Tucos Wine Market and Cafe/Menu" Tucos menu] page! —ElleWeber

2007-04-13 18:37:11   yeah, i think seed is better than stub. —ArlenAbraham

2007-04-13 20:59:33   dang. you're on a mission! —JessicaRockwell

2007-04-14 14:49:24   Wouldn't it be easier to get someone with DB access to change all those pages instead of you needing to do it by hand? (or is the edit count a motivation ;-) —WesHardaker

  • I figured that I wouldn't bother Philip with it as I'm also applying the Address macro and doing minor touch up at the same time. —JasonAller

2007-04-15 03:12:08   I see you were busy converting the stub to the seed. why not just change the stub page? that would have been simpler right? oh but then your edit count.. —DavidPoole

  • I did try modifying and using redirect, but the Include macro didn't handle a redirected page. —JasonAller

2007-04-15 19:01:17   you guess correctly. when we going to get together and take pics for wiki pages? —JessicaRockwell

2007-04-15 20:14:07   Thanks for fixing all those templates— i thought I was gonna have an aneurism when stuff didn't seem to be working. Also, I don't really understand what the [address()] thing is about (from your last post on my scwiki wall). What's the deal? —MaryLieth

2007-04-16 20:29:08   Wow, I never even realized that was a feature! Thanks for the info. —MaryLieth

2007-04-21 07:04:52   forawhile removed per request. However, it wasn't moved and it certainly isn't labled because it's still unsolved. —WesHardaker

2007-04-21 14:41:21   Yup, a bug :) —PhilipNeustrom

2007-04-23 15:54:26   Hi Jason- About the Dixon Downs turnout, I meant it in percentages, not absolute votes. Sorry for the mixup! —AliPezeshkpour

2007-04-26 00:58:00   Thanks for getting my back when I fail at basic grammar. (I'm serious) —StevenDaubert

2007-04-27 06:24:17   I would like to note, the visitor map page was added as a proof of concept for something involving the bear valley wiki. It is perhaps one of the more useless things to include on a community wiki, understandably, but eh. —DavidPoole

2007-04-28 22:20:01   The wiki could sure use some pictures of standing wave... —StevenDaubert

  • What or where is standing wave? Which page would it go on? —JasonAller

2007-05-01 18:11:04   Looks like Norbie to me. —BrentLaabs

2007-05-06 13:25:04   ni hao jason. go mab seum nee da (ku mab seum ni ta) for adding the event and article on the SOC page. hasta luego. —JessicaRockwell

2007-05-08 03:04:42   I'm from Gallifrey all of a sudden! Any pressing reason to remove the Sneeze links? I figure there's a line of thought there that I'm just missing (since I've done plenty of similar links, and this was the only one reversed). —JabberWokky

2007-05-19 23:10:43   ... a redirect to a blank page.... Pena does have DPD, sterling, and maybe the new explorit... —StevenDaubert

2007-05-25 23:43:36   Nope, sorry, only someone with their head up their posterior would waltz into someone else's business and start taking pictures without asking first... THAT's civility. I concede my tone was caustic, though. Next time I'll count to ten before posting, like my momma always taught. —BillyBudd

  • One opportunity that the wiki affords is the ability to go back and tone down your comments. The other day I witnessed the end of a confrontation. I didn't see what caused the pedestrian to get so angry with the driver of the car... I only noticed the incident as it was in progress. The pedestrian may have been totally in the right, but his actions, his words and how he comported himself at that moment was all that I saw. His reaction to whatever had happened was so foul and socially inappropriate that I left feeling sorry for the driver of the car; who for all I know was in the wrong. —JasonAller

2007-05-29 20:23:59   who the hell are you? and why are you writing bs about my life? steve —SteveVanoni

What are you referring to? Being polite can go a long way around here. —PhilipNeustrom

  • Steve is from Users/SteveVanoni and I had tried to show him how he could figure out who had written what on his public page. It would seem that he didn't understand how to look at the page history and thinks that I had something to do with the offending edit. —JasonAller

2007-05-29 21:16:53   my apologies Jason.... thanks for directing me to the pamf's steve —SteveVanoni

2007-06-06 19:34:51   Born to be wild —brianbarbera

2007-06-07 08:56:43   Thanks for the flag logo - and thanks for adding Madison to the directory and such. Check out the prototype banner I made! —KarlMogel

2007-06-14 21:14:46   Thanks for deleting those pages. I completely agree. —ElleWeber

2007-06-28 18:22:40   hi jason - i recently created a new account called "Integrity Bodyworks (Massage Therapy)" to replace my old "Integrity Bodyworks" page so that people would be able to find me more easily when searching the wiki, but you changed the name back to the original. Thanks for checking the business name and being meticulous to detail, but the new name "Integrity Bodyworks (Massage Therapy)" is now an approved DBA with the city. I would be happy to email you a copy of the paperwork, and it should soon be on public record. My email can be found through the link on my wiki page or you may already have it. To save me the trouble of deleting my entire account and creating a new name, would you mind changing my account name to "Integrity Bodyworks (Massage Therapy)"? Thanks, and keep up the good work! -M. (you can delete this comment if you want to) —IntegrityBodyworks

  • Philip may be able to change account names, but I can't. You might want to consider the Importance of using your RealName instead and just create an account under your name rather than your business name.

2007-07-01 14:13:21   there is a tilt in sac? I thought it was just in CFM in the Woods —StevenDaubert

2007-07-04 14:29:38   Thanks for hitting the wiki with the Red Pen of Doom (pronounced, "DOOOOOOOOOOM!"). After seeing all the links that pointed to the incorrect spelling of "restaurant" I just sighed and thought, "lazy holiday today, easier to do a redirect" —KevinChin

2007-07-04 18:54:27   nice image on the reviews —StevenDaubert

2007-07-07 21:06:10   hahaha. nice pic. —JessicaRockwell

2007-07-09 19:41:21   It just didn't seem necessary to try to link them to anywhere, but I assure you I love hot tubs more than the average person. —ElisaHough

2007-07-12 13:42:13   =/ random note I had you pegged as a college student who looked rather Phillip ish >_< I think it was glancing at the reflected picture. —StevenDaubert

2007-07-16 02:15:28   I think Steve hates the ideas of emails being made public, since his blackmail-ish one was made public and got him fired from one of his ASUCD positions. —EdWins

2007-07-16 17:56:36   I didnt see Megan edit anyone elses comment..she just moved hers to be on top of the other guys. —EdWins

  • Yup, I missed the sequence of her edits. Thanks for cleaning it up. —JasonAller

2007-07-16 21:27:45   Why should we include stuff in the main namespace that only matters to the user and a few of their close friends and is absolutely meaningless to everyone else? It's vanity cruft and it doesn't belong here at all. —WilliamLewis

2007-07-19 19:53:06   Hi Jason. I think I have you to thank for enabling me to get all that useful stuff back on my front page! Any advice on the possibility of changing my username to a complete name like everybody else? —Steinborn

2007-07-21 17:27:39   Thanks, Jason, for your encouragement to begin a Corvallis Wiki. I'll see what I can do. In the meantime, I'm trying to upload a family photo to the top of my Davis Wiki page but can't seem to get it there. I think it's saved, but I can't get it to move into place. I labelled it: DW1.JPG. —RichLindvall

2007-07-21 17:49:49   Thanks for your work on the photo, Jason! You're terrific! —RichLindvall

In response to your comment: 2007-07-21 22:20:01   When deleting a page like ["Legal Help"] and consolidating it with ["Goods and Services"] consider how large Sacramento is. After a while the ["Goods and Services"] page is going to be huge. The ability to break large topics down into smaller pages will come in handy. There are many ways to organize wiki information and there is no single correct way, but there are some general lessons that can be applied. It is all applied information theory. Thanks for all your good work. —JasonAller

2007-07-22 08:22:00   Jason, I did take into consideration that many of the subsets will grow and the page will become quite large. However, I think that it may be better to keep the subsets consolidated into the primary list until they get more than a few entries (5-10). But I do see the problem you are talking about, and it leaves me wondering what will happen to the restaurants page as it expands more and more. —steadyfrank

2007-07-22 08:28:01   There already is a wikispot wiki for San Diego, so you may want to edit your comment appropriately :) —JessicaLuedtke

2007-07-23 15:25:02   Thanks, Jason. I'll try to get it set up like that. —flex87

2007-07-27 01:48:58   hello jason, please consider contibuting to my project: thanks! lamar —LamarHeystek

2007-07-28 18:47:30   I think you were the one that updated all my links, in that case, thank you :) —WeMo

2007-07-28 20:03:37   someone already done fixed it —WillJobe

2007-08-02 01:23:45   where did you get the website for Cafe Italia? The link you posted doesn't seem to work. —CraigBrozinsky

2007-08-02 23:57:32   Jason, thanks for all of your contributions to the Davis Wiki and Wiki Spot. You're one of the best editors around. —Graham.Freeman

2007-08-06 20:20:39   Hi Jason, thanks for adding those helpful pages. I'm new to this, so I'm still learning how to do everything. —Damien

2007-08-10 01:35:05   i think everyone else is way more passionate about a vacaville wiki than i am —MichelleAccurso

2007-08-16 16:01:32   In regards to SS, its not like I have documents or photos to prove anything, just word of mouth from a known member. Plus I dont feel like being in a revert war. I always feel so ridiculous afterwards :) —JamesSchwab

2007-08-26 09:46:32   Thanks, Jason, that's amazing how fast you offered help! I should have been using "preview" instead of making all those changes over and over and over. Sorry about that, but I got it squared away. I didn't want my photo to be GIGANTIC, so I resized. Thanks again! —ElisaWeller

2007-08-28 18:54:10   I think Brent meant that Unitrans is free on spare the air days for everyone. That's how it is with all the bay area transport systems, at least. —PhilipNeustrom

Thanks, didn't know that. —JasonAller

2007-08-28 22:03:39   >_> I didn't expect that page to last, I just wanted to share... —StevenDaubert

2007-09-02 00:28:32   Hello~I'm new to the Alvarado Sunset Appartment~I was wondering if the wireless internet is really slow?? here's my eamil~  hope to hear from you soon~ thank you! —SingingJenq

2007-09-03 02:44:08   Hi I noticed explanation in italian: U got a multilingual service ? Or is it only italian ? Couldn't figure it out ? Also, would you be interested in translations ? Best p —philacour

2007-09-05 23:27:49   It's OK, the questions are never really gone from the wiki. —KarlMogel

2007-09-06 00:07:33   lolEdWins

  • That is a pretty close rendition of the one that I was thinking of. —JasonAller

2007-09-06 08:10:23   Yeah i am working on the parks pages its a slow process for what i have in stored. —Courtney

2007-09-06 18:34:19   Ah, wasn't sure if it was standardized or not, but I remembered seeing it (I believe for the Prague pages) and figured it made the most sense. It's hard to define a cutoff date, and a lump sum seems messy, and I think 'by year' is easiest for now. It's not a great long term solution - by 2020, it will be mighty annoying. Maybe those future editors will then redo it by decade or something, hehe. —EdWins

2007-09-09 12:04:24   Thanks for the edit :) —AlisonKeenan

2007-09-13 17:49:32   thanks jason —JessicaRockwell

2007-09-14 13:03:44   =/ I think I'm starting to get an idea of what SteveO is up to with Sac Wiki. —StevenDaubert

2007-09-20 11:06:24   Moved your presentations from gnome to wikispot because I think they're better suited to the hub — they aren't "gnome" but moreso just of general wiki interest. I'd love it if over time the hub built up a large amount of interesting wiki-related material. —PhilipNeustrom

2007-09-21 13:28:14   Cheers on your Redding wiki decision. Poor Redding. In a blog he was saying two people contacted him about being unbanned. "Since I have un-banned them I have banned two more to take their place so I am not bowing to any type of pressure." Unfortunate for me that I had commented once and then removed myselffrom the banlist. Ironically, I got banned a day after that. I just can't understand your refusal to work within that type of system. —EdWins

2007-09-22 19:59:45   I found that Halo picture on Wikipedia, which as I'm sure you know is very strict about whether images are fair-use or not, so I'm sure it's good. It's only a screenshot of the box cover anyways, not a licensed image. —AndrewHarrison

2007-09-22 23:22:46   HEy where do you find out where an IP address is from? Is there a website or directory? —JamesSchwab

  • There are some sites that say they offer the service, but they are not very accurate at this point. We've had some users at Davis Wiki who treated the results of those sites like they were absolute truth and ended up looking like fools. If it is a campus IP or an IP from a local ISP you might have better luck. —JasonAller

2007-09-23 12:47:18   Thanks for the links! —MarkOtero

2007-09-23 13:15:03   ? scroll down to the last comment on that page.—JessicaRockwell

2007-09-23 14:17:34   can i change my username to my real name or do i have to sign up a new one? i understand your point..thanks —DaDaDaDavis

2007-09-23 14:33:10   i googled it. and when you click the arrow link at the end of that comment, it takes you to a wiki page! strangeness... —JessicaRockwell

2007-09-27 11:22:15   Thanks for the support, I want to keep WestSac friendly to everyone. —MasumiWatanabe

2007-10-07 17:19:01   What is your problem? The description is the exact duplicate as the facebook. Please take the label off. Screen name is spaceacerp on AIM. —majorpayne

2007-10-07 17:21:35   thx JA... I liked it too. —jefftolentino

2007-10-07 17:48:51   I agree with the dubious edit fact checking. RonPayne wasn't involved in DavisWiki even when HE was running for ASUCDsenate. It shouldn't come as a surprise that he's more active only when SteveO is banned - much less that the facebook group links provided for the pages were groups created by SteveO. —EdWins

2007-10-13 13:13:21   can you do something about how searching "yolo bus" doesn't give you the "yolobus" page? —JessicaRockwell

  • It does show up as the fourth page of content. Are you trying to get it to show up in the list of page names? —JasonAller
    • yeah.

2007-10-13 16:16:36   Hey Jason, good point, come and join us dancing next Thursday. —DavidPoole

2007-10-14 15:40:24   On the CoHo page I added the prices that I found on the website in September 2007. I haven not been in the CoHo recently to see if there website matches actual prices. However, prices will most likely go up again in January with the wage increase. Did you noticed a discrepancy between the wiki page and the actual prices? —JamesSchwab

2007-10-20 19:12:59   donna and diane form the art science fusion program are gonna be on my show this coming friday. i'll mention the daviswiki page on the tree of life mural. awesome pic!! —JessicaRockwell

2007-10-20 19:32:14   Thanks for your help with everything :) —Yell

2007-10-26 12:52:28   thanks for the welcome message —kelvinkay

2007-10-26 20:56:43   I just noticed that the photo on the L Street Furniture wiki page has been changed. Did you do that? I wanted to let you know that the photo you uploaded showing the recently painted green building (421 L Street) is no longer part of what is listed as the L Street Furniture store. The building and its contents were purchased a few months ago by someone else and who is running it as a separate business — I don't know what he's calling it, something similar like "L Street Revisited." The original L Street Furniture is now just in the big building to the north, 423-25 L Street. (The original owner used to sell out of both those buildings). Of course there is no signage distinguishing either of these establishments. —Bean

2007-10-27 00:43:02   Jason Aller, your page is the only one in my bookmarked wiki pages to constantly make my bookmarks tabs go bold. —MichelleAccurso

2007-10-30 18:04:10   Thanks for filling the photo requests on not one but both of the pages that I set up (Swirl and Ohana)! :) —ScarlettYing

2007-10-30 18:36:14   Why? The link makes the comments point. —EdWins

  • Yeah, feel free to remake the edit. I just didn't feel strongly enough about it to worry about having it kept. It certainly didn't need to be kept in my name. As far as I'm concerned there are probably more people editing about the group here on the wiki than will ever belong to the group... so it just isn't that important. I'd rather be focused on making productive edits that improve the wiki. —JasonAller
    • I was mistaken to the link issue. I had thought the link was in the original comment, hence why I was against having it removed. I didn't realize (until now, checking) who put that link in later. But it's giving me quite a big laugh :) -ES

2007-11-04 17:17:41   the times on the events board have been changed to an hour earlier than originally posted. —JessicaRockwell

2007-11-05 21:37:27   What graffiti? —EdWins

  • There was a bunch of graffiti on campus this morning that must have been left last night. Those that left it really vandalized a lot of buildings. —JasonAller
    • Boo :( Luckily, I didn't notice any by Briggs/SciLab/West Parking when I was on campus earlier. Random vandalism? -ES

2007-11-06 07:20:58   Thanks, Jason, for the article! Yes, that would work nicely into the new wiki on abuse! Sad, but true, that many churches become more like clubs or businesses as time goes by. Thanks for all you do on the wiki-spots! —RichLindvall

2007-11-07 11:27:15   Jason, Thanks for the comment about using a real name! I set up an account using my name and then lost the password. I couldn't get wiki to send it to me (despite the e-mail saying it had), so I set up a new account. Because I am working as staff and the UUCD, and my e-mail and name are listed on the page, I figured anyone who wanted to contact me could do so. This way, whenever anyone in the office wants to adjust the page, they can. I am new to the whole wiki thing (as you can see!) and am thankful for you welcome and tips you can offer. Thank you! - Mandy Dawn, (aka UUCDstaff) office@uusofdavis.orgUUCDstaff

2007-11-10 11:10:29   I don't think so. Slander? I think you mean libel, even though that doesn't apply. You can thank the original author for the way the entry reads; I mostly just substituted adjectives that provide a more accurate description of the restaurant. As for the diversity of opinion and rapid reversal, the sentiments expressed in my edits better reflect what the commenters are saying. And I’m not affiliated with any other restaurant; I just happen to eat food and form opinions. —Chata

  • I didn't mention either slander or libel in my comment to you. The revert by Charles that followed my comment to you referenced slander. The change of adjectives did cause the sentences that previously read well to be awkward in that the otherwise positive tone of the paragraph was interrupted by negative adjectives. You could have worked the negative in better by doing more of a rewrite to the paragraph. —JasonAller

2007-11-18 14:03:02   Thank you for taking a look at my wiki! I've yet to solicit foundation-laying contributions from my classmates, as I wanted to first get my professor's okay on the "open-source notes" idea. My tentative plan was to hand administratorship over to him or a teaching fellow once this term was over, so that they could prune any content they wished to keep from future classes. They keep us pretty terrified of the repercussions of academic dishonesty here at Harvard, though, so I don't think that abuse of the wiki would be a problem if students were made aware that our professor was keeping an eye on our discourse.

Again, thanks for casting a thoughtful eye at my wiki attempt! What a nice surprise to get some feedback just hours after I got this thing up! —TressaJayne

2007-11-20 14:41:10   Thanks for the info. We're just getting started with this. Fox Cities Online is a community network website in Appleton, WI, and this Wiki may be just the thing to help us finally realize all of the functionality we have hoped for since 1994! —bkelly

2007-11-22 08:41:12   I said that Turkey photo was great. Good to see the Wiki being used as a resource for resources. —JabberWokky

2007-11-23 21:17:57   Jason,

Information on my page that reflects upon my name is subject to my revision. If people that edited my page did not slander my name, I wouldn't have a problem with this. —EricFriedman

  • Then create the talk page for that page ["EricFriedman/talk"] and state your case for what needs to be corrected there. Another editor will come along and make the changes that you request. —JasonAller

2007-11-24 18:31:51   So, we're not allowed to criticize elected officials in a non-libelous way in a comment? Maybe you should detail where that line is, so we can have our fascist wiki together. —BrentLaabs

  • It has nothing to do with fascism, but rather my request was that you consider your actions in light of having some class. Mainly I was referring to ["ASUCD Superlatives"] and your edit that took it from objective and quantifiable to subjective. —JasonAller

2007-11-25 11:57:35   intolerant???? What makes you say that I'm intolerant? I'm upset because my character is being defamed (I read the wikipedia entry, thanks for the correction) for no fucking reason whatsoever other that the fact that I lead the opposition party! Politics really brings out a person's true colors. You can't attack their job performance, so you attack their character. —EricFriedman

  • How is it being defamed on that page? Lets work to correct that rather than deleting and restoring the page as a whole. I am a little put off by the last sentence in your comment as I don't feel that I've attacked your character. —JasonAller

2007-12-08 14:33:52   Thanks for the tinylogo @ sf! Seems like it'll work great for now. —PhilipNeustrom

2007-12-09 20:09:00   Thanks for the tips/help Jason. I'll have to finally start working on the wiki I started. By the way, do you know how to change usernames... I guess I should have included my last name. Thanks again. —Danny

2007-12-15 03:24:10   Assuming should be a sin. —Kafani

  • Remember, when you are assuming, you make an ass out of u and Ming. Wait... —JabberWokky

2007-12-15 13:17:42   The places where 1 col is better than 2 col are the exceptions, not the rule. 2 col should be default, unless we are dealing with something that really does need one col. Having two templates will just confuse the wikin00bs. —WilliamLewis

2007-12-16 21:34:20   Did you (JasonAller) create the page for me?? Are you part of the wiki team? I once screwed up and deleted a page on wiki, and i asked for help, and someone put it back up right away. since then i have been wondering who is doing all that maintenance work... —ChingChing —ChingChing

2007-12-19 20:34:34   Olywiki's resident gnome. =) —MicahEllison

2007-12-22 14:30:30   thanks for helping me get my wiki together. —reddragonhunter9

2007-12-23 14:21:04   thanks for the wiki logo idea, I was thinking that a honeycomb piece might be better. I'll think about it! —KarlMogel

2007-12-28 10:46:30   Cool, thanks. I'll have to rotate it, though, honeycombs have vertical lines, but not horizontal lines. JabberWokky has one he's digging up, too. Maybe we could make it an animated GIF of many cool bee icons! Hehe. I have limited 'net access right now, I won't be able to work on the wikis until I get back to Madison in January. —KarlMogel

2007-12-30 18:52:17   That's a great tiny logo with the note/cross. I just can't figure out how to upload it. If you could help me I'd appreciate it! —RichLindvall

2007-12-30 21:27:58   I started trying to create different templates for band, solo artist, etc. but couldn't quite figure it out. Sigh... —RichLindvall

2007-12-30 21:53:28   Hey, Jason Aller! Wow you all over it. Yes, I do want my page on Davis wiki, but I can't seem to figure it out. I'm normally not so helpless, but I keep getting back to wikispot, instead. —CurlyGirl26

2007-12-30 22:11:28   Wow! Thanks for the quick response! —CurlyGirl26

2008-01-02 11:28:21   Hi, Jason. I'm totally baffled how to get the tinylogo from the wiki/settings/images/talk page to the wiki/settings/images page. Sigh... (Christian Music Central Wiki) —RichLindvall

2008-01-02 17:36:31   Thanks!!!! —RichLindvall

2008-01-06 13:48:53   Have the prices that you have gotten at the bargain barn been in line with what the items should actually have been selling for? —IDoNotExist

  • I've had good luck shopping there over the years. Don't focus too much on the asking price, just submit a bid for what you are willing to pay for the item. —JasonAller

2008-01-09 19:52:57   Main street market is there. But I think it is of interest to people in Davis - those that read DavisWiki. It has certainly gotten me to go out there a few times. Places of interest to the locals of Davis are often here on the daviswiki for instance, Java California or the Chuy's Taqueria in Winters. —ChristopherMckenzie

  • Maybe just an interwiki link from the Davis version of the page to the Woodland version would help. —JasonAller

2008-01-13 17:54:35   See my reply on my page. —SteveDavison

2008-01-16 05:16:32   —EdHenn

2008-01-27 01:14:31   Hi! Sorry, I was away from the IRC for a min —MichelleAccurso

2008-01-27 22:04:58   Anyway to make the navigation thing skinnier? —JamesSchwab

2008-01-31 18:14:42   thanks for the links!! keep it real —boristheblade

2008-02-02 15:30:30   I wanted to know the destination of the tracks. Thanks for the welcome, and I can't agree more with "Davis is a good place to live if you don't take it too seriously." —MikeTahani

2008-02-15 20:39:38   can i do that? i know for the other commissions when people come and go they are just replaced, but id sure be up for just keeping lists of people who used to be on a commission/groupo. —StevenLee

2008-02-18 19:18:19   Is that tractor feed paper yours? —PhilipNeustrom

  • Yes, and the answer that that FORTRAN program computed was 292. —JasonAller

2008-02-18 22:15:47   What happened between 4/3 and 4/4/07 on here to cause the # of pages jump so dramatically? —MaxMikalonis

  • There was a software upgrade and as part of it pages for people were renamed to start with ["Users/..."] and the previous pages were turned into redirects. —JasonAller

2008-02-27 16:37:50   Thank you for your help :) —LindsayHartman

2008-03-01 09:23:12   In "Great Speeches and Interviews", the links to (to hear the speeches and interview) have all been broadcast on Access Sacramento and many of the speeches and interview have been conducted in Sacramento. I hope this will help in restoring the edits I made on 2/29/08.

What exactly is the relationship between SacWiki and WikiSpot? Why does someone just delete a page without explaining the problem first? —sgl

2008-03-01 18:15:55   yeah..this is my first time do i make that change? (architects -vs- architect (as now shown)?? (sorry...i'm really new to this) LOL —michaelG

2008-03-01 18:23:08   oops..nevermind..i see it.the button clearly marked "rename".. lol sorry...i'm new to this. Thank you for pointing that out! :) -G —michaelG

2008-03-05 05:41:56   Hi Mr. Aller, yes, I am just-born, brand new to wikis and would appreciate help. Were you the one who put the comment box on my site? I haven't done a template yet so I realize you didn't know how to contact me. I am aware that I am on wikispot, I called it JamestownRI because there are other Jamestowns out there so I needed to pinpoint it geographically. Davis does the same. Can I contact you for help? Today I am breaking up my 6th grades to do research on the town, assign jobs for them, go over how to gather information, etc. In the meanwhile I intend to practice and get better at manipulating the wiki so that when the kids are ready to start I'm ready too. I'm going to send the identical message to Philip Neustrom as he also has visited the site. This is so exciting! It will be a wonderful project that I think will take off in a few months and morph into a real community asset. Thanks for visiting and my email is Please email me! Thanks, Lisa Casey —Librarian

2008-03-06 17:41:35   Hey Jason thanks for your help with that archive. I just wanted to let you know I changed one thing after you. It is actullay the same management company but I took over as manager here December 2007. I just wanted to reach out and let you know if you have any questions feel free to email me directly and I will take care of it. Thanks again! —hatherley

2008-03-13 14:12:40   thanks for fixing my revert on the jusco page. at first i though they had just deleted the cons, but then realized my mistake. thought i changed it back, but apparently not? ;) —JennSuzuki

2008-03-15 14:33:36   Oh, do they not use the talk page here? —tobyk

2008-03-24 18:29:00   Thanks Jason, I made the changes you suggested. —VladLoscutoff

2008-03-24 18:41:53   WRT tables with linebreaks: Virginia Living Museum would look better if I could remove the bigger breaks in the table for the hours section —tobyk

2008-03-25 04:04:17   Thanks to Help with Macros, I'm using the talk page for my comments but making it seem like I'm not. Good stuff. (Also, I bought an ad on facebook for my wiki for the cities therein, and while I don't like that I'm going to pay people to look at a pretty empty wiki, hopefully I've kept my front page kind enough to get them to stay a while, and listen.) —tobyk

2008-03-29 14:46:34   Thank you - just something i rustled up with Illustrator! As it happens I do wnat to get rid of the background image, but will deleting the file result in a black background?

Thanks for the tip regarding the map. I really havent got that far yet, but I have decided to go with wikispot, because although it does have a complex WYSIWYG, it seems to have fairly good documentation and works. Many of the WYSIWYGs seem to be frustratingly unreliable.

Anyways, my intention is to plant a seed.

Cheers Brendan —tattrat


2008-03-29 15:07:50   Hi, I am not sure where I will find the file you uploaded; I am new to wikispot so a bit disoriented! I am not sure what the photorequest pages and the Seed pages are, although I can imagine what they are, perhaps you could explain. Cheers, Brendan —tattrat

2008-03-29 16:00:36   I am not sure what photorequest pages and the Seed pages are. Perhaps you could explain. I am pleased to see that you have set up some station pages. In the meantime I have created a template for rolling stock pages; Now I want to work out how to include a Wikipedia style summary box, right alligned. I plan to then create a similar tempalate for stations and lines. ONce all the bones are there I will let others (who are far more expert than me) loose on the site to fill in the detail. I think format and completeness is everything on these type of sites. heers,

Brendan —tattrat

2008-03-29 18:35:55   Yes I think I have seen both of those at some point in the past. Well done you for creating the alphabetical list of stations. Did you do that from a list you already had? If not not then you are a fast worker!

Do you know if there is a way to include some thing like the wikipedia infobox? It is great feature of wikipedia.

I still havent done a station template, but will shortly. Then perhaps you can take a look at it and comment?


Brendan —tattrat


no seriously, thanks! I think I forgot to sign that time >_< —StevenDaubert

2008-04-02 19:59:49   Uhh. Haven't you realized some people have more unique names than you? And you need to check IPs on the names man; who the hell is moomoo. You should stop getting too paranoid about other people's opinion and just nurture your little bubble so you can accept other people's ideas too. —Aarolye

2008-04-03 19:40:50   Your image and Philip's image were left altered. I left mine altered for awhile and then moved it down. The sockpuppet photos were silly enough that I just left them up to you two as to if you wanted to change them. —JabberWokky

2008-04-05 13:43:17   Prostitutes? :P —PhilipNeustrom

  • Professional sex workers? Ok, they aren't covered by HIPAA. It was more of a joke. —JasonAller

2008-04-06 17:12:24   Yes, but I'm not sure how to make it collaborative for everyone, and I don't want to manage lots of requests to edit it. Do you know of a way that I can let anyone edit it? —IDoNotExist

2008-04-06 17:14:02   If I upload the file, can you host it on a google account somewhere? I don't have the time to do this all myself right now... —IDoNotExist

2008-04-06 17:34:25   You can import it straight into Excel and save it as an Excel file. I'd prefer not to upload the excel file because it adds metadata to the file when I save it that I don't wish to make public on the wiki at the moment. —IDoNotExist

2008-04-06 17:34:44   Is there a way to link to a non-image file? —IDoNotExist

2008-04-06 17:39:49   I tried CSV, but it wipes out the hyperlinks in the apartment names. :( —IDoNotExist

2008-04-06 17:43:02   Looks like Google maps will allow me to invite other people to edit the map. If you give me an address for a gmail account, I will add you to the list. —IDoNotExist

2008-04-06 17:48:49   I have uploaded the kml file used to generate the google map —IDoNotExist

2008-04-06 18:18:24   I've uploaded the data in many different formats. Found a way to clear out the metadata. You can now grab it in Excel, powerpoint, and PDF. —IDoNotExist

2008-04-13 19:44:05   I added you as an admin on the hub so you can ban folks like that :) —PhilipNeustrom

2008-04-17 23:20:51   It's nice that you are adding map coordinates to addresses. However, don't you think that 14-15 digits of precision is overkill? I haven't worked it out exactly, however I estimate that resolution to be around a micron. That's a thousandth the width of a grain of sand in the stucco in the side of the building, perhaps a millionth the resolution of most GPS receivers, why even continental drift is 5-10cm/year. I expect your numbers could be independently confirmed... —SteveDavison

  • Good point. I'll try to limit future instances to 7 decimal places. —JasonAller

2008-04-20 04:29:16   I thought the same thing about Christopher Cabaldon, but brandonhkey commented on my page that the page was relevant to Davis because Cabaldon is running for the Assembly district. That made sense to me, so to make it more clear I moved the paragraph mentioning that to the beginning of the page. —NickSchmalenberger

2008-04-21 17:07:10   Thanks for the advice, I'll be sure to implement it when I get the chance. :) —tvadave

2008-04-22 18:16:22   In response to your comment when you edited the "Christopher Cabaldon" page, where you said "Why is this page on Davis Wiki and not a redirect to the page on West Sac Wiki?", Christopher is running for the 8th assembly district, which covers Davis, so all the info on him is relevant to Davis voters since he might potentially be our next assemblyman. There is also a West Sac wiki page on him. —brandonhkey

2008-04-26 17:24:21   1) you need a comment archive, and 2) amirite on my mystery guess? —StevenDaubert

  • 1) Nah, I kind of like the comments where they are, even the negative ones. 2) Yes, your guess was a correct one. —JasonAller

2008-04-30 22:02:51   I knew there was something like that because I think I've used it before... I just couldn't remember what or where it was. Thanks. —JeremyOgul

2008-05-01 17:22:38   Hi Jason... on the A+Imaging...i'm sorry its actually A+ Image...can we please change that..thanks so much —kariazevedo

2008-05-07 19:02:20   Jason- Thank you very much for the care and attention you displayed today. I appreciate your concern! —Scooter5

2008-05-10 15:36:21   Congrats, Jason! We appreciate all that you do! —CurlyGirl26

2008-05-12 14:19:14   Hi Jason, you helped archive some comments on the University Village page back in March. I came across a comment left 5/12/08, I think it belongs in the University Village/Archives since he was commenting on something that happened 3 or 4 years ago. Thanks for your help. —hatherley

2008-05-15 05:45:47   Hi. Regarding the conoroneills wiki: Yes, I believe it's in keeping with the guidelines. I created the group so that the restaurant staff could share knowledge about our jobs (useful in training new staff). If you think I'm out of line, let me know. —bengott

2008-05-18 11:37:13   Point taken, but the paragraph was written as if speaking for all WEF participants. —BillyBudd

2008-05-19 05:22:55   HeheheJabberWokky

2008-05-26 15:25:01   Thanks for helping to get us started over at Roundhay :) —PeterHogg

2008-05-28 18:32:53   Thanks for your welcome Jab! I think history is important, but some of the things I've seen posted about people/groups/restaurants etc on the wiki concerns me. Since most entries are #1 in Google, I think a lot of the stuff that's posted on here, especially if it's more than a year old, could really hurt someone (like with a job interview etc.) But maybe I'm missing somehting? —PS2

  • There are better ways of repairing a "Google Reputation" than coming here and making changes. Mainly because this is a wiki anyone can edit. I really invite you to join in the discussions in Wiki Community. —JasonAller

2008-05-28 18:40:12   Thanks! I'll check those pages out. What do you think about this issue? —PS2

2008-06-14 10:38:44   nice project

hawt —StevenDaubert

2008-06-15 07:05:12   Thanks, the pic is on the right page now. It just turned out to be a bunch of skeletons that were only moving because of the wind. —TheAmazingLarry

2008-06-18 15:30:00   Yeah, it was taken at the Phoenix Theater in Petaluma. —IsaacDivide

2008-06-19 08:09:55   Thanks for fixing the copyright attribution on my photos. —scottfischbein

2008-06-22 15:03:53   Most people won't notices. They have the attn span of fries. And the ones who do, like being insulted. It's validating. —shawn650

2008-06-22 19:02:04   Hi Jason! Just curious: What was the "stalkers" page and why was it deleted? I'm always interested in the whys. Helps me understand the rationale for doing things. Thanks! —CurlyGirl26

2008-06-22 22:10:27   Thanks for the tip! —CurlyGirl26

2008-06-23 07:09:22   I'm sort of surprised you created OpenStreetMap with a lowercase 'o' —WesHardaker

2008-06-23 10:28:40   I hope you can clarify this for me, are you in fact Jabberwocky as well or was that just some wiki nonsense? —DagonJones

2008-06-23 20:17:43   Hey bro, thanks for the welcome and the link on food poisoning. I'll see you around! —TheDavisMarine

2008-06-24 20:28:57   I was looking at the Winters Buckhorn page and the Buckhorn Steak and Roadhouse pages in attempt to merge/move them, but I realized that there are probably a lot more people in Davis who are likely to edit or leave comments. The two pages are just mirrors of each other, but the Davis page has way more comments and some additional content. Since I think a lot of people choose to edit content based on the 'Recent Changes' page, I guess I'm questioning my initial idea of merging and moving pages. Is there some way that different wikis can "co-host" a page? This would also be helpful for pages relating to Yolo county at large. I still think moving the pages is necessary, but I guess I wonder whether doing that would hamper further wiki development. What do you think? —MaryLieth

  • There are no hard and fast rules. Generally if there are local comments for a page like that I keep the local page, but also link to the other page. So in this case the Davis version of the Buckhorn page would stay, but link to the Winters version of the page. That way comments from a Davis perspective like "totally worth the drive" stay relevant to Davis Wiki, and comments that make more sense on the Winters Wiki version of the page like "Best Restaurant in town and the entire region" make sense there. As you know though this sort of thing evolves over time and we try different things and see which works best. Feel free to experiment a bit. I'm looking forward to the day when instead of a OMGLOLWIKIBBQ we all ride our bikes into winters to go get brunch at the Putah Creek Cafe. —JasonAller

2008-06-30 10:24:28   re: IRC and the HenryBrenton entry — always feel free to use anything I write on the wiki anywhere else on the wiki. That's what it's for. —JabberWokky

2008-07-04 00:21:16   Thanks! And right back at you... let's hear it for 100,000 edits, 100,000 total entries. ;) —JabberWokky

2008-07-06 16:11:34   Ok, fair enough. I guess I just like to "declutter". —MaryLieth

2008-07-09 14:53:44   One thing about deleting redirects without links to them within the wiki is that they are not necessarily unused: other sites might link to them. There's lots of old links out there, even to urls that look like —PhilipNeustrom

  • My plan was only to trim down the list a bit for ones that had low probability of outside links. For instance I'm going to leave the redirect to your page. I am trying to prepend Users/ to as many of the person pages as I can. —JasonAller

2008-07-09 15:47:13   Thanks for the gnoming on wheatfield-backgreen! —JoeWells

2008-07-09 16:05:50   Hey Jason- I need some help adding my site. Tack Warehouse is in Woodland but custoemrs are in Davis. We offer UC Davis discounts and Pony Club and sponsor kids programs in Davis my cell . If not thats ok too, Can you e-mail me? I m not good with the HTMl —HNR

2008-07-11 09:11:50   I am fully aware of the importance of using my real name, but to prevent legal harassment and intimidation from Scientology I must take certain measures to protect my anonymity. If you do not believe that my concerns are valid, then please find out more info from http://www.whyweprotest.netScientologyHarassmentPanda

2008-07-11 12:11:44   How do you know n=6? Is there a room db I am unaware of? Or are you just a very fast walker? :) —MattJurach

2008-07-11 12:18:09   BTW, where is this? I'm working on an art / wiki project on a related subject. —MattJurach

2008-07-11 13:07:29   Who hit 10,000 first— you or JW?


2008-07-12 13:00:42   What did you do to my page? —DavisLurker

2008-07-12 21:20:25   Hey Jason, I noticed that you've been doing a lot of gnoming lately that focuses on just adding "user/" to people's names. I'm just wondering your reasoning behind doing this, since all these pages redirect to the proper users anyway. You seem to have a good idea of what needs to be done with the wiki, and since I've been doing a lot of gnoming myself, I've been wondering if I should be adding the "users/" prefix when I see a username without one. —MaryLieth

  • I'm laying the groundwork for some improvements that will make it easier to separate out Users/ links and links to topic pages. I'm hoping that in the future pages like outgoing links will be able to offer the ability to recount pages based only on non Users/ links. It may be that I have to code that in later myself. The redirects are largely limited to Davis Wiki and are the result of a restructuring that occurred in preparation for the move to Wiki Spot. —JasonAller
    • Ah, ok. I'll edit usernames without prefixes when I see them. —MaryLieth

2008-07-13 09:56:45   Hey Jason, I noticed that you're doing a lot of work modifying links throughout the wiki. Would it be possible to write a script to do that all in one fell swoop? The script could be supplied with a list of usernames and pagenames. It could then use regex to search for and update all instances of links which contain a username without the "Users/" prefix. I don't know how the back-end of WikiSpot is set up, but it would be a handy admin tool if there were a general version of such a script to make similar content changes whenever necessary. —TheAmazingLarry

  • I'm also taking care of some less scriptable changes as I go through. I do have a list of all the usernames that have redirects to their Users/ pages that I'm working through. Plus reading through a lot of the pages is helping me mull over some of the negative comment discussions and think about better solutions. —JasonAller

2008-07-15 10:17:09   Thanks for your comment, I didn't know that shameless self promotion was frowned upon here. It isn't anywhere else. Sorry if I seem a bit bitter, but I just found out the person who deleted my post is a bitter x-roommate of a close friend of mine.

Long story short, there is too much drama under the surface here for me, and I'll try to keep with impartial commenting. —MasonMurray

2008-07-23 18:08:56   The woman at the help desk said I could post UCD A&E pics so long as I didn't in any way derive profit from them. —SMCareBare

2008-07-24 12:51:34   Thanks for the encouragement! You and Jabber have successfully talked me off the ledge. —Sankofa416

2008-07-25 12:45:08   Thank you very much for keeping on top of comment abuse. I really appreciate you stopping lisagoetz from editing/deleting my comments. Thanks for your hard work. —DaveCar

2008-07-26 21:19:28   Don't worry about need-for-content on BroodingHippie's profile. The original user died three years ago—I'm not certain whether BH's family uses the account to browse the wiki. It's a tribute more than anything. —JudithTruman

2008-07-27 13:09:32   Thank you for the greeting :) —Anja

2008-08-16 18:57:10   Probably a bit late now (eep!), but next time we could probably just run a script on the server to do the link -> user page link conversion. We've done it before with a few things when formatting changes. —PhilipNeustrom

  • I've been doing other cleanup along the way, so the effort isn't a wasted one. Plus churning up some stagnant pages has prompted some other people to update them. —JasonAller

2008-08-17 21:49:44   I've been seeing you fixing many broken links. Did something change that broke all of the links on the wiki? —IDoNotExist

  • JabberWokky already explained this, but I'll add a bit to what he said. Yes, I'm trying to clean up some namespace issues that are the result of the evolution that Davis Wiki went through when Wiki Spot was born. The issue doesn't exist on other Wiki Spot wikis because they were created after Wiki Spot and didn't need the name hack. The other thing that correcting the links does is make it easier to get information on a user and see all the pages that link to their user page. Right now some of the editors that were around before the switch have half of their signed comments linked to the redirect and half to their page. I'm consolidating those onto their page and taking the opportunity to make other minor fixes as I go through the pages. It also will allow us in the long term to delete those redirect that are no longer linked both internally and externally. That step will probably need to involve running the referring link from the server logs through a script to sort them out. —JasonAller

2008-08-19 01:59:31   I have heard of spammers using tactics like this to get people's email addresses. I may have been a bit overzealous, but the all-caps, poorly-written, asking-for-emails set off my suspicions. Feel free to return the comments, I just felt that they didn't add to the page or the reviews in question. —JoePomidor

2008-08-24 12:39:50   what exactly do I do? change it from /stevendaubert to users/stevendaubert ? —StevenDaubert

2008-08-24 12:48:01   I will gnome it up here pretty soon, I just have to irl —StevenDaubert

2008-08-24 13:16:36   Thanks for taking time out for me. I have a particularly short fuse when it comes to this so I'll try not to let that get the better of me. How do I change my name anyway? —gager

Click on your userpage (see how gager has an underline) and look to the bottom —StevenDaubert

2008-08-24 13:49:43   negative, I did read the lyrics though —StevenDaubert

2008-08-24 19:40:18   Jason, thanks a lot for the welcome and for salvaging my 1st try to create a representative page about my business ... I appreciate any hint that makes this platform even more useful and valuable to the people in Davis. Best regards, Hogan. —Hogan

2008-08-25 17:19:43   Thank you for all of your help. It means a great deal to me. Mike —gager

2008-08-25 17:35:39   just took a look at your graph of daviswiki pages. cool! whats up with that massive singularity where the graph jumps about a thousand pages in 1 day? (around 4/2007) —watson

  • A software upgrade that resulted in the automatic creation of extra pages for each person who had a page. I've been slowly working to correct that issue over time. Obviously I haven't been updating the graph recently. —JasonAller

2008-08-26 20:49:47   hey Jasaon, I seem to have mistakenly deleted the entire page when I was trying to delete a term in one of my edits long ago on the page (Tom Waltz) I don't know how to restore it. It was a mistake, honestly. I need help. —gager

2008-08-26 20:58:27   I was trying to erase a term that kept coming up in a search. sorry to be a pest and all but how would I do that?


  • If it is the term you were concerned about before I think it was left in a hidden comment on the page. Anything on a line starting with two #'s is a hidden comment that is useful for leaving notes for other editors. Let me go look at the page. —JasonAller

2008-08-26 21:07:27   it is hidden. As I just responded to Daubert, I was kinda thinking that we could remove the term altogether? —gager

  • So remove it. However as this is a wiki, and this is Davis... it would not surprise me that some incoming student unaware of the history of that term on the wiki will create it again. Leaving that hidden comment is a way to lessen the likelihood of that happening. —JasonAller

2008-08-26 21:14:35   I was trying to do that in the first place. Hopefully someone (me if it must be) would correct or educated the IFM that derrogatory terms are not tolerated in wikiland. I will try my inept editing skills once more. who knows, maybe I will one day be a wiki gnome. god forbid. —gager

2008-08-26 21:34:09   so far, this is the only site I've found that had a direct reference to my brother as such. I know that I must seem a bit of a pain in the ass to some people here. But I've found most to be understanding and compassionate. Simply, some people don't understand. Just as I might not understand the philosophies of some on this site. All I want is for my brother not to be referenced in a derogatory way. At All. I am way out of my leauge here in terms of editing and being savy to the wiki. I hope that the community sees this as the greater good. I appreciate the support. —gager

This is the only site that specifically references that?! I was on google two days ago and found an aboutdavis that was nasty, a myspace of some 17 year old at DHS who fears your brother, and 3-4 various articles that bring it up passing in neutral sort of way.

StevenDaubert P.S. if you want to brush up on your editing skills, just tool around help on editing and focus a little bit on each subject per day (15 minutes, don't overload yourself) etc

2008-08-30 20:53:37   Dude, you're a link-fixing machine! —jefftolentino

Yeah, this makes me kinda sad. We should automate this. How many more links are there to fix?

There are 585 redirects that need to be cleared at this point. I haven't calculated how many pages need to be changed to clear them. I am using the opportunity to make other edits beyond just the mechanical fixes, so it isn't a totally lost effort. —JasonAller

How many pages with user links that need fixing are left, though? If it's a lot then we should just use a script and spare your sanity!

2008-09-04 05:08:43   could it have been two people at the scene not able to use same account? -AsianguY + roommate (Joon) we call people who comment on others while not actually understanding the full situation "not knowing" as in "not" and "know(-ing)" form the dictionary. —Joon

2008-09-07 12:23:48   How many links are left to fix? —PhilipNeustrom

  • somewhere between 470 and 1500? —JasonAller
  • I would like to get this done before school starts up again, so Recent Changes becomes a list of currently relevant pages again. It does give a good chance to spellcheck, though. —BrentLaabs
    • yeah, this is what's ticking me a bit. this is a really easy script to write - i just have no time this week. just iterate through all pages, get the page text, look for links, see if they're users and don't start with users/ and then rename them...
    • What I'd like your help with is figuring out the best way given the log rotation to identify username redirects that are safe to delete from an outside link perpective. I agree that Recent Changes should go back to useful in time for the new crop of students. I just wanted to clean this out this summer, so I started in on it and think I've gotten pretty far. The scripted solution has issues because there are some name collisions that look like username redirects, but aren't. There are also some links to ["UserName"] that should be public figure pages that were created by friends of the non-user. —JasonAller
      • I wouldn't bother deleting these. What's the point?
      • The "new style" link fixes make sense in a "learn by example" sense. Deleting the redirects seems to just be cleaning up for the sake of editors and not really for the wiki itself. While I'm not opposed to it if there's some way to figure out what doesn't have an outside link, I don't see a strong reason to delete them while there's a decent reason not to (outside links). Unless it's a orphaned pages cleanup, which makes vague sense (since having them all there reduces the ability to find legitimately orphaned entries). —jw

  • I kind of don't think we should have tribute pages at all. Its bad like Visor Lady. If they and their position isn't already well known then they should be explained in the context of some group, like "officers of LUGOD" or "executive director of steac". Even then they don't need their own page, it should be on the page that provides their context to people who don't otherwise know of them. I think by the time somebody runs for office though they should have their own page if they don't make it themself for their own self-promotion, which I think is fine. —NickSchmalenberger

2008-09-07 13:42:05   Not that much better, really. I'm actually happier because I thought it was a funny joke. —BrentLaabs

2008-09-08 07:08:44   You had asked... It's a pain to find, and I'm about to run out of my preferred brand. Sarah and I are trying our hand at making some in the next couple days, but I figured when I found the supplier in Sacramento, I'd add it to the wiki for others who might be searching for it. —JabberWokky

2008-09-11 22:44:33   damn, I snooze I loose on the gnomage ='( —StevenDaubert

2008-09-11 22:49:02   I wonder if an entry has been made for the new dim sum ish place in the East Davis Mall / Dollar tree lot... —StevenDaubert

2008-09-17 20:07:10   I have a question for you (you commented after my link from Heron to Help Computer Services was removed). Would it be tact-less to comment on Heron, simply reminding people that there are other computer repair shops in town? —MasonMurray

2008-09-28 20:58:01   You are aware there exist redirect pages for all the old user links, you know this right, now why do you go through, spending all your time, updating all the links, or is this a way to make sure you read every comment/page on the wiki. Could you update some of the other incorrect info while you are there? I don't have the free time these days :) —DavidPoole

2008-09-29 19:55:34   no

he does business in Davis, and I see him in Davis all the time


2008-09-29 20:06:33   What do you propose? Interwiki link or something? How can I appease you on this matter? —StevenDaubert

  • Actually now that I put the link to it from your page it isn't an orphan and I'm totally ok with it. —JasonAller

2008-10-01 09:12:50   The Utilities page is a fabulous idea. —ElleWeber

  • And I assume it was prompted by the photo I mentioned? If not, it's a perfect place to start that set of entries from. —jw

2008-10-04 13:25:16   Please — no more username cleanup edits! Someone can write a script to delete all of the unused redirects (and we can run it on the server). —PhilipNeustrom

2008-10-04 15:37:46   I see you just created a redirect page for STS. STS also stands for Science and Technology Studies, although it looks as though that page could use some updating. —CovertProfessor

2008-10-12 23:25:43   nope, but im going to delete it tomorow —ChrisWaterstraat

2008-10-12 23:49:39   deleted, just for you —ChrisWaterstraat

2008-11-01 17:57:57   Hard to judge by a single photo, but I think the lizard you posted might actually be a Sagebrush. They're related, and males also have a bit of blue on the underside. This guess is based on the coloring/pattern from the topview. —EdWins

2008-11-07 11:23:57   I think the community needs a discussion on the relevance of including campaign contributions on a subject's page. If I weren't so busy, I would have started one already. In general, though, I think that the political views of the owner are irrelevant to their business unless the owner is more famous for their politics than their business. In that case, it would be better to have a public figure page and link to it from their business' page. —WilliamLewis

2008-11-07 11:48:55   Because (as I understand it) it was a personal contribution from an employee (albeit a part owner), it was not the business as an entity that made a statement. I agree with William, that personal matters aren't relevant to the business unless the business owner makes a point of it - not the case here. It is irrational and unreasonable to only support businesses where every single employee agrees with your beliefs on a personal level. —PeterAnselmo

2008-11-08 08:21:58   As of yesterday evening, there was a house on Villanueva, a bit west of Anderson, that had a Yes on 8 sign in one window and a No on 8 sign in another. —JessicaLuedtke

2008-11-15 10:49:25   Links can be forced? I thought users had 100% control over private pages lol. —EliYani

  • You do have control, the "force" was that it wasn't a natural link, but one that had to be artificially created. Linkless pages are dead ends. —JasonAller
  • and technically people don't have 100% control over their login name page, but a much higher degree of autonomy. Content there is still under the Creative Commons License, terms and conditions still apply, etc. —JasonAller

2008-11-16 19:17:18   Yeah, duh, I probably should have checked the original source. I'm not thrilled about this outing of employees, but Shawn is undoubtedly the owner. —DonShor

2008-11-17 22:09:33   What do you mean? —JoseBleckman

  • Your relationship with Steve, his apparent editing from your IP address, etc. —JasonAller
    • I've been friends with him for years, just as one of the recent no voters has been enemies with him for years. I think by this point everyone knows who is who, just as I am sure everyone has noticed that since he was been banned there has been much less balance on the ASUCD pages. The wiki community can, of course, vote to keep the quieter less informative statis quo. It is just not a vote that I support, seeing as I prefer seeing both sides presented in arguments. —JoseBleckman
      • That was much more clearly stated than the comment on the ban page. Thank you. My concern was that many people don't know all of the players, and there has been time for many new people to join the wiki while he has been gone. —JasonAller

2008-11-19 15:47:57   I agree that my comment on the Sophia's page, as it relates to the function of a Wiki, may be considered inappropriate, however, I do feel it is appropriate as it relates to those who own, either in entirety or a large share, a business. Thanks, Jason, for deleting my comment from the Sophia's page. As for Mr. Lewis, I would appreciate it if you were respectful in your comments. I'm not looking to attack anyone personally. —condemned2bfree

2008-11-22 20:39:03   Thanks for the info! I'll definitely check both sources out. —CurlyGirl26

2008-11-23 20:05:39   They were pages I made before I knew the differences between public page and a personal page. They're just friends, you can delete them. —JamesSchwab

2008-11-29 11:52:39   What are you trying to say? Don't talk to new folks on the wiki? Don't make confusing statements or JasonAller will obfuscate at you? I wasn't trying to be funny...

I figured he was Petrovich, and then I confirmed so I added more. What do you want from me? I thought it could have been a sibling or a relative instead of the man the myth. —StevenDaubert

  • All I'm asking is that some sensitivity be used when dealing with new users. If we want to be inclusive and make it possible to grow it pays to step back once in a while and welcome the new users and consider what kind of welcome we are giving them. It really sets the tone of the entire wiki. Check out what Paul's introduction to the wiki has been like so far. He signed up under his real name (assumption, but lets go with it), removed some content. The content was reverted and a message was left for him. Then I added a Welcome and a pointer to help explain further how to work with the wiki. Maybe I should have left a comment for William instead of you... I don't know. Ask yourself if the wiki would be better with more participants that have had a welcome and some initial guidance, or as just a cyber-hangout for those who attend the Wiki Gatherings? —JasonAller

2008-11-30 12:39:26   I'm not sure. Is there a page on distributed computing? On donating things? On volunteering? On medicine or the environment? —IDoNotExist

2008-12-05 22:05:08   You were saying that I shouldn't have removed the link to the Paragon. But the Paragon is a dead link and the establishment itself is also gone.


2008-12-07 15:42:32   Is the Montgomery Ave picture of a bridge? Or just some sort of side-barrier? If a bridge, does it have a keystone like the "Old Bridge" in the Arboretum? —TheAmazingLarry

  • It is a bridge. The bridge has two bike bridges on either side. I'm not sure about the keystone... I'll have to look the next time I get out that way. —JasonAller

2008-12-14 10:36:41   Is there an easy way to add a non-visible keyword to text that will still show up on a search? For example, the proper ID code for Yolo County Airport is KDWA as shown. However, a search of DWA should also turn up the same thing. The "K" on the code indicates USA and is often omitted. —JimStewart

2008-12-14 20:36:31   I'm undecided. My opinion is that any unsubstantiated accusation of illegal activities should just be removed immediately, especially the ones that are one-time postings. Accusing a business owner of hiring illegal aliens is probably libel, or something like it, and it isn't the first time it's happened on the Wiki. But I'd be curious what others think. I would take the whole comment off of the Natural Food Works page, but I don't know if removing a post is considered worse than editing it. —DonShor

2008-12-21 14:24:52   your on a roll right now! keep up the good work —StevenDaubert

  • Dang, I got distracted by someone leaving a comment on my page... —JasonAller

2008-12-31 08:39:04   I've long thought it would be a cool addition to the wiki to have a sort of "history of infrastructural development" of the city; like a description of the physical growth of the city over time. It could be structured around a time line of major developments like bridges and major roads, neighborhood additions, and water management systems, etc. Do you think this would be useful or interesting? And if so, any suggestions on how to get it started? —TheAmazingLarry

  • Either adding to the timeline pages, creating a separate timeline, putting together an animated .gif file? I know that at one point I put together a page on the Annexation History from some City GIS information. I think it is all interesting information to capture. —JasonAller

2008-12-31 14:38:07   How come you reverted Downtown Chiropractic back to version 15? The picture is of Ray's old location and is no longer accurate. Also, he no longer offers massage services... I guess he could refer a patient though. And he is no longer in the old location of Mothersource (Massage By Caren is). I'm new to this so I may have goofed by editing. if so, a gentle correction and a pointer in the right direction would be great. thanks —SteveW

2008-12-31 14:40:29   How come you reverted Downtown Chiropractic back to version 15? The picture is of Ray's old location and is no longer accurate. Also, he no longer offers massage services... I guess he could refer a patient though. And he is no longer in the old location of Mothersource (Massage By Caren is). I'm new to this so I may have goofed by editing. if so, a gentle correction and a pointer in the right direction would be great. thanks —SteveW

2008-12-31 14:57:14   no problem moving the mothersource reference, but the pic is not accurate and could (or maybe has) directed Ray's patients into Caren's business/home. Not a big deal, but it is an interruption to Caren to have to redirect Ray's patients... part of the reason she wanted to update the Downtown Chiro page and create one for her business. I'm not gonna complain either way. thanks —SteveW

2009-01-01 12:38:09   your on a tear again! —StevenDaubert

2009-01-07 12:32:17   Ya i made it for her —MattCorey

2009-01-08 03:27:01   Oh thanks for working on my profile as a wiki gnome. I didn't provide links to the wikipages through my profile because I'm still kind of new to the whole editing thing. —WengFF

2009-01-09 00:34:54   Gah you are very /talk -y these days. —DavidPoole

  • Ok, I fixed the unlinked talk pages. Now you can get together with IDoNotExist and write a patch for Wiki Spot so that it doesn't have to be done manually in the future. —JasonAller

2009-01-09 15:58:47   Thanks bud. —EdWins

  • You are welcome. Thanks for cleaning up some of those pages that I stirred up from the depths of the vast pool of stagnant pages. —JasonAller

2009-01-17 10:59:33   :D I like pruning old, dead branches and tidying up loose ends. I'm glad that encourages you to plant and help grow new seeds :P —EdWins

2009-01-18 18:54:21   Links for wanted pages are automatically generated. additionally it is such that, one cannot create a page for [..] nor [.] due to their function in file system structure. —DavidPoole

  • Yup, all true. What I'm asking is, that if the pages are showing up on Wanted Pages and if they can't be created, that you remove the links so that they stop showing up as wanted pages. —JasonAller
    • An alternate solution is obvious. Of course, it's David's entry, but that solution would probably satisfy both of you... I use it on the hub wiki for subtle administrative links all the time.Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards

2009-01-21 19:54:46   I am not too sure what you are talking about, but I may have deleted someone's comments by mistake because we were editing the same page in the same time. This was not my intention. —Michael777

2009-01-21 20:15:43   Again I am not too sure what you are talking about. Clearness would be appreciated, but if people don't want their comments deleted, why should I have mine deleted? —Michael777

2009-01-21 20:35:20   I did also write the comments in the What Alcohol Does To One's Health page but someone deleted them. —Michael777

2009-01-21 20:45:28   I suppose people just spend all their time removing other people's comments that are against their petty personal ideas and saying it was off subject... And then they say that we should not remove their comments. Easy. And they call this "respect" or "consideration"? —Michael777

2009-01-24 20:27:53   Thanks for the gnoming, I'm a little inexperienced, and wasn't sure how to switch Clifford's page from public to private. I'm still learning EliYani

2009-01-28 19:24:58   What request for input? —IDoNotExist

2009-01-31 08:49:30   am I crazy or can I just not find the page that shows notable references to the Daviswiki in print... —StevenDaubert

2009-01-31 12:27:15   can you please help us to put the comment archive in the right place. thanks —DarkSide

2009-01-31 14:24:12   i dont really understand the different pages you are talking about, but i would greatly appreciate your help in doing what you are saying! and if you could help link the pages to the elections website, that would be fantastic too! —willklein

2009-01-31 18:32:16   hey, thanks for the help! I would like to save the Bike Church as well, both incorporating the Bike Church into the bike barn and the AAA program are currently in the works, so I would like to ensure they both get to fruition —willklein

2009-02-01 11:00:02   I'd imagine most people typically introduce themselves with their first name (Edwin) or a nickname (Ed, Eddie, etc). Usually though, you also meet who you're introducing yourself to. When buying groceries and meeting a pal's friend, you're not standing in front of a potential crowd blindly addressing god knows who. People from afar can't research, stalk, and look you up if you introduce yourself at a farmers market. (Unless they're the government, I suppose <.<) —EdWins

2009-02-02 20:39:04   No I didn't. I'm an employee though. I'll just take it down for now and if my boss wants it, he can put it up. —mperkel

2009-02-02 22:41:35   Thank you —katieLytle

2009-02-05 13:22:32   This edit (after your edit comment) made me giggle. —EdWins

2009-02-05 15:39:31   should include about review get scattered on all the restaurants? —StevenDaubert

2009-02-07 20:09:19   Removed the image of the shop itself because it doesn't yet have our new store logo on it.. After seeing it constantly being placed back on the screen I moved it to where the logo is now and made it smaller trying to emphasize the logo and not the image of the door, but that also keeps getting changed back. —WesOne

  • How about taking a new photo? The other thing to keep in mind is that by having the logo on the page directly it is released under the Creative Commons-By license. —JasonAller

2009-02-10 20:09:33   Generally the biggest issue with working with The California Aggie right now is that they're really distracted by financial woes (in addition to just getting a paper published). So, the process is moving slowly, but moving forward. —BrentLaabs

2009-02-19 23:42:48   thank you I was wondering how to fix that. I didn't mean to delete the page just the comment :) Thanks again! —srtuck

2009-02-24 03:17:55   Thanks. Usually I'll make a page when I'm looking for information, and it's a nice way to organize the information I gather. Plus, doing it this way makes it so everyone else can benefit from it, too. —MaryLieth

2009-02-25 21:24:14   You might want to define "sockpuppet" or link to a definition of it when using the term with non-gnomish people. I'm not sure that many non-wikifolk would know what the term means... —IDoNotExist

2009-02-25 21:50:10   See the sockpuppet page. —IDoNotExist

2009-02-25 22:06:29 :-)

Well, you did ask for a sockpuppet page! —IDoNotExist

2009-02-26 22:05:38   I've thought about it quite a lot over the last few years. I always enjoyed it overall, particularly when I actually had things of potential use to add. Many of my friends didn't really want to become involved. I think it comes down to an identity issue. (In short - I could talk about this a lot, I have with many people). Some view the wiki as a positive open community (in an idealistic way), some see it as a useful resource, and the bulk of student visitors see it as more of a community website: a more interactive, more personal version of Yelp for example. IMO, people have entrenched. I think often regular editors quickly form up in a "us vs them" nature that is off putting to newbies. The nature however can't easily be changed - most visitors visit with a destination in mind, or to learn about Davis randomly by browsing, but I imagine few follow Recent Changes and edit histories. While many, (particularly you and JW) are kind and patient, there are times it's easy to feel like a newbie is a second class editor. And telling people that using a Yelp/forum/internet style name is not sufficient, and a few single edits won't be taken seriously, adds to that. They fiddle around, see the "big" guys, and feel intimidated. If you want to put it in terms of a social gathering like at a Farmers Market, it's hard to walk into and break into the established crowd. Especially if you're used to other websites and forums, or other venues where most people have just met or don't regularly interact. People are being given a choice: either they can invest seriously in what they felt was just a comment/review type site to have themselves feel validated, or they are discouraged and either lurk or end up posting in other avenues. Casual editing often seems to be discouraged (and specifically on restaurant pages discounted), while casual editing is what, in my opinion, increases peoples confidence and enjoyment and is what draws them into eventually becoming regular wiki contributors. Specifically on the restaurant pages, as restaurants/shopping is the original major draw of many visitors to this resource. I can't imagine how to try to alter any perceived problems with this - especially as everyone would feel differently and I'm sure many might disagree with my assessment. But as I mentioned above, I've spoken with many, many people who've felt that way about the Wiki. Not quite since launch, but in the following years, the sentiment grew. —EdWins

I kept the other comments on the moved page because they seem contextually related, such that if they were kept on the page without the preceding conversation, they wouldn't make as much sense. What do you think? -ZN

2009-02-27 07:31:35   I'd also add on what I mentioned briefly (in my Alphadog comment earlier). The wiki has grown and changed remarkably, and that affects the community. Early on, it was spread exclusively by word of mouth and perhaps a zealous person putting out flyers. DW was the cool little community project. As time passed and it grew, it started to become prominent in other places: google searches, mentions on websites like Yelp, Aggie articles, etc. Now, way way more of the casual and new editors are people who end up "falling" into it, in direct contrast to how it used to be when people were almost being personally introduced into it and the concept of real local community. I think that's a major contributor to how many people view, and edit, on the wiki (as I just mentioned above) as opposed to how long-time editors are seeing it. And I think that becomes clear when you look at the more popular restaurant pages here. The bulk of comments added are now often from random unknown people to "single post commenters". Completely different style to it than when the wiki was just starting to hit big growth in 2005, and this again leads to the notion to many of the casual/new editors of the Yelp sort of site, drawing even more people here. Cyclically, I'd imagine. Especially when, as people have noted here before, Yelp comments sometimes include things like "Just check the DavisWiki for reviews". These are just all thoughts, and I may disagree with what I've just posted in a few days, but I think in broad general terms it's reasonably rational for at least a decent sized proportion of the newbies/casual editors/visitors. —EdWins

2009-03-01 21:34:52   Jason, I'm not sure I understand the question. Perhaps you could rephrase? —GeoffJohnson

  • A long time ago you created a page for Mark It was never linked from anywhere and so it shows up on the Orphaned Pages report. —JasonAller

2009-03-04 18:48:50   It's Back-Off edit warring, see the edit history. —BrentLaabs

2009-03-04 20:56:50   Re: "Removed comment, comment should be directed to Tree Davis, not Artis Tree - JasonAller" Well, I would put my comment on the TREEDavis page, if it still existed. With all the concern about preserving spelling, grammar errors and original content in general on the DavisWiki, outright removal of a comment without affording the commenter a choice of alternative placement prevents free and open exchanges of ideas. SredniVashtar

2009-03-05 17:30:47   Were you able to do that with a straight face? Heh. —EdWins

  • Darn tootin' I was. I may be a lousy poker player, but I've got a great poker face. —JasonAller

2009-03-14 18:21:31 (don't forget to read the mouse-over text!) :D —EdWins

2009-03-17 08:12:18   Seems like srednivashtar 'really' wants to remove his comments on Chiles Mansion. Maybe it's better to let Jeremy decide if he also wants to delete his stranded comment? —MattJurach

  • To a point that would be fine, however at that point the responsibility rests with srednivashtar to contact Jeremy. Even at that point it may still not be the right course of action depending on the circumstances. Remember that every comment and edit you make are published under the Creative Commons-By license and as such it is available for use by the Wiki Community. Once published it is out there and there is a record of it that can't be removed in the page's edit history. —JasonAller

2009-03-17 18:49:59   Haha, definitely, I was just curious how everyone was going to react when the same situation crops up but without the same back-and-forth that has been happening on the library page. —JoePomidor

2009-03-19 15:24:30   Oh, is that why those other streets are listed? I couldn't figure it out. It might be nice to have a description: "These streets cross paths with (Street Name)". It's probably obvious to most people, but sometimes it's helpful to really spell out the obvious. —ElleWeber

2009-03-23 09:31:40   Hey, thanks for the welcome to the area! I am also really glad that you pointed out my statements, They held true in Seattle, as well as the helmet thing being true in WI and CO, so I'm surprised to see they're different here. I've already gone and changed the statements I made to more truthful ones (kept them in though since they are still a danger, just made it clear to that effect). —Jteeples

2009-03-25 22:14:28   Banning? Oh come on! Yes, he's being difficult.... but I can understand where he's coming from. Ownership of one's writing is pretty common. —WilliamLewis

  • I thought I'd try pulling a Brent. ;) —JasonAller

2009-03-27 04:44:20   Thanks for cleaning up the Dance Baby and Mojo stuff. —JabberWokky

This entry needs to be edited by somebody. Since somebody else wants you to do it for them, they have tagged this entry so they don't have to do it themselves, and instead be happy that they added a pretty looking notice that points out the obvious in the same amount of time it takes to just fix it themselves. Please do it for them, as they want it fixed. Now.

2009-03-27 13:44:55   It was when I was new to the wiki and was joking around making some friend pages. Nothing really to link them to. —JamesSchwab

2009-03-28 12:43:49   It's a pain in the ass, but I'll take care of it. —EliYani

2009-03-28 18:29:06   I left you a note inside of the text of Frank T's

enjoy —StevenDaubert

2009-03-28 19:02:24   I think you need to look again (look at the times) ¬_¬

here is a handy url

2009-03-28 23:59:00   buh —StevenDaubert

2009-03-31 19:24:55   I'm not sure that I understand the relation between the "what are your five favorite things in Davis?" question and someone posting for a business...? —IDoNotExist

  • It is an attempt to get some of those "role" accounts to take a look at the username they are using and reconsider. If Management posts to another business page it will certainly cause confusion. If they aren't free to participate on other pages because they are posting from what they perceive as a "business account" then that creates problems as well. The other issue with these accounts is it opens up real problems with impersonation. Using your real name avoids all of these issues. —JasonAller
    • I know we've been over this before (and just recently), but I'm inclined to agree with IDoNotExist. First, although you're right that there is a big problem with the username "Management," that problem is different from the general "problem" (if it's a problem) of someone posting with an anonymous name. It seems to me that the wiki is well within its rights to disallow a confusing name like that. Second, I admit that I also find the "five favorite things in Davis" confusing, especially targeted towards a business person but also in general. Surely I've articulated at least five of my favorite things in Davis by now, and yet I am still relatively anonymous (though of course unbeknownst to me some enterprising person may have figured out my identity). —CovertProfessor
  • I hope that the two of you will feel free to welcome a few new users as well. That way we can get some diversity of welcomes and I can learn from the both of you what elements of a welcome work better than the parts that I'm using. I've only been using the five things comment with "role" based user names, I'm not using it with general anonymous name welcomes. My perception is that if someone is editing only "their" business under a "role" account that they are missing out on the rest of the wiki. It wouldn't make sense to see a review on Dos Coyotes from a user called "TacoBellManager" and it would be sort of odd to read a review by an apartment complex of a tire shop. Their choice of a "role" account name limits how they can participate, which is an unnecessary limitation. I also see this as the sort of issue that grows. If they continue to edit under these names, other apartment managers will think that they should follow that example, and that isn't productive. I'd rather try to educate a few of these folks so that they switch to either their real name, or a non "role" name at least. —JasonAller
  • As I've mentioned before, the use of a "Real Name" doesn't in any way imply that the real name is actually the user's actual name. Really, a real name is just a real sounding name (TM). In other words, a really real name that really is really real can not be distinguished from a real sounding fake real name that is really real sounding but is really as real as any fake nonreal name that you might wish to make up. Really. And if a role based fake real name user wishes to assume a different fake real name to assume a new real role, they can do so at any time, even maintaining both real roles with real fake names simultaneously. In other words, the use of a Real Sounding Name gets the Wiki community nothing in terms of being able to tell who someone is, except perhaps the invalid assumption that they can believe someone based on their name rather than their actions. —IDoNotExist
    • While I agree with you, that's not what JasonAller is talking about. I believe his point is simple: an account titled "TraderJoesOwner" is limited to posting only to the Trader Joe's page. The name doesn't matter, as long as he's not acting as a representative of a business. Whether the owners name is Michael Western or John Smith doesn't matter, heck he can go by the account name of "Fuzzypinksocks." We know that JA and others might prefer a "real name" over Fuzzypinksocks (which is what your comment I think is about), but he's saying that any of those names are better than being a representative with a name like "TraderJoesOwner," which limits the account. -ES
    • I don't think that there's a good solution to that. It's fundamental to the structure and ideals of the Wiki. We could potentially implement some solution-like things, such as moderation (see, metamoderation (see, and strong authentication (No, not really. It would burden the Wiki with all sorts of legal issues that I'll leave it to the legal eagles among us to sort out.) Or, we might just not worry about it, flag likely issues, and remove obvious spam and fake comments. —IDoNotExist
      • There is a big difference between trying to create a programmatic solution and politely trying to explain that someone's fly is open. It feels like somewhere along the line you got the idea that I was looking for a programmatic solution and now every time the issue comes up it feels like you are trying to talk me out of something that I'm not trying to do. I'm trying to politely explain to these people that their fly is open, I'm not walking around clamping chastity belts on people. If there is a better way to let these people know, "Hey, buddy, your barn door is open" I'd be happy to hear it. Even better would be if some other people joined in so that it doesn't fall to me to point it out. —JasonAller
        • Ok, I have a better idea of what you're up to now. My suggestion would be to just be direct — something along the lines of: Welcome to the Wiki, see business owner page, etc... but you may want to change your user name to your real name or something more general. We want to encourage wiki contributors to contribute to many different sorts of pages on the wiki, and your chosen name seems to limit you to only to editing page X. —CovertProfessor

2009-03-31 23:05:40   How about a wiki greeting page that you see when you create an account, rather than when you post something (and possibly never think to look at your user page, esp. if you are doing a one-off posting?) While I don't think that such a page should suggest using your real fake name, it could suggest proper wiki etiquette, and also politely mention that various undesirable behaviors are easily detected, and may be removed by other users as needed... —IDoNotExist

  • Right now each signup at Wiki Spot goes through the same process, we don't impose rules that would work for one community on all communities. As such, if people click signup before having a look around the place we will run into this issue. It might be possible to allow each wiki to put forth a "Read before signing up", but if someone signs up for Sacramento Wiki and then comes here we still have the same sorts of issues. It does require constant education and outreach. I was even in favor of an admin level function that would hide IP addresses on certain wikis. That way there could be a wiki for abuse survivors that used only anonymous account names, and someone could edit there both IP and name anonymous, but turn around, log out and back in, and edit under their real name on a community wiki. That feature hasn't been added either. Wiki Spot is trying to get to the point through fundraising and grants where it can support paid rather than volunteer development efforts. If you want these sort of things and you believe in the potential of this tool, be sure to help out with fundraising. —JasonAller

2009-04-01 15:17:57   Hi, we tried to upload a picture to our page- the picture name is: Urban Body - Best Tattoo & Piercing Shop in Yolo.jpg from some reason we can't do it- can you please help us with that we want it to appear on the top of the page next to our shop picture. thanks in advance for your help.


2009-04-02 17:47:36   This is hilarious! —PhilipNeustrom

2009-04-03 13:02:51   I'm interested in the status of user SredniVashtar, I've been lethargically following the goings on regarding him/her. Last edit you made to the user page says you will be making a ban discussion page, but I do not see one. —MasonMurray

  • I've been working on other things that were more productive. —JasonAller

2009-04-04 16:55:03   Just teasing, of course! :) —TheAmazingLarry

2009-04-08 09:17:03   Thanks! The hop pics are taken in Germany, I found them on wikipedia. —matiasek

2009-04-09 22:21:56   Obviously this person is feeling a bit hesitant about the reaction to her leaving the group... why not cut her some slack and let her leave off the attribution and time stamp if she wishes? Many won't know how to dig in the history to find it, or even know think to look in the first place. —CovertProfessor

  • Partly because by restoring it and pointing out the page history feature in my welcome to her it lets her know that it wasn't as anonymous as she was trying to make it. Partly because, as much as I'm not a fan of that particular organization, they deserve as fair a playing field as the wiki can provide. Short answer, to restore balance. —JasonAller
  • I kind of agreed with CP here. Different people will have different preferences about how the wiki should be, and generally I am inclined to tolerate when the result is more points of view are visible. As far as wikignomery goes, her text seems the most appropriate for the Experiences page, maybe she would like to put it there? Is unattributed posting there acceptable if she knows its not super anonymous? I'm also not sure how I feel about saying "you have these problems so you belong here on the wiki", I guess she should be given the choice? Mostly I think one person could have explained about the anonymity/attribution to her and somebody else could have done the removal if they felt it was appropriate, even a Grace Valley person if any are still paying attention to the wiki. —NickSchmalenberger
    • Would one of you step up then and reach out to her on her page? I feel like taking a gnome vacation. —JasonAller

2009-04-17 20:05:16   How was your vacation? —TheAmazingLarry

  • I took the gnome vacation so that others could step up and match their actions to their words, but came back to a pile of unhandled gnoming. There were unwelcomed people, unlinked pages and sockpuppets who hadn't been introduced to themselves. —JasonAller

2009-04-18 12:34:37   Your work shouldn't be taken for granted. Maybe we could have a weekly or so volunteer schedule of who is taking care of these things? As many people as want to could volunteer at once, but it might be clearer when nobody is really doing it. —NickSchmalenberger

2009-04-22 21:42:52   Hey thanks for making our page all pretty and adding the links, we are newbs at this, and thanks for the luck too. —Zeeba

2009-04-25 09:25:52   proof that you have too much free time. I dont even know who you are. Does it make you feel big to pick on some random person through a wiki? —RealComputers

  • Do you really not understand what Davis Wiki is about? Did you stumble in here without looking around? I'm not picking on you; you wandered into the product of the collective efforts of 9000 people and ignored all of the conventions and established patterns for interaction. People reached out to you and tried to show you resources that would help you understand how to reach an end result that would benefit you, your business and the wiki. You ignored every attempt to reach out to you. One of your first edits was to go to the page for your prior employers business and remove all of the content on it and replace it with a nasty comment; what sort of message did that send to the rest of us about your sense of style and ethics? As to saying that you don't know who I am, I stand behind every edit I've made with my real name instead of a pseudonym or a role based account. —JasonAller
    • "what sort of message did that send to the rest of us about your sense of style and ethics?" A rhetorical question, I know, but when I followed a link to the edit... !!! Yeah, retaliation is what I want to see from someone I'd give access to my hard drive! Well, who knows how this'll play out in time. —DougWalter

2009-04-25 19:44:07   I'm not saying it was handled inappropriately. I'm not making any judgment on that. I just think rude comments should be saved for the comments section, not the body of the article. —jsogul

2009-04-26 21:10:06   ahh, its supposed to be a place where students can create groups to share notes with eachother, and given the student population here I figure it's relevant. Thanks for the welcome —MK121

2009-04-27 11:50:35   I would say the danger chalkings are more for skateboard and rollerbladers. Bicyclists can go over those bumps no problem, but they are instant death to smaller wheeled vehicles —StevenDaubert

  • Hear, hear. I used to ride a longboard around, with my messenger bag loaded with books, notes, sometimes my laptop, etc. Most of the much-loved bike paths really suck at being smooth, much less all the sidewalk cracks or those train tracks. None of these are a problem for bicyclists really, but Daubert's "instant death" is right on for skaters. I've hurt myself plenty of times (typically in the early evenings - thanks a lot, light ordinance). -ES
    • I agree it is more of a danger for skateboards and rollerblades, but this particular crossing has holes that are large enough to cause problems for bicycles as well. —JasonAller

2009-04-27 11:51:05   your here to gnome and chew gum?! —StevenDaubert

2009-05-05 09:04:49   How does this site work in relation to you and other who seem to be like you? Are there admins for wiki or do you just like to keep it clean? —RealComputers

  • Each editor has their own reasons for participating and for having chosen their level of participation. My own answer would involve several quarts of Gary's Buckskin Gulch Chili; but that wouldn't make sense to anybody who hadn't been blessed by having eaten it. There are some admins, but for the most part they really hang back and only step in when absolutely needed. I happen to believe in the potential of the wiki so I work toward that potential.

2009-05-12 21:01:50   thanks, your comment has helped me figure out how to improve another site. thanks. —AMSauceda

2009-05-12 21:16:34   are images added into a wiki are automatically turned into thumb nails when they exceed a certain size? —AMSauceda

  • No, but other editors may add thumbnail, noborder, right or other modifiers to the image in order to try and improve the page. —JasonAller

2009-05-13 20:54:11   Thanks for the advice— I'll revert and rename. —JamesHargis

2009-05-13 21:10:45   Meh... why entertain such nonsense? He came here with a pointless mission to impose the "correct" terminology on a world that widely uses a different convention. —WilliamLewis

2009-05-13 21:35:20   Sorry for the revert wars on the "marijuana" page. My basis for changing the page is that the scientific name for "marijuana" is "cannabis." While it is also known as "marijuana," shouldn't it be redirected to the page with the proper, scientific name? —JamesHargis

2009-05-16 14:40:54   Thanks. :P —JamesWaterhouse

2009-05-22 06:33:22   Hey, isn't there a community review page for restaurants somewhere? One with a bunch of restaurants listed and different people's "star rating" and summary under each? It might be a good idea to point NickKory there. —JabberWokky

2009-05-25 09:37:51   Any idea how to fix this?

  • Jason won't be able to help with that, nor I. Try checking out with the Sycamore folks. That's a database error, and it's not a Wiki Spot wiki. By the way, if that's your wiki, let me know... I have something for you. —Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards
    • It's not my wiki, but one that I was hoping to contribute to. I wonder why the admin would have created it outside of the wikispot neighborhood...

2009-05-25 17:02:22   Jason. I made a new account because I wish to remain anonymous. It has nothing to do with "standing by my words." I have no desire to make a "sockpuppet" account. I want privacy. Is that hard to understand? I'm sorry I don't understand the ins and outs of DavisWiki as much as you. Google my real name if you wish. I'm a reasonably accomplished academic. I honestly don't give a damn if somebody finds out I am unhappy with the management decisions at Taco Bell...but honestly, why should I be obligated to use an account name that contains my real name? When you make complaints in a "comment box" at a physical store/restaurant, are these comments not anonymous? —cowman

  • It just strikes some people as weird when you introduce yourself to a community of neighbors under an obviously fake name. It's okay... you should be used to it if you do it regularly. I know I usually have to explain "it's a nickname from theater" when my wife calls me "Wokky" in public. This is a small town, and people are apt to think you're just using this name on the wiki and shunning becoming part of the community here. The Davis community has people with odder names than "Cowman", I suppose, however. Rob Roy comes to mind. :) Regardless of what you choose to call yourself, you're welcome here, Mr. Man. There's no obligation, just simple neighborly community. —Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards
  • It's just that I was accused of sockpuppetting even though its quite clear on the Taco Bell comment page that it's the same person making the comments. It's not like I'm pretending to be multiple people making independent comments. Actually, if you look at my original account (ChekOunkomol), you'll see that I've had that account since 2005. At some point I deleted all personal information from that page simply because I wanted more privacy - I simply wouldn't like that kind of information to show up on Google. That was my motivation for making a new account (cowman). I didn't realize that there was such an insistence on using your real name on this wiki. —cowman
    • No insistence. It's not a big deal... technically, you are sockpuppeting by having two accounts. I think you've blown this up into a bit of a bigger deal than it is. People do sometimes sockpuppet for nefarious reasons, and you were accidentally doing it with no ill will. Jason's not an admin, he's just a fellow editor who noticed some hinky activity and pointed it out as a statement of fact. You responded. No big deal... and certainly no reason to get all worked up about. —Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards

2009-05-25 21:29:26   I've been thinking about the Anonymous page for a couple days now; you beat me to the punch. :) —ElleWeber

2009-05-27 00:23:41   good point make it so —StevenDaubert

2009-06-08 10:24:45   yes . . . though I'm not so good with the naming schemes.

2009-06-32 26:71:02   You sure like attributed comments. :)

2009-06-11 16:03:57   Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. —JabberWokky

  • and some days you step through the Rashōmon Gate and you still don't know. —JasonAller

2009-06-17 08:08:26   I like this, a lot: "this isn't one of the shadowy corners of the internet, but an extension of the town." —TheAmazingLarry

2009-06-19 13:11:55   Excellent photo op for a bunch of different entries, from that one to explosions, fire department, various emergency, disaster and fire related ones. —JabberWokky

2009-06-28 12:13:43   ...aaaaaand he's off! —JabberWokky

  • He appreciates those who did good work while he was gone. —JasonAller

2009-06-28 13:05:34   Your wikivigil was missed. It was rather comforting opening up recent changes today and seeing your name pop up. The man is on the wall. —robinlaughlin

2009-06-29 08:57:11   Thanks! :) I forgot you were going on vacation and was wondering where you were. It's good to see your name in the recent changes again. —ElleWeber

2009-06-29 17:28:14   Thanks for the links you added to my profile. —Conrad

2009-06-30 11:25:29   Yes, I will. He is gone until Thursday though. He already has a username, but it's not his real name and he has no page for it. —TimMatthiessen

2009-07-03 17:09:34   I removed a duplicate comment as you can clearly see. What, is that not allowed or something? —JustinAi

2009-07-03 17:34:32   No worries. —JustinAi

2009-07-03 19:07:56   Will do, thanks for the tip. —JustinAi

2009-07-03 21:53:20   I appreciate your comments and sincerity in wanting me to feel welcome, but from that first reaction I can say that I do not. However, I understand that people have used the Wiki in ways that are questionable and undesirable. If you need a suggestion as to how to approach a person who seems suspicious, I suggest asking the validity and goals of said Wiki to understand if it is in fact a real business that is simply being made aware to the community or something else. Posting to that page is a way to do it, as is writing an email. Assuming that I have similar motives as another individual because of IP address issues, while cause for a certain level of alarm, is not cause for throwing around accusations. Again, I suggest simply asking me the situation.


P.S. To clear up the IP address situation. My friend was with me in the same room as I was creating this Wiki. I used her input to help me create the page and she posted an honest review. The comments posted on that Wiki yesterday affected me as well as her. But, hopefully clearing this up can help to put it behind all of us. —PKS

2009-07-04 15:20:44   Jason, Thanks for your concern. I don't believe my comment was quite as harsh as claiming that a man responsible for systematically killing several (and I use that loosely) million people was "good." I realize my comments may be quite shocking for the relatively censored town of Davis, but I'm very willing to take responsibility for them. —Enosh

2009-07-10 20:37:58   no, we're not all the same person. nice effort though, playing wiki police. —LMarie

2009-07-10 21:05:10   perhaps my response would have been different had my first encounter not been one of a passive aggressive nature. i suggest you help in creating an environment that is both constructive and conducive to the goal of the wiki: sharing experiences both negative and positive. more than one person can have a good experience at one location without it being a breach of wiki-conduct... ip addresses are not always as they appear. kthx. —LMarie

  • Ok, how do we (you and I and everyone else who is participating) create a better environment around here? I'd love to get your constructive suggestions on that topic. —JasonAller

2009-07-13 07:31:37   I was on a flight late last night, coming back from a funeral in Florida. —JabberWokky

2009-07-13 07:35:02 <- the Canadian dental board has a specific ethics point regarding advertising. Article three under "Responsibilities to the Profession". —JabberWokky

2009-07-16 13:24:38   Its a lot less common with desktops but I'd say just onder one fourth of the repairs I do on laptops are related to over heating. —RealComputers

2009-07-16 14:16:56   Heh. If I ever swing the big stick before walking softly until my shoes are worn out, please call me on it. (Unless it's an utterly rabid dog, who do periodically pop up). —JabberWokky

2009-07-16 16:45:19   I think you do as awesome of a job now as you did years ago. Cheers, man. —EdWins

2009-07-16 19:56:45   I usually use speedfan for my cpu, hdd, and gpu temp checker. —MasonMurray

2009-07-17 20:22:16   Voilà! Thanks for the editing! —SophiaWenshek

2009-07-22 14:42:53   Thank you for the kind words. You can't please all the people all the time, however hard you try. —BrettHall

2009-07-28 14:04:32   Good point. I don't like the idea of people leaving comments and then deleting their signatures but also am not comfortable deleting the comment entirely. However, it wasn't appropriate to leave it the way that it was (attributed to someone else completely) and I didn't want her first experience editing to be completely negative. What would you suggest? —ElleWeber

2009-07-29 00:19:58   The page I am creating is for a fun, not for chaos. Dont delete it. —RealComputers

  • There has already been enough discord on Recent Changes today, creating any of the classic flame pages here would be wrong. First it isn't what the wiki is designed to be and second it shows really poor taste. —JasonAller

2009-07-29 00:30:33   I'm just creating a friendly page. Get over yourself and leave me alone. You are the number one person who hastles me on wiki. I cant do hardly anything here without you trying to delete it or something. Its a new freaking page, it leave it be. —RealComputers

  • I'm hardly number 1. Today I watched the Recent Changes page unfold as you and a handful of other people argued. Way I see it you are bringing a lot of this on yourself. —JasonAller

2009-07-29 00:39:02   seriously man, I will not accept any opinion of yours because you have given me too much opposition in the past. Let someone else decide, if they want to delete the page I will let it be but not comming from you. —RealComputers

  • Aside from that massive persecution complex you've got and your setting of dicta without understanding the history of debate pages on this wiki and why the issue has already been dealt with... learning to not take edit decisions personally would be a really good skill to pick up if you are going to hang around here, and I hope that you do hang around. —JasonAller

2009-07-29 01:22:56   I'll live. Quite frankly, though, after 15 years of seeing this "debate" on usenet, BBSs, chat rooms, and bulletin boards, I'm sick of it. I thought the rest of the world was, too. —WilliamLewis

No one forces you to take part in the discussion. You act like you cant avoid it.

2009-07-29 02:17:22   Delete the page in the morning ... I will simply revert it .. we can have another revert war .. ur such a wiki bully. —RealComputers

  • Take the high road, name calling is beneath you. The page gets deleted for all the reasons that I gave you up front. I've also offered an alternative suggestion about your ability to host discussion pages under your userpage's namespace. —JasonAller

2009-07-29 02:18:22   1, 2, 3, 4, I declare a revert war... or not. I should have gone to bed. Have fun with the silliness. —WilliamLewis

2009-07-29 02:19:49   How dare you delete a page that has nothing to do with Davis!?!? I'm so offended, I'm going to write my congressman. We'll see where this takes us just as soon as I receive a return correspondence from him! —JoePomidor

2009-07-29 13:02:59   You're being too kind, you could use lmgtfy! ie, passed on this link: It's a common one on forums. —EdWins

2009-07-29 15:25:18   Same to you. —RealComputers

  • This was in response to "2009-07-29 15:20:28   You get to pick which wikis you participate in, you don't get to pick your fellow editors, but you owe them a measure of respect and some decorum when interacting with them. —JasonAller" after he had been dictating which editors he would interact with and who he would listed to. —JasonAller

2009-07-29 15:56:03   do you know if it is possible to uplaod something like a power point presentation to wiki and make it accesable to otheRs? —RealComputers

  • Yes, it is possible. It might be a better idea to convert it to a Google Doc presentation and then link to it. —JasonAller

I have a power point that explains a lot about computers. I would like to makes it accesable. If its not to much trouble, can you tell me how to do that?

nvm, figured it out. That was pretty easy.

2009-08-02 12:51:36   I know that Iberian Global Language is an effort of a local. However, the entry's only clue that this is local is a Davis address. The entry needs to be related to the rest of Davis and the promotional language that belongs on a website needs to be removed. —WilliamLewis

  • It is also Russell's first edit. A Welcome to the Wiki with some additional guidance might go further than the two includes would. You've been doing a great job on guarding Wiki Spot from spam, and I know it is hard to switch approaches when looking at Recent Changes here. I have to take a moment myself sometimes. —JasonAller

2009-08-02 19:16:22   yup, The Imaginary Zebra is a business, how do we transfer the info to the business template? Thanks —MichelleH

2009-08-04 18:14:50   Not that you need or even want my approval, but I very much like your new Welcome to the Wiki approach. —CovertProfessor

  • Thanks. The Welcome Wagon isn't an exclusive thing, feel free to join in on the fun. —JasonAller
    • Not sure that an anonymous professor makes for the best welcome. But I'll try to throw one in from time to time, or contribute in other ways. —CovertProfessor
  • I concur. -ES

2009-08-05 18:21:40   Welcome to the wiki! —JabberWokky

  • Thanks, I was worried that no one would reach out and make me feel welcome here, but now I don't have to worry about that any longer. ;) —JasonAller

2009-08-06 14:27:47   Oh i didnt realize that made a new page, thanks —RealComputers

2009-08-07 22:18:59   Thank you for the welcome and for adding the links! (Since I am too inexperienced with wiki formatting, besides being lazy...) —AmyChow

2009-08-10 23:30:59   Thanks so much for at least sticking a link on it . . . yeah. That's the least anyone could do, and that's what matters most. —ZN

2009-08-11 21:29:21   Yar! :-) Yep, it does sound like pirate talk! It was on the realtor's website and I'm guessing it stands for Yolo Area Realtors but I don't know for sure... —RichLindvall

2009-08-12 10:50:15   Thanks for moving the page to Woodland Wiki - I wasn't aware there was one! —HeritageManager

2009-08-13 10:05:09   How are you connected to the CA Constitution class? It sounds like a neat idea. —JabberWokky

  • I'm providing wiki support for the class. I'll post more about it on that wiki later. —JasonAller

2009-08-15 12:45:40   Thank you for the Davis Wiki - can you shoot me an email please. Thx —HNR

2009-08-20 09:32:25   Jason, the wiki has been over this topic, and more than once; here, for example. You and I obviously disagree. —CovertProfessor

2009-08-23 14:57:19   Yeah, I imagine that other people will have spelling problems too with that name so a redirect seemed like a good idea. —jsogul

2009-08-23 17:03:14   Thanks. I'm actually still kind of shocked at my own reaction to the situation because it would seem like a small problem. I'm a civilian, not active duty, and I think what has upset me so is the idea of someone who is active in the service being treated this way. —OliviaY

2009-08-26 18:59:36   You wrote on my message page: 2009-08-25 19:17:56 "The Questions page might have pointed you to an alternative place to ask you question about the house." Thanks, I did look for a questions area, but didn't have luck. It's not available from the front page, but when I clicked on your link, a "questions" tab appeared up top. I certainly appreciate it! AirporterDriverPete —AirporterDriverPete

2009-08-28 12:09:29   thanks for the heads up.. ill try to put more detail into it. just felt it was necessary to be written. —alcatraz

2009-08-31 00:23:10   I see, from the description it was kind of hard to tell. Should I revert it? —JoePomidor

2009-09-01 17:28:49   Hi Jason. Thanks for all your work. I'm trying to understand why the Alateen page is treated differently than our Al-Anon page and our ACOA page. Does the format HAVE to be the way you changed it on the Alateen? WIth multiple meetings this would be hard and we hope to have more than one Alateen meeting soon. If this sounds familiar to you, I asked about this earlier and you probably replied, but I've been sick. Now I can't see my question on your page. I'm sorry if you are having to repeat yourself. Can I make Alateen match the other two, with the header and the top or is this taboo somehow? Thanks! Maggie S —DavisAFG

  • I edited the page to adjust the format. At the time there was only one meeting listed so I chose that format, but you can adjust it if additional meetings are needed. —JasonAller

2009-09-02 04:08:19   Hunh? Spammers are now policing themselves? —JabberWokky

2009-09-02 13:23:08   Hey there, I hadn't seen the food poisoning page but I do agree with everything that is said on it. Generally, it has hard to trace back a case of food poisoning to a specific place/time unless multiple cases are reported. I once read a paper about people getting sick at a bunch of weddings and they traced it back to raspberries in the wedding cakes from a particular bakery. However, in this case, seeing people going from totally normal, to vomiting, to normal in a matter of minutes really speaks to something in the food being seriously off. Which is why we reported it to the health department, rather then just not going back to this particular restaurant. They called this morning by the way to follow up, so I am pretty impressed that they processed the online form so quickly. —Zeeba

2009-09-03 10:48:23   "$1 Beers at Sudwerk 9:00PM to midnight Sudwerk $3 cover, then all the dollar cups o' the best beer in Davis that you can drink."

"Dance Party with DJ Larry Rodriguez 10:00PM G Street Pub Spinning funk, soul, reggae, latin grooves, afrobeat, and bhangra at the G Street Pub. No cover! 10PM start, 21+, $1 Pabst. Brought to you by KDVS"

"College Night at Bistro 33 Bistro 33 Featuring $3 well drinks and $5 Long Islands, Adios MoFo's and Jager and great top 40 R&B music in the most upscale atmosphere in town. NO cover charge ever! "

You removed my post about KetMoRee in the reccuring events saying it belonged in happy hour section, but I don't see how these are any more appropraite. I feel that my posting was the same in content to these postings. It is unclear as to why my posting was deleted as the content seemed to directly relate to the content previously posted by similar venues on the same thread. Perhaps you could clear up this ambiguity. Thank you for your time. —Jcurri31

2009-09-03 15:04:11   There are more than just the ones i mentioned and i think that is become a critical part of the page. Weather it was the original intention or not I believe the page has headed in this direction. I would really appreciate it if I was allowed to re add my posts so i can share these events with my fellow community members and daviswiki fans. Thank you


2009-09-03 18:37:54   Defiantly will will work on the links thank you very much. —Jcurri31

2009-09-14 23:59:13   Hi, I'm trying to reactivate my old account ChristopherPKW and you seemed like someone who would know how to do that? —ChristopherPKW

2009-09-16 20:42:58   That pretty much is what she believes. She believes that any sort of advertising of a business that is somewhat officiated (the fact that there are store logos and such being used) should be approved by her and since this was not that it should be taken down. She had another friend attempt to take it down only for someone else to bring it back up. —SunjeetBaadkar

2009-09-17 11:44:09   I would actually like to change todd and barbara photography to Todd & Barbara Photography. Do I need to make a new page to do this? Help, please, and thank you! —arica

2009-09-20 15:59:27   Highlights. —JabberWokky

2009-09-22 18:23:28   Thank goodness for OpenStreetMap. City of Davis bike path vector data was absolutely no good. At some point in the near future I plan on marking all points of interests in the Covell Greenbelt, transferring to OSM, and then of course, making a proper map using that fresh OSM data. I don't directly use OSM to make maps since I don't agree with how the project presents some data. It's totally an art and there's no one way of doing anything :-) (get two cartographers in the same room and I'm sure they'll clash and it'd be great fun!) —RyanMikulovsky

2009-09-22 19:04:01   Hmm...when I try it, I get a seriously long and munged page with non-running javascript code. —IDoNotExist

2009-09-22 21:55:34   Yes. I get the error when I enter Davis, CA or 95616 on that page. I'm using Firefox (or rather, what will become Firefox in the mysterious future...) —IDoNotExist

2009-09-22 22:22:56   Odd that it's such an aggressively postured editor name and the review was actually fair and well written. —JabberWokky

2009-09-28 09:20:02   Hey Jason, I was wondering if you could teach me how to change a picture— the Adobe at Evergreen picture of the monument sign is a defaced picture (someone put it up after altering it) and I was wondering if it would be ok to replace it. Please let me know! Thanks!!

-Nicole (Asst. Manager- Adobe Apartments) —AdobeManagement

2009-10-06 21:11:42   Re: Weiss Group cleanup - done —JimStewart

2009-10-10 13:47:44   On the Measure P page should there be a more neutral picture or a picture of a yes sign as well? —EliYani

2009-10-26 12:26:07   jason please give me your email so you can see what I mean by vandalism. I have a random clip of what happened on friday night. — Khanh This is what happens when you out people. Thanks —Khanh

2009-10-27 14:09:23   Thanks for the note. You were absolutely correct and it has been moved. —MaggeSanger

2009-10-27 14:24:47   Jason....this certainly reads as a threat as well, and I honestly see it start off the chain. Especially in relation to the original edit, which was merely an attempt to add more info to the entry in an attempt to integrate info from the comments, which is actually a normal and encouraged behavior. CP's personal dislike of him is what caused him to want that integration removed. Looking at it again, he ended up merely referencing a comment CP had made elsewhere. CP again wanted it removed: this is actually discouraged wiki behavior I believe, isn't it? In an attributed first person post by Brian, he has every right to mention another wiki posting. Removed from his attributed first person post. Is Brian not allowed to even mention it? What if he threw in the info link as a reference? He ends up compromising rather than arguing, and that brings us back to the first threat.

All in all, come on, it was pretty legitimate editing. Even if he 'counter-threated', in light of what he probably feels is people still picking on him, it's not exactly crazy. Perhaps CP should also apologize for his unwillingness to edit in a positive manner on that issue. Overall, the newbie bashing phase should be over by now, and I think it's more than past the time for most other users to leave the guy alone and let him try (as I think he has been) to be a better 'community member'. —EdWins

2009-10-27 14:56:58   The problem here is that RealComputers initially used Covert's words as as apparent endorsement of his position, and did so without Covert's permission. The quote was copied from another posting that Covert had made, but in the new context, implied an endorsement that Covert clearly does not want to make. The lack of context of the original source is the problem here. I'd consider that an illegitimate use of Covert's words.

The new text references something that Covert said previously (it happens to be the same quote), and uses that to support RealComputers' position. That seems like fair use to me. In this case, RealComputers is not saying that Covert supports his position, only that Covert previously stated an opinion about something that is self contained in the reference.

I strongly disagree with the use of threatening language against Wiki members. —IDoNotExist

  • Well said, and good distinction I failed to notice. -ES

2009-10-27 15:46:00   I only asked him to leave me alone. it was not a threat. —RealComputers

2009-10-27 16:16:03   Thanks bud. —EdWins

2009-10-27 16:45:23   Thank you for the pointer to creating a wiki spot. —Bai

2009-10-27 16:45:46   Davis, thank you for the pointer to creating a wiki spot. —Bai

2009-10-27 20:27:15   Hmm...good point. It would be nice if there were a way to address that, so to speak... —IDoNotExist

2009-10-28 12:35:09   aww! I see. Thank you. —StevenLee

2009-10-28 14:17:02   If you think it should be listed then fine, list it. I think since they do not operate in Davis, they shouldnt be listed. I went through and removed some listing only if they told me directly that they do not do computer repair, if their number is out of service or if they do not operate in Davis. —RealComputers

2009-10-28 18:42:24   Given the time I would have began editing as many pages as I could too. Remember when Davis Wiki was a community wiki and not used for hidden agendas and other questionable purposes? Sigh. —RyanMikulovsky

2009-10-29 22:05:10   Thanks. I took your advice and checked out "wanted pages." Guess which page was listed first? Yep. —robinlaughlin

2009-10-30 19:54:31   I know he was. But some seemed to want it to stay. I'm willing to fix the grammar mistakes that I saw, but not willing to take his side in the revert war — it would be rewarding bad behavior, in my view. —CovertProfessor

2009-11-01 14:28:05   what list? —StevenDaubert

2009-11-03 11:35:07   I do seem to be a little confused, i would like the information about my business to appear when people search for massage....the name of my business is Kay Bodyworks. How can i make that happen? —JeffreyKay

2009-11-04 14:41:34   the name of my business is Kay Bodyworks, and i would prefer if that name appeared on my business page. Also i decided to offer $40 as an introductory rate instead of $50, but i can't seem to find out how to change the rate to $40 on my personal site. How can i do that? —JeffreyKay

2009-11-04 14:43:14   and how to change the name on the business page to Kay Bodyworks —JeffreyKay

2009-11-04 22:07:00   Did you have a long lens on your camera for those derailment pictures? When I went to check it out, the place was taped off and there was a guard from the California Northern Railroad watching the place. —WilliamLewis

  • Only the picture of the engine was taken using the zoom, the rest were just taken pretty normally. There was tape up that said "Fire Line do not cross" and I stayed behind it. —JasonAller

2009-11-05 19:44:05   Quite impressive street work! Took pictures today of Aggie Villa and related streets. 35 mm film. Should be up by 11/15/11. —robinlaughlin

2009-11-05 23:29:36   Isn't Ken's Bike and Ski just a flat store with a wide walkway? —hankim

  • My edit comment was about how the page was laid out, not the business. —JasonAller

2009-11-06 05:27:16   Well, I may be somewhat discouraged from outreach and editing due to recent feedback, but a spammer provides a big juicy target to hammer with all barrels broadside. Visceral joy via action. —JabberWokky

2009-11-06 23:35:40   All pages that have a hard K sound...hmmm —IDoNotExist

2009-11-08 13:22:44   Hi Jason, I'm responding to a comment you left crpike.

Founding date? I guess my subscribe to a minimalist aesthetic. If information isn't useful, don't waste the readers time with it. I don't see how a founding date is of interest to anyone.

As far as removing comments: those comments were all positive, but they concerned classes that no longer take place at my studio. I think they actually would create confusion. So I'd like to start from scratch.

Hope that is OK. —crpike

2009-11-08 15:38:10   This wiki is brought to you by the measure P and the prop 13. —IDoNotExist

  • Or rather, people like Jason and CP who add information about them to the wiki! -jw

2009-11-09 14:11:30   I'm a reporter from the Enterprise writing an article about daviswiki being named the "world's best local wiki." Would like to interview users. I'm writing this for tomorrow's paper, so please call me as soon as you can at 747-8052. —jon.edwards

  • I called him at 4:45, about 2 hours and thirty four minutes after he posted this, but he said that he was facing his deadline and didn't want to ask any questions. —JasonAller

2009-11-09 18:47:20   I know that the founding date and such need to be restored on the Mojo page. I was hoping maybe the owner would do it after we explained why what was removed should remain, but it doesn't look like it has happened yet. Also, the Adobe apartments page had some useful stuff deleted in AssistantManager's attempt to turn the page into a glossy flier. —WilliamLewis

2009-11-10 08:20:47   pretty sure he wanted the progressively smaller type —StevenDaubert

2009-11-10 09:47:23   ...adding this comment just to drop my edit to comment ratio (the spammers help lower my revert ratio)... ;) —JabberWokky

2009-11-10 10:15:27   Yes, there are problems with integrating comments. However, I think if somebody is adding useful information there is no reason to complain. I would much rather have more less-organized information than less information well-organized. —NickSchmalenberger

2009-11-10 11:25:15   I'm a student at Heartland Community College in Normal, IL and i'm writing a paper about whether or not a local wiki would be benficial for my community. I can see that you are highly involved with the DavisWiki and I was wondering if you would consider answering some questions for me? My email is amaurer4 at —amaurer4

2009-11-11 10:49:41   Thanks, Jason, for all you do here as well on other wikis. I appreciate it! Awhile back you created an icon for my "Christian Music Central" wiki Thanks! I just asked Jabberwocky for any advice/help on making that wiki more useful. My goal is for it to be a place for people to link to their favorite Christian artists/music. If you'd have any ideas/suggestions for making it more user friendly I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks! —RichLindvall

2009-11-14 13:51:15   I wonder if street pages could include a macro that embeds the street in google maps... —IDoNotExist

  • You mean the one that already does if you click the Map icon? -jw

2009-11-14 16:21:20   Perhaps like the map button I just spotted on there. :-) Except it would automagically display inline instead of requiring a button press. —IDoNotExist

  • An option for something like [[Address(123 Main, opened)]], where "opened" means that the map is open by default, might make sense for some entries. (Trying to think of an easy easy way to enhance... by the way, Brent is the person to talk to about this, as he was writing a new map system, IIRC). -jw

2009-11-15 11:16:38   whoops. Looks like we had the same idea at the same time. —RyanMikulovsky

2009-11-16 22:29:55   I would suggest specifically stating that you don't want stuff deleted. And the welcome page is not what's unwelcoming. It's other people jumping at you about your first few edits when there aren't clear editing rules (i.e. Don't delete anything). —Nana

2009-11-17 12:46:43

2009-11-19 21:10:22   Yes, but why bother having links to something that isn't real information? If people want information on calculus, they don't need to go to Davis Wiki, and if they want information pertaining to specific Davis Calculus classes, that information is on the UCD mathematics department page, or a page can be created about other schools (e.g. "Davis High School Classes"). A "Calculus Classes Around Davis" page might be interesting, but that's a different issue- not "Calculus", which is a broad definition.

I guess I could have just deleted everything on the page, and left... a definition of calculus... but really, why bother? I mean, I could make a page called "Coffee" with "Coffee is gross. Don't drink it." and then have links to it from coffee shops around Davis. Does the DavisWiki really need to have a bunch of pages of nouns that aren't specific to Davis? I thought the point of Davis Wiki was to help people find information pertaining to Davis, so I don't see how this is really necessary. —JesBisagno

2009-11-20 11:37:34   I'm curious why you gave the username message to sarahpurcell? —NickSchmalenberger

  • I used my identity welcome. It does have a link to username, but isn't directed at that. —JasonAller

2009-11-27 11:00:13   Contrary to popular belief, I do have quite a few demands on my time that do not involve wiki gnoming. —IDoNotExist

  • I guess I figured if you had time to complain about another editor before they had been welcomed you had time to welcome them. It isn't a big time commitment and the value to the community of having welcomes come from a variety of editors is really beneficial. —JasonAller
    • In the non-existent one's defense, I think there was a serious question about whether the editor you are talking about was in fact Brian T. or an associate. I certainly was not going to welcome him/her under those circumstances. —cp
      • In most cases I think that if the edits of a new users have been reverted then it is only fair to balance that out with an explanation of why their edit was undone. No point complaining about them if you aren't willing to educate them, right? Several of my comments to IDoNotExist have been in response to comments where they were commenting on other people's signal to noise ratios or ban statuses. —JasonAller
        • Fair enough. —cp

2009-11-27 14:32:16   I don't see welcoming people to the wiki as necessarily a part of gnoming. I see that being more fixing spelling and syntax errors, often invisibly to those who make the errors, hence the fantastic "gnome". I think welcoming new users has its place also, especially when somebody contributes something really cool, but I think its more of a personally distinct thing than gnoming which anyone can do fairly similarly. I think both can be helpful and important though. —NickSchmalenberger

2009-11-27 15:25:38   I agree with Nick. Wiki editing is something that lots of people do, each in their own way. The end result is a sort of average of all of the contributions. I appreciate the work that you put into the wiki, and that you want to maintain certain standards and processes in it. But other people may prefer to contribute in different ways, at different rates, and at different times. I think that it's important to allow people to contribute in the ways in which they feel most comfortable and happy. —IDoNotExist

2009-11-30 20:29:45   To all concerned,

The argument of this matter of affiliation poses detriment to my company both financially and pertaining to trust/character. It would be greatly appreciated that speculative arguments are saved for the proper place of facilitation. I will assure that the wiki pertaining to my company is filled with factual information and not speculation. I urge you all legally.


  • Evan, my name is Jason; I'm not "To all concerned". I'm an editor here, just like you are. We share common access and are able to influence the community norms that have been established on this wiki equally. Those same community norms have evolved over time and have tended to work pretty well. Every now and then someone comes to the wiki who starts off at odds with those norms. Right now that person is you. You can either read Welcome to the Wiki and ask questions about how things work around here, or choose not to. If you do read it and ask questions I assure you that you'll find plenty of people who will answer questions and try to help you out. If you choose to ignore the people who are reaching out to you no amount of legal threats is going to undo the damage you'll be doing to yourself. The reason is that this is a public venue and your behavior here reflects upon you both as a person, and as a business owner. —JasonAller

2009-12-12 11:06:12   What exactly about my (APEX Cycles) shop's wiki page make it a violation of the for profit restrictions? Please let me know so i can fix it. I looked at other businesses, and I don't see a difference. I removed my service price list, but the bike barn list prices for their rentals, along with wheelworks listed their prices in the comments section, is that OK? All of these pages are direct or indirect advertisements for the businesses they represent. So to specifically site mine in the for profit restrictions page as a violator intrigues me. How would you look to edit the page to better fir the wiki guidelines? I love the wiki as it is a wonderful form of indirect advertising for the shop and would like to keep using it as such. But more over, the page not only is a brief glimps into what APEX Cycles offers, but who we are in and outside of the shop. I thought that was what it was for, to educate people about whats in Davis. —Aaron.Curtin

  • Everyone is still figuring out how the Wiki Community/For Profit Restrictions really affect us. Did someone tell you that your page was in violation? Oops, I went looking and see where I moved an unsigned comment by Philip between pages that named Apex directly. —JasonAller

2009-12-12 18:12:32   The only thing I can think A&E stands for is Arts and Entertainment? Also, the link you gave me seems to be only be selling products. Did I miss something? —hankim

2009-12-21 16:52:53   Thanks for the welcome! I'll do better in the future to bring style to my comments :) —UnbiasedThirdParty

2009-12-22 16:35:16   see ttl

that was hilariously ruthless, keep up the great work —StevenDaubert

2009-12-29 12:21:58   Yes I have. We changed our office hours. —NikiRose

2009-12-29 12:34:39   Ooooo, okay! I just thought it was ok because of the General Rule. General rule: "If something's educational then it is always okay, even if it might otherwise be considered promotional toward a for-profit business...Instruction or training of the individual for the purpose of improving or developing his capabilities or the instruction of the public on subjects useful to the individual and beneficial to the community...Don't stress over this."

We will also add the extended office hours into the text for blind people. Thanks for the tip! —NikiRose

2009-12-31 12:13:24   If some person creates a new account to post links to a non-local business, it's link spamming, regardless of the relevance. If a community really uses a website, an established member of the community can add the link. —WilliamLewis

2010-01-03 11:51:08   Thank you for all your help with the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Academy! —NickAttanasio

2010-01-04 19:54:16   Good, I was wondering! I don't know much about hair salons and such, but I do know that "who has the customers" can be a big issue when someone leaves. Add that to all the previous weirdness on the Abella page and something just doesn't smell right. —CovertProfessor

2010-01-05 13:16:02   Please help me understand why you make changes to my page? I checked with Evan Edwards, he was the one who suggested I copy all the comments from Roxie's old page to her new one. The wiki cops seem to take quite a bit of license in deciding what does and what doesn't go on a page. Is there a rule book somewhere that I can reference? "Roxie at David's Haircutting" is not a "departed business." The business is still there; Roxie has opened her own salon. What happens to all those comments when the wiki cops decide to retire the page completely? —patquinn

  • Pat, I make changes to the wiki. I don't own any of these pages, neither do you. Evan doesn't provide authoritative answers about what occurs on the wiki, because he is an editor just like you are. Who are these wiki cops that you refer to? I've never met one. You can join in the discussion with the rest of the Wiki Community to help guide the community norms by which the wiki operates, but there isn't a rule book. I fight pretty hard to keep pages from getting deleted. If you don't believe me check my edit history. —JasonAller

2010-01-05 22:47:07   Hi Jason, in regards to your 2010-01-05 21:10:46 comment to me, crpike. I transferred the line in question, "Looking to get fit? Davis offers man....", to the new Pilates Flow Fitness page. As for the Mojo Flow Studio page, this studio isn't really a gym or fitness center, it is currently a multi-use space, so I wasn't sure the line is appropriate at that page. Hope you can agree? Chris —crpike

2010-01-08 19:41:42   Luther is clearly the same person as — they made nearly the same comment on the Abba Salon and Spa page. So what's the point? We already said something about not writing fake reviews. I suppose we could say something about sockpuppets. —CovertProfessor

2010-01-08 22:30:37   If you think it is worth restoring the comment, I won't object. From my point of view, though, the whole escapade rings false. —CovertProfessor

2010-01-08 22:48:09   Yeah, I todo'ed the ECE entry myself for heavy editing, something along the lines of my spam seo notices on Wiki Spot, only less "banner"-ish and more education/offer of help. Seems to be a ton of underhanded or well intentioned but utterly commercial use of the wiki so far this year. —JabberWokky

  • It is the Self Interest Single Topic EditoRs(SISTERs) with organizational account names that have been real problems. A SISTER editing under their real name at least gives the impression that they might transition into a net positive. Those editing under organizational account names never seem to make that transition. I really am disappointed at the direction that the Wiki Community/Organizational accounts page took. Had there been a clear community consensus about the issue we could have reworked the sign up page to make that clearer and a lot of hassle could have been avoided. —JasonAller

2010-01-09 14:23:36   You're surely right about wanting to give people a fresh start. As you say, I just get frustrated with the SISTERs. Some people seem to have no interest in editing the wiki other than to promote a particular business, no matter how many "fresh starts" they've been given. But I will try to err on the side of optimism a bit more. Maybe Luther can be turned into a productive wikizen.

As for being called a "wiki cop," I took that with a grain of salt. But seeing how others were bothered by it, and giving it more thought, it occurred to me that what is really going on is someone barging into a community without thinking they need to find out how things are generally done — and then when they are called on it, demand to see the person in charge and a list of hard-and-fast rules. They're told that there aren't any such — that there are general practices, but that these are determined by consensus of whoever wants to participate — but that falls on deaf ears. They are so sure that *they* are the ones who have been wronged (thus, the "wiki cop" comment) and can't be bothered with actually working with the rest of us to get things right.

The best analogy I can think of is a roommate who moves in and starts playing loud music late at night without seeing if that's OK. Did the other roommates have a rule against that? Well, no, but it's damn rude and it goes against the previous practice. Then the person with the bad behavior accuses others of being cops when the person playing the loud music was really the one at fault for not finding out what the practice was.

I guess what I am trying to point out is the irony of the "wiki cop" comment. —CovertProfessor

2010-01-13 20:20:44   Yeah, I've always felt you do too much "behind the scenes" work to be given that junk. What's hilarious is that I reread both your comments, and yours was super simple: "have you met (whoever)". Lame! —EdWins

2010-01-14 12:35:33   Thanks for the suggestion, but the reason I didn't want to start a new page, because Polly has great comments, same prices, same info, etc. Is there another way to change the name or is it wrong to keep the name and just change the location? I understand to edit under my personal account, but i didn't think about that when i logged in ;) —NinasStudio

2010-01-17 11:15:27   I think MikeZiser has already established his identity on the wiki fairly well. —NickSchmalenberger

2010-01-19 21:54:46   E×ample. —JabberWokky

2010-01-20 00:07:30   Do you think a "needs better photo" include could be useful? I know Photo requests is pretty long already. I've been working on some, but the weather just sucks now. —WilliamLewis

  • I understand the idea, but I'm not sure it would be useful until the Photo requests start getting filled. If there were a few more motivated photographers out there then it would be useful, but right now the number of people uploading photos is no where near the number that have cameras on their cell phones. I know I haven't been taking as many photos as I once did, I need to make it a habit again. —JasonAller
    • Since it's so very very easy to propose stuff when you have a geographic reason not to participate, I seldom do, but a photo party (meet, map, go, return, compare notes), and a fundraiser are both things that would be really nice. (Talk is cheap, so I feel bad even bringing it up without being able to back it with action). -jw

2010-01-20 18:09:37   Thanks. It's easier when the person starts off politely, as this one did. —CovertProfessor

2010-01-20 18:36:34   Sure, we can definitely move Loaves & Fishes to the Sac wiki. I just fleshed out a little info on it because it was on the wanted pages list, and it's related to the vet school via the Mercer Pet Clinic. —TomGarberson

2010-01-20 18:40:15   how do I create a subpage? or could you point me to where to go to find out? thanks! —il

2010-01-20 18:54:36   Sounds good! I'm headed out shortly, but I'll take a look at it tomorrow and move it on over. —TomGarberson

2010-01-21 14:44:24   Gave me a chuckle with "might lessen the pavlovian responses that some editors have to your current account name." —EdWins

2010-01-21 19:58:18   Hey thanks for making my new pages more robust with all the links and such. As for Hall of Fame "Class of 20xx", that means the year the person was inducted, not that the inductees were chosen by that graduating class. "Class of 20xx" is the wordage used by the Pro Football HoF, but maybe "20xx Inductees" would be less confusing? And in old business, I was definitely happy you showed me colors, I feel vindicated indeed. Thanks for all your help making me less of a WikiNoob! —WillArnold

2010-01-21 23:03:16   thank you for creating the FARM subsection! yay! —il

2010-01-21 23:16:19   Whoops, I forgot about changing Loaves & Fishes over to Sacramento. Thanks, Jason! —TomGarberson

2010-01-25 10:19:49   Thanks for the welcome and info. Risky is not my legal name, but plenty of people call me that in person and online. I will post a photo and some personal info to my page later tonight. —Risky

2010-01-26 20:37:17   Dog TrainersWilliamLewis

2010-01-27 03:35:07   It's starting to feel a bit like like there's some, "I'm going to hammer my complaints until I hear something that lets me get my way". Ostrowikian. Which, as a word, is amusingly synthetic looking (Ostro, as in southern wind + Wiki, from WikiWiki). But yes, I can understand the sapping of zeal from the general tone of late. —JabberWokky

2010-01-27 18:11:53   Actually, the UCD Bookstore does allow backpacks in there now. —hankim

2010-01-27 20:06:01   Hey Jason, am I right in guessing that I shouldn't miscellaneous photos from other websites to stick on the wiki? For example, Vanguard has a great photo of the Montessori Day Care Center. Presumably, no pulling that? —TomGarberson

2010-01-27 20:17:21   Thanks Jason! IP wasn't really my area of expertise, so I couldn't really say. I'll just err on the side of not stepping on anyone's IP toes. —TomGarberson

2010-02-03 19:32:56   2010-02-03 18:31:03 Regarding your question about my removal of Dave's portfolio: Unfortunately, Dave Richardson decided to move back in with his folks down in Southern California. We are super bummed that he is not working at Primary Concepts any anymore, as is he. It was a bit too hard to find employment up here for his wife, and they could not afford it. I have decided not to discuss the reasons WHY employees leave or come to our shop on the Wiki. It's not necessarily things the general public needs to know. I have gotten comments from admins in the past about this exact same thing in the past. I'll be more clear (to an extent) on our page in the future. —KaiSmart

2010-02-03 20:27:54   Since we are in the business of art I don't think advertising art that you can't get at our shop would be a good idea. It would misrepresent what we offer. Maybe links to that past employees new place of business/personal site would work better? I also am uploading a new (though smaller) portfolio for our apprentice right now. Hopefully that will add the "something" back to our page. I try to keep everything as current and comprehensive as possible. Thanks for your attention though! —KaiSmart

  • Oh, I don't see the Wiki as advertising. I see it in terms of a collaboratively edited, interconnected community effort to explore, discuss and compile anything and everything about Davis — especially the little, enjoyable things. As such it is interesting to note that Stephen Hawking appeared at the Mondavi Center, even though you can't get tickets to see him there any more. In the same way I find it an interesting point about Primary Concepts that David Richardson once worked there. —JasonAller

2010-02-03 21:33:33   Looks like you had the same idea as me about the tattoo place, good idea! —NickSchmalenberger

2010-02-04 18:45:42   It's the UC Davis Law Review in the same way that there is the California Aggie and The Flatlander. Yes, UC Davis is redundant because there is only one law review that Davis Wiki cares about. But, that's the name of the publication, no? —WilliamLewis

  • Yeah, this is accurate... it's the name of the publication, not just a descriptor. When I saw the page, my first thought was that it should be switched to the full name, but I decided to wait and see what folks said about it. —TomGarberson

2010-02-04 19:09:20   I guess the wiki is only as good as *you* make it —StevenDaubert

2010-02-04 19:10:01   zing! —StevenDaubert

2010-02-06 18:31:44   Thanks for your help! Wasn't sure if it was standard to use the talk bubble at the top to link to talk pages or to link directly from the text as well. —Carl

2010-02-07 12:48:11   Hey Jason, thanks for fixing my mistakes for Davis Aikikai. Do comments have to be oldest first? As much as I respect everyone's right to a comment, our first comment is an incredibly negative one - not the norm for students of the class, yet it gets great publicity and precedence just by its position.... it would be nice if that negative "don't go here" post didn't have to ALWAYS show up on google as the second direct link to the aikikai page. I'm not trying to get rid of it, but it would be nice if it didn't have to have more weight than every other comment. Do you have any suggestions? —WendySmyerYu

  • The comment is archived, the person who left it established no identity, and the comment was responded to by other people with identity who put it in context. Personally I don't give any weight to comments that come from editors that haven't bothered to establish a sense of identity; they are nameless voices shouting random things in the dark to amuse themselves. —JasonAller
    • Ok, fair 'nuff and totally sensible... thanks! WendySmyerYu

2010-02-07 13:42:20   duplicate comment removed, sorry...—WendySmyerYu

2010-02-08 21:02:38   Nice and not wiki savvy beats nasty and not wiki savvy. Of course, wiki savvy makes for fewer follow up edits and explanations... —JabberWokky

2010-02-09 21:28:24   The page has been readopted? —hankim

2010-02-09 22:32:16   Do you think williamliuphotography is a problematic organizational account? It looks like pretty much like a real name to me. —NickSchmalenberger

2010-02-11 21:52:46   If nothing else, I've learned from the wiki that ignorance tends to move in predictable patterns, while actually malicious people are few and far between. —JabberWokky

2010-02-12 08:30:37   No way, thank you Jason. I've watched you gnome and take care of this wiki for over 5 years now. Cheers. —EdWins

2010-02-12 08:50:08   I get petty too <.< —EdWins

Hi Jason, My name is Karen Mattis and I manage the Arbors Apartments in Davis...I want to remove the older/faded photo monument sign on our wiki page but it looks like you put it back on why? Let me know. Thanks!

2010-02-13 19:16:49   No. How was this done? What was the outcome? —IDoNotExist

2010-02-13 19:50:06   Cool. Thanks! —IDoNotExist

2010-02-14 22:25:35   Is this a bug, then? It appears that the user may exist. —WilliamLewis

2010-02-15 10:33:44   I generally prefer not to act unilaterally on the Wiki, nor do I know its whole structure (in fact, you have previously complained when I created pages that duplicated existing structure), nor do I have a huge amount of time to spend on wiki editing. Hence, I tend to propose ideas and seek consensus first.

As I've stated before, different people prefer to interact with the Wiki in different ways. I hope that you will understand that not everyone will edit it in the way that you prefer. I also hope that you won't tell people what they should or should not have figured out in the future. It comes across as demeaning, whether or not that is how you intended it. —IDoNotExist

  • At 1800+ edits you can't say you don't spend time editing the wiki. Yes, different people do interact with the wiki in different ways. What I was pointing out to you was that you've chosen to spend time here, chime in on issues as a fellow high edit count editor, and yet you are often at the edges of the garden leaning on a shovel making suggestions about what other editors should be doing rather than getting your hands dirty. If you would use the search box as often as you use the comment box you'd rarely run into problems creating pages and could contribute to the wiki in proportion to your edit count.

    It is a little like voting; if you don't vote you don't get to complain. Here on the wiki if you pontificate and don't make a corresponding investment of effort, don't expect your words to carry any weight. I'm asking you as a fellow editor to step up and learn to use the tools in the forum where you share so many of your opinions. —JasonAller

In the past few days, I've started a major initiative on the wiki to get Gigabit speed broadband to Davis, reported a number of bugs, added a new mystery picture, and made various corrections to existing pages. It would be hard to say that I don't contribute, significantly, to the wiki. I do not have the time or desire to personally implement everything that I suggest. It's not the center of my life, and I have many obligations. However, that doesn't mean that the ideas are not valid or useful, and I'd rather see them implemented by *someone* than not at all. That's one of the great things about a wiki. There are many ways to contribute. If I choose to contribute differently than you do, or using a different style than you do, that is my choice. —IDoNotExist

2010-02-15 13:00:13   What is the point in having a link that doesn't really exist? I can understand having links so pages are connected, but doing this stuff just to keep stuff off orphan pages or keep pages off of zero outgoing links is kinda silly and completely unnecessary. —WilliamLewis

It's an inverted link to automatically create lists. I'm wondering if it can be added to the bottom in a more editor friendly method... something like

Invisible links are stupid, end of story. Links are meant to be clicked. "

I think I came up with it as a way to tag things for inverted links. It is a "come here" link, rather than a "go to" link. See Cleanup. I'm also not sure they make the best sense in this case, but I'm happy to let Jason flesh it out and see how it works when it's done. -jw

2010-02-17 21:54:05   I had no idea the student lounge had a name! Or is that a part of the expansion? —TomGarberson

  • It is the existing one in the basement; it has a name. I'll get a better photo of the framed description of her life. —JasonAller

2010-02-18 00:38:49   "swapped address macro for directions, page now has map" ...Neat :) —Josix

2010-02-18 01:05:21   Please cut me some slack as it was my first attempt editing a daviswiki page. My mistake was to type the info in Word and then copy and paste into form. When I saw it was changed, I thought my changes didn't work and re-wrote it. The second time I realized WilliamLewis was reverting to restore links. Again, adding bullets that the wiki formatting has provided is really not very glossy (IMO). Many users choose to use their real names and many do not. —Josix

2010-02-19 00:07:23   I actually managed to "correct" it to 'clam' again when I went in to fix it. —JabberWokky

2010-02-19 07:48:07   Clearly it's a Freudian slip. Just admit you'd rather tell someone to 'clam up'! It's time to bring that back. —EdWins

2010-02-19 17:09:13   Damn, your good. I thought the last one was solved. How do I find out? —DagonJones

2010-02-19 21:08:55   Like people have multiple ideas in a decentralized, uncoordinated environment. That's the way Wikis work. —IDoNotExist

2010-02-19 23:28:36   Hi Jason. Seems like my lack of experience with wiki has caused a bit of tension, and I would like to apolgize. I understand that this is not our page, and it is setup to be a public forum. All changes made are only to clarify what La Salle is all about. All items have been addressed, and I will make sure to explain any changes in the future. Thanks —chernandez

2010-02-20 15:59:42   Hi Jason, thanks for the welcome. —foo

2010-02-20 19:52:58   You're right, it probably won't have any impact at all. —foo

2010-02-21 17:42:31   Thanks for doing the page. It's really striking to see it all there. —CovertProfessor

2010-02-21 18:42:47   Holy crap! I had forgotten how much had transpired with Brian and I was involved in most of it! —WilliamLewis

2010-02-21 21:01:06   Impressive work! That long comment archive was an interesting re-read. I had some 20+ comments, most of them bending over backwards to help educate and compromise. Oh my. Also, I didn't comment the other night, but you left a comment asking if someone throws rocks at hornets nest that made me laugh for a few minutes. I could just imagine the grimace on your face before you wrote it. —EdWins

2010-02-21 23:12:46   Wow... I had no idea there was already so much history with RC when I became aware of him. After reading through that, I take back the couple of comments I made around the start of 2010 about some people needing to be more patient. You guys are freaking saints! —TomGarberson

2010-02-23 09:58:20   Jason, JW: Kemble Pope has asked us to determine who should attend the first Google Fiber steering committee meeting, which will be held on March 3rd. The representative will not be coming to speak *for* the Wiki, but should be able to take a leadership role in directing the Wiki effort. —IDoNotExist

  • I thought that you'd want to attend? You started the initiative, right? —JasonAller

2010-02-23 20:33:33   Are you suggesting that I acting heavy-handedly towards tommieW? I feel as though I spent quite a bit of time trying to explain things to him, politely, even after he yelled at me, so I am a bit annoyed to be criticized, frankly. If your suggestion is that I swooped in too quickly, my thought was to try to engage him while he was looking at the wiki, rather than leave a comment that he might not see for weeks. —CovertProfessor

  • Sorry! No, I wasn't trying to imply that you did anything wrong. I was just trying to explain to TommieW that in general it is hard for all seasoned editors to try to help out new users. I certainly haven't figured out the magic method to know when to hold back and when to pounce. If I wait too long I worry that I'm letting them waste their efforts if their edits clearly won't fit; and if I pounce too soon I worry that I give them a negative impression of the wiki. We've all had new editors give us replies that hurt... you happened to catch the brunt of this one. I fact I really liked the wording of your first comment to them. —JasonAller
    • Ok, thanks. I guess I am a bit touchy after all that! It may just be that there are some people who will react no matter what is said — they want control of the page and no way of explaining it to them is going to make them like it. —CovertProfessor
      • I am pretty sure that they were unaware of their userpage until you linked it from the business page; which may explain some of their words. —JasonAller
        • Yeah, it explains the yelling — I understood that. But I am still baffled about the reaction to the "out house" comment! —CovertProfessor

2010-02-23 22:31:19   Jason, do you know if it would be easy/feasible to set up some sort of optional e-mail notification system for comments on a user page? It seems like there have been quite a few times in the past couple of months when it would have come in handy. —TomGarberson

  • Not in the current version of the software. Hopefully in the rewrite Philip will do account activation by sending people e-mail tokens, or use openID and we will be able to feel more secure that they've given us a real e-mail address. Alternatively, and this is what I prefer, perhaps we will have an AJAX agent on the page that will allow us to do real time notification in a much more visible manner. —JasonAller
    • Gotcha, good to know. Thanks! -tg

2010-02-23 23:39:52   The best was the one where we kind of arbitrarily decided on calendar dates. Otherwise, there's no real hard and fast rule written up (in fact, the discussion kind of went in the direction that an intentional "each case is unique" approach was a good idea). If an entry about it is written up, it should be carefully written lest someone point at it as "the Rules" to violate common sense ("The dayshift manager changed, so we have the right to archive!"). Personally, incidentally, I use Nobu Hiro as my "Gold Standard" when I archive. (Oh, and yes... I am aware I made an orphan... kinda hoping when somebody links it they add something more to it). —JabberWokky

2010-02-23 23:42:59   I swear the term "calendar year" was in the discussion, but I can't find it. There is, however, a rather fruitful back and forth discussion somewhere that could be beneficial if somebody wants to write it up. —JabberWokky

2010-02-24 09:29:05   The hints are part of the puzzle, and quite a few people, including many wiki regulars, have been posting messages saying how much they like puzzles like this. —IDoNotExist

  • I like puzzles as well. The reason I pointed you toward the rules was that they are there to keep the game fun for both the editor who puts up a picture and the editors that are trying to guess what the picture is. Daubert was pointing out your tendency to skew that balance to the point where you come off more like Rumpelstiltskin than a fellow editor. A 64x65 pixel image that is out of focus isn't really in the spirit of the game. Double digit hints that come with more than a hint of "look at how smart I am" start draining the fun out of the process. Personally I think there shouldn't be a Mystery Picture/Unsolved page. —JasonAller
  • A rather large number of people have said that they really like this particular one. The image is small and blurry because I happened to take the picture with a camera phone with the intention of using the sign as the clue. Unfortunately, I don't always have my good camera with me when I find something that would make an interesting mystery picture. Had a made the image significantly larger (ie. had I included the background), the location would have been immediately obvious, and there would have been no mystery at all. The riddles are all designed as puzzles in themselves. You might think of this as a whole series of interrelated puzzles. Each new one adds a clue, but at the same time is designed to avoid just coming out with the answer. I could say "You can do at this location", for example, and it would be completely obvious what the location was. That wouldn't be fun. In fact, it's quite challenging to come up with clues that don't give away something that would immediately be associated with the location in question, but that if read properly, give a good hint about what I'm talking about. Many clues have double meanings. Most follow a central theme, making each one a clue to the others. The hints are not intended to say anything about me in particular. They are intended to require some thought. Also, I should note that the mystery picture has remained largely idle for the past half a year to a year, with very few pictures posted and very low interest in guessing. This picture has engaged more of the Wiki community than any other for many months. Different people are working on different aspects of the puzzle. People have come to me with guesses offline. Many have posted complements on it. Yeah, some people don't like this style of puzzle, but do you see this level of interest in really simple ones? Do you see many other people posting pictures at all? —IDoNotExist

2010-02-24 19:30:25   yeah, I thought the addition might look a bit stupid, I just wanted people to know what he did. I think the page explains it well. Steve is an aquaintence of mine who has helped me with a lot of home repair advice. He really is a great guy. —DagonJones

2010-02-24 21:24:18   I dont think the lowercase is important to him, he is a self described as "computer illiterate" so he probably forgot to capitalize. —DagonJones

2010-02-26 09:43:31   you are right about the opposition to fluoride, I added a bit. I mostly coppied and pasted the article from the SDDS website, I have been hoping for it to bee a seed that everyone could then update with davis specific info and start some discussion. —DagonJones

2010-02-27 23:44:23   What I had in mind was that Tanya would pick one and delete the others. If it stayed that way for a week or more, I think someone else deleting some of the pages would make more sense. However, I'm happy with the way it is now also, I hope there are no hard feelings. Deleting is all that really needed to eventually happen, and maybe merging could help, but I think making fun of it was pushy, rude, and unhelpful. Why not just be patient? —NickSchmalenberger

2010-03-02 08:40:36   Hey Jason, I know I used to be a relatively vocal critic on some of your wiki philosophies (back during the whole "real name" stuff, which later morphed into "identity" which I think is better) but I want to say I appreciate your gnoming. Over the years, you continually have gone above and beyond in trying to improve communications and improve the wiki, and always been a friendly, compromising member, both on the wiki and in person. —EdWins

2010-03-03 07:02:50   You are quite vigilant looking after the Wiki at 7:00AM in the morning. —hankim

  • A little here, a little there, makes the total amount of work easier to handle. —JasonAller

2010-03-03 23:32:36   I didn't look at Front Page/Talk yet. As you probably saw, I removed something from the news section that didn't look right and wasn't news. I thought about the 'Outreach' code that you mentioned and guess I'll go ahead and change it now. —BruceHansen

2010-03-03 23:51:23   What do you think if 'Outreach' heading was changed to 'Wiki Announcements' and that page was created with its comment? —BruceHansen

2010-03-04 00:31:18   Looking at Front Page/Talk I saw that years ago probably at about the same time I made 6 comments. I guess I'll make the change I just proposed; then comment at Front Page/Talk. —BruceHansen

2010-03-06 01:09:02   why the fatigue? —JessicaRockwell

2010-03-24 23:08:46   is there a way to search photo requests on the map so you can get a bunch in the same area? —DagonJones

2010-03-26 21:05:34   We all need a wiki vacation from time to time, but just in case you were wondering — you are missed. —CovertProfessor

  • My brain is all fuzzy with cold medicine right now, so I've got nothing more eloquent than a big fat ditto! -tg

2010-03-31 20:14:58   Welcome back, Jason! We missed you. I notice that you're breaking your own timeframe by a good 4 hours, though... for shame! Got 0 outgoing links section pretty much cleared out... I had forgotten that page even existed. —TomGarberson

2010-04-01 18:12:34   Welcome back!

Not sure if this is today-related, but the redirects you're deleting can (and often are) linked from external websites, so keeping them around can be useful. —PhilipNeustrom

2010-04-01 19:46:13   Please, seriiously explain to me why you and William Lewis continually are changing the info on The Arbors wiki page....PLEASE STOP!!! Or explain to me WHY you are making the changes.... —KarenMattis

2010-04-03 13:13:00   The picture on Outdoor Davis' page keeps changing to let our customers (and potential customers) know about sales and events we have going on in the store. Anyone making changes like that is an employee of the store. Please stop changing them and classifying the changes as vandalism. Thank you. —likenoother11

2010-04-04 15:52:45   Dixon Wiki barely seems to be functioning; there are far more Dixon entries on the Davis Wiki than the Dixon Wiki. Someday maybe I'll work on that, but for now Dixon is a wiki-suburb of Davis IMO. —DonShor

2010-04-13 19:05:32   Actually, I don't see why the April Fools stuff should be deleted. Isn't it part of the wiki's history? —CovertProfessor

  • There is actually a method for taking care of those pages: Wiki/April Fool's Day. But nobody did it. —JasonAller

    • Never ascribe to malice or laziness what can be chalked up to ignorance. —cp

2010-04-14 19:07:29   In case you are wondering why I reverted blackrooster's page:

2010-04-15 21:51:04   Hi Jason, yes I do know Tim Quick - that's how I just found out that you'd left a question on my Wiki user page that he set up for me. By the way, why do you ask? —Vaage

2010-04-20 18:17:27   Hi David, Thank you for backing me up on john deleting my comment on the pi alpha phi page! —David.Tran

2010-04-21 17:54:50   The plot thickens. Maybe it's a John Lofland impersonator. :O But in all seriousness, I think it must be him because he made an edit regarding his own website. Maybe he forgot his account info or something and didn't realize how to retrieve it. —ScottMeehleib

2010-04-26 20:28:12   Nice idea with the cheesesteak entry. Had a phenomenal one this past weekend at a gas station with a full restaurant in it. That's the kind of place you either regret or return to. Some of the best bread I've ever tasted. (As I read this comment out to Sarah, she replies "Ahhh... such good bread"). She's a fan of their pretzel bread. —JabberWokky

2010-04-26 23:51:06   Why would you do something so horrible? Creating a cheesesteak entry while I am on a cut... Sadly, there are no specialty cheesesteak shops in Davis like there are in downtown San Jose... —hankim

2010-04-27 06:30:01   cockroaches hide from the light? —EdWins

2010-04-28 14:18:52   I'm tempted to replace the entire section with the following:


If only there was way to insert the sound of somebody thrashing around, running into walls. —JabberWokky

2010-05-01 21:30:20   Can you elaborate on your question? I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be looking for there... —IDoNotExist

  • Other editors took care of cleaning up both pages and extending a welcome to the new editor. —JasonAller

2010-05-01 21:40:41   Ahh.. OK. I see what you are talking about. Under the proposed method, they would start out with some number of points. Since the edits they made were (largely) bad, they would probably be flagged by someone, who would click on the appropriate explanation to use. (Probably something on welcome to the wiki and something on "here's why you don't go around deleting stuff on pages like that".) If this was the first time someone had done something like that, the explanation might not be there yet, so it would get added to the list of existing ones so it wouldn't have to be added again. A good editor would probably treat that as one event, since they weren't being malicious, probably didn't know any better, and were making the same mistake repeatedly, so they might only lose half their points once. A less patient editor might flag all the messages, causing the user to lose most of their points in a hurry. (If all of the edits were done back to back, no editor may have seen them before all 5 were done.) Flagging would cause the appropriate message to appear at the top of the user's page. The user could chose to pay attention to the warnings or not. If they persisted, they'd lose the ability to edit in a hurry. If they made some good edits, they'd slowly gain their points back. —IDoNotExist

  • I'm wasn't referring to the method. I was giving you an opportunity to demonstrate your ability to handle a new editor on a one to one basis. You spend a lot of time expressing your opinion and less time making improvements on the wiki. I wanted to give you a chance to shift that ratio. —JasonAller

    • You two seem to spend a lot of time butting heads. Frankly, I'm not sure that it's good for anyone. You see many things differently, including how to contribute to the wiki, but you also agree on many things. I'd like to suggest that you both just appreciate the others' contributions — whatever they are — and leave it at that. —cp

      • It used to be that ideas could be discussed on the wiki and that consensus could be built. There was an understanding among those who participated in those discussions about moving toward a workable solution. Today I learned a lesson about how the wiki has changed. I'm tired of making sure that pages have both incoming and outgoing links. I'm tired of going through a spammer's edit history to revert out their changes. I'm tired of being treated like a bad guy for having tried to extend welcomes to new editors. In the past when I've gotten tired I've taken self imposed wiki vacations; If I end up taking one right now it will be my last. I'll serve out my term as Secretary on the Wiki Spot board, but that will be it. —JasonAller

        • Jason, I really hope that's not the case. I for one very much value your contributions to the wiki, and frankly, I'm not sure what it would be without you. I realize that you shoulder far too great a share of the burdens and that's not fair. We should all be picking up more slack. Having said that, though, I doubt there was some idealistic time when everyone all agreed. Part of moving towards a workable solution can involve some disagreement and back-and-forth along the way. Criticism can be a productive way of moving towards a better solution. Again, I hope you stick around. You started a good discussion about how to make everyone's life better — why not see it through? —cp

          • You, Han, Tom and several others have both picked up quite heavy loads as well. This wiki can't survive without a diverse and healthy set of gnomes; right now there aren't enough active gnomes to handle the workload. Any gnome who gnomes both here and gnomes the Recent Wikis page at wiki spot is at greater risk of burnout. As to the discussions in the past, it wasn't that everyone agreed, far from it. The discussions benefited from the diversity of ideas brought to the table and the manner in which people exchanged ideas. Today's discussion lacked diversity of input in comparison to those of the past. In addition the balance between criticism and constructive criticism was off in my opinion. I can't take another wiki vacation so soon after my latest and longest one without it running into a timeline of events that will cause it to be permanent. There are things happening behind the scene that would cause being on wiki vacation to have too deep an impact. —JasonAller

            • I agree we're a little short-handed at the moment, though it seems to wax and wane. (Perhaps that's another conversation to have, about ways to boost productive wiki gnoming). We didn't have much participation in the conversation yesterday, but we've got a few more voices today and I'm still hopeful something can be worked out. I think it's also worth remembering that it's easy to read more into the tone of someone's criticism than perhaps was intended. I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, but again, I hope we figure out a solution that enables you to stick around for awhile longer. —cp

    • I'm sorry to hear you feel like you're burning out Jason, but I don't blame you: you are. Years ago you took up the mantle of the Wiki Defender, and I actually do check a lot of other wikis and see you running around. It's simply too much for you, and the fact that you've been doing it for years is insane dedication and demonstrates clear love for the wiki concept. I've certainly butted heads with you in the past, but hopefully I've also worked with you far, far more over the last five years. I've seen your approaches and philosophies evolve, and certainly some in the right directions (ie, I think your newer "welcome" pages were constantly improving over the last few years, and I'm pretty sure I've commented on that). However, again, it's too much for one person. The wiki is online, and as much as we'd like to imagine the Davis Wiki to be like the farmers market, the entire wikispot is online. Spam edits will never stop. As the years go on, they'll simply continue in sophistication. That sucks, and it's a problem the entire internet is repeatedly facing. The problem to us is that: it's too much for less than five people to handle for the wikispot. Manual reverting and checking wikis daily can't go on. It's a bigger issue, and I have no idea what the best solution is, but I think it's something 'the board' needs to address. Back to the Davis wiki...look at the user base man. Look at the number of active editors now, and then compare that to the number in 2009, 2007, 2006, etc. Consensus was built differently not because more people cared about giving input, but there were simply a higher number of editors actively editing. Part of it had to do with building the wiki up: it might have been more fun for people when the wiki was in need of pages. If you look at it now, I really do think the majority of new people and lurkers view it more of a business listing review site, whether it be apartments or restaurant. People that stick around might browse around campus building and town trivia, but adding minor edits here and tweaking comments there isn't in their interest. I think the editing styles and # of edits changed just because of "where the wiki was" at that point of time. I can't find it for the life of me if I tried, but I predicted this change in late 06/early 07. I'm not necessarily sad to see it come true, I think it simply is what it is. Building may just be more fun than detailing, and we've all always known that the concept of the wiki would change with the differing userbases and what we saw as challenges and goals may have been different than what editors in 10 years will see(....or 5 years). -ES

2010-05-02 00:42:51   get some sleep, things look different in the morning —StevenDaubert

2010-05-02 14:59:07   Good proposal and discussion. I hope something comes of it. There's a tendency in ad hoc committees to discuss things to death. I'd suggest at least a limited version of what you propose go forward on a trial basis, rather than waiting for complete consensus on every detail. Thanks for bringing this up; I think it can help prevent some of the problems that have been increasing of late. —DonShor

2010-05-21 21:46:30   Hey Jason, There was a bit of misunderstanding over one of your reverts earlier today. I think I've got most of it cleared up with the guy, but if you'd like to leave a few words for him (RicardoGutierrez), please do, since I'm still pretty new at this wikivangelism thing. —EBT

2010-05-22 10:47:23   Im sorry, can you clarify your last question to me. I cant make sense of it at all. —DagonJones

2010-05-22 11:42:34   Yeah, good call on the new content. It looks like we may be headed for another cycle of drama in the next couple of weeks. Seems like a good time to be busy. —TomGarberson

2010-05-23 12:07:37   I take offense to that comment. I fail to see how caring about the welfare of primates equates to sadism. I have spent a lot of effort trying to compromise on this issue and I am only writing in the criticisms section that has already been formatted for me and explaining parts of my logic in the talk page. For someone who only wants to receive "constructive feedback", I'm a bit surprised by your post on my comments section. —ScottMeehleib

  • You didn't read the comment I left for you carefully enough. —JasonAller

    • Okay, well, I guess your ingenious wordplay went over my head. I still don't find it to be constructive feedback. Like I said before, I'm writing in the criticisms section and trying to compromise as suggested by other users. It's everybody else who keeps instantly deleting most of what I write and refusing to work with me on it. But of course, nobody seems to ever pay attention to that. —ScottMeehleib

      • Dude, we're trying to work with you, but it's hard when your statements are illogical, misleading, contradictory, or not backed up by the citations. —JoePomidor

        • When most of what I write gets instantly deleted, it doesn't seem like you are trying very hard to "work with me." —ScottMeehleib

          • When the two of you engage in a debate that fills Recent Changes it hurts the wiki. I'm just asking if the wiki is the right place to hold the debate, or if it would be more appropriate to acknowledge the debate here and point to other websites where the debate is already ongoing. —JasonAller

            • Which was the original stated reason of the talk page I opened, trying to simply acknowledge it and point elsewhere. —ES

            • I tried to end the debate a long time ago by agreeing to write to the criticisms sections only. I disagree that it hurts the wiki. —ScottMeehleib

2010-05-23 12:07:52   I'm glad you're back and gnoming a bit too. Cheers. —EdWins

2010-05-23 13:11:08   Sorry about the ridiculousness. I'm going to stop now, but I don't really see this leading to any kind of satisfactory conclusion for anyone involved, at least based on the quality of debate that's already happened. Maybe the thing to do is limit the page for the Center to purely factual stuff, but I honestly don't have the energy even for that at this point. —JoePomidor

2010-05-25 22:07:04   Howdy! I was curious where the Allergy Season photo was taken. I was looking at it for a good five minutes and couldn't think of where it might be... —JoePomidor

2010-05-27 21:47:33   YES! Thanks, Jason! I'll sound off there later on, stuck watching Sex and the City with the wifey :) —TomGarberson

2010-05-28 20:03:05   Because the edit was anonymous? Or lacked believability? Or both? On believability issue, I took it to be hyperbolic. —CovertProfessor

  • Lacked identity. Like I said it the comment it is trying something new as a response to those sort of comments. Either that person will turn into a good editor or not. I just couldn't see that person turning into a good editor based on that start to their edit history. —JasonAller

    • I'd say too early to tell. At least the comment wasn't offensive and didn't a personal attack in some way. It had real content to it, not just "this place sucks." So, some potential there, I think, apart from the lack of identity. —cp

      • Do you think they will ever establish identity here? Will they ever contribute? Will they add anything of value to the Wiki? Or is it more likely that their cowardly attack on a business is all that they were here for? —JasonAller

        • I don't know. Maybe not, but I like to think positively. And maybe that comment would actually be of value to someone even if they didn't. —cp

2010-05-29 00:30:28   Thanks for your comment. I think that establishing identity is the key, on this issue (Strelitzia) and, I see, on others you are discussing. I would give a lot more latitude to someone who posts under his or her own name, or a chosen identity that is pseudonymous. I am very frustrated by one-time comments by anonymous people, and either I am getting more irritated by it or it is getting more common — or both! —DonShor

2010-05-29 09:29:41   I'm not expecting anything either. It's just one of those things that needs to be done to close the issue. —ARWENNHOLD

  • It is one of the ways to close the issue. Another would have been to just delete their comment. It wouldn't be welcoming, but it is another form of engagement with a new user. If they get pissed off about their comment having been removed then they are trying to engage the larger wiki community and a discussion can take place. If they never notice that it was removed then there is little loss there. The problem is when the comment is left and the person that left it ignores any outreach efforts. Consider it the same as a community of artists engaging in graffiti removal. Yeah, they might remove a few Banksy originals, but once Banksy establishes their reputation and identity that stops happening. Look, I'd prefer that people were warmly welcomed to the wiki, but someone that starts off by leveling a charge of racism from a place of total anonymity starts off with some strikes against themselves. Someone else reads those comments that don't get removed and thinks that leveling unsubstantiated charges of things like racism is totally acceptable behavior here, and then it devolves further until we aren't a community wiki and just a collection of derogatory comments left by those with no identity. —JasonAller

    • Value is subjective. Perhaps it is, perhaps it isn't. It's not as if racism itself doesn't exist - it very well might. Would you say that it's absolutely false? Can you say that - or just say it's unlikely and it's simply a disgruntled customer? Because unless it's the former, we really can't tell. I'd like to mention one or two of the massage parlor places - one person posted a controversial charge, and overtime, a few people more came forward. It's easy to discount the first claim of something unsavory and distasteful as false or outrageous, but that's a disservice - even if it's a rare minority, a very rare minority, it might end up opening and leading a path. I believe CP mentioned that on the talk page. And if it doesn't, then have a little bit of faith that the average person and internet user can come to the same conclusions about whether a comment is just a disgruntled customer. I'm only responding here because I take slight offense to the "zero value" label. -ES

2010-05-30 17:25:30   I don't think a little hyperbole has anything to do with the value of the comment, in this case. I'm fairly sure that's not Don's problem with it. If there was racism, or even something that could reasonably be interpreted as racism, it's a big deal. —TomGarberson

2010-06-02 14:50:16   Thanks for looking at the Friends of West Pond/Birds. I deleted the list because birders are sticklers for accuracy, and I didn't want to have to add all the birds on the checklist, but if you reonstated the list and made it complete, that's very nice of you. Thanks. -Jo Ellen —JER

2010-06-03 11:25:45   I hoped it would not be,I will correct that soon. —DagonJones

2010-06-03 20:20:36   Even odds that user isn't even aware of the comment. I can't wait for an effective notification system. If nothing else, it'll be gratifying to be know for sure which users aren't aware of feedback and which are deliberately ignoring it. I love me some righteous indignation. —TomGarberson

2010-06-08 09:36:23   No, I am not. If the situation was one where false accusations were made that were very harmful — yes, I know that that happens, too. But the reaction shouldn't be to dismiss all possibly harmful accusations. That is equally harmful. —CovertProfessor

2010-06-08 09:36:40   Gangrape accusations...made to the police and to the media...are a bit different than a comment on the wiki essentially saying "this place is racist because they ignored my request for help but rushed to help someone of another race." Especially because I believe there was additional happenings in town, such as graffiti and flyers being passed out. It was a rather public event due to the news media involvement and the woman having gone to the police. If you're attempting to set up an analogy, it seems to be a horrible one. —EdWins

2010-06-08 10:35:19   Jason, I am sorry that I don't have time to read about it, but I know about other similar cases. It is a terrible thing to have happen. I agree with you that the real victims are the true victims of rape. And I am sorry, but that is what I see happening here. I see that we jump to thinking that something is a false accusation because there have been other false accusations. That is just my impression of events. —CovertProfessor

2010-06-08 10:49:02   Not well, I'm guessing. So, then what? We don't bring things up because people overreact? I don't see how this one comment (if it remains the only comment) has the potential to spiral out of control in the way that the accusations of gang rape did. —CovertProfessor

2010-06-08 22:53:59   "I believe accusations of racism should be deleted. —DonShor" and "But I will repeat what I started this page with: accusations of racism should be deleted.—DonShor" —CovertProfessor

2010-06-08 22:55:28   that is correct, on page 10 of the book he says he was six years old and was "exploring new places.... saw a gathering in the distance with fire burning on sticks (torches?) and people dressed in white sheet like clothing with white sheets covering their heads as well" he does not say specifically it was in a field, but he tells this story right after he describes how him and his brother would often explore and play in the dirt fields. —DagonJones

2010-06-08 22:57:22   He didn't specify. —CovertProfessor

2010-06-08 23:02:19   Is that because he has been a cooperative editor with me? Because he has addressed my concerns? (even one of them?) Because he has asserted that he will just delete the comment on June 11, regardless? My attempts to have dialogue with him have fallen flat. He has said that I am anonymous and thus have no standing in his eyes. What is the point? —CovertProfessor

2010-06-08 23:07:12   I have given him respect, even begged him to consider my view and to cooperate with me. But I am not going to seek out the subtleties of someone's position after he has said that he won't work with me. That goes beyond respect into a realm of magnanimousness that I do not possess. In any case, from my point of view it doesn't matter much. Even if it is just a business context, I find the position odious. —CovertProfessor

2010-06-08 23:14:41   very good point, I didnt think of that —DagonJones

2010-06-08 23:23:08   I agree, I was shocked when I read the account and I am still a little skeptical about it but I felt it was relevant to share his account. He also describes seeing angels and ghosts, I don't think this discredits his accuracy at all but some might think so. —DagonJones

2010-06-08 23:37:10   Clearly the handle is an ironic one. The blatant misspelling indicates that the user wanted to look drunk which is not responsible, therefore resulting in an ironic handle. —hankim

2010-06-09 11:07:25   Actually, I meant to add your #4 to the list, but wasn't sure how best to sum it up. Would you be willing to put a one-liner version up with the other options, just so it's clear? —TomGarberson

2010-06-16 12:50:52   soooo

you just cleanup our comments? Do we have to make news/comments... Is having them at the bottom of the page verboten? —StevenDaubert

2010-06-16 12:59:35

That was deeply ironic... —IDoNotExist

2010-06-16 13:24:05   Behave?

What is wrong with you?

Never delete my comments ever again, and if you feel they are out of place, move them to the correct area.

Do I make myself clear? —StevenDaubert

2010-06-26 12:10:13   I am a little creeped out that you went into my user info and added a link without my permission. Please don't do that. —Chronoz

2010-06-27 13:42:03   join me brother, remove your comment bar! —StevenDaubert

2010-06-28 18:02:16   I don't see how the RecyclingIntern account is under the "abuse" catagory, in comparison to the other ones there. —EdWins

2010-06-28 18:19:30   Well, the page does seem to be written to be more serious than to serve as a -Placeholder- entry. I went through both of those, and didn't see any "abuse" as normally considered by most of the wiki or especially by the other examples of the page (I saw additions and edits, albeit under an "organizational account" name, but not removals or censoring.) Nothing more than that, as I don't want to assume as to your interpretation or perceived abuse from them. —EdWins

2010-06-28 20:42:33   Bekka says, "eww, that's gross!" —TomGarberson

2010-06-28 23:49:49   Why is it important for every page on this wiki to have outgoing links? Seems like a waste of "much effort" to patrol such a thing. —Chronoz

2010-07-03 23:14:24   Guessing archiac. Finding it spelled that way in a few things dated to the late 1800's. kind of interesting. —EdWins

2010-07-06 09:14:50   I've been out of town and am heading back out in a few minutes, but I'm loving all the historical info when I have a chance to look around. Thanks for all your work! —TomGarberson

2010-07-06 09:39:33   Quite a nice feeling to pop onto RC and see all the updates! —JabberWokky

2010-07-06 19:04:45   Nice work with the historical entries. —ScottMeehleib

2010-07-07 10:13:37   We are trying to help Hoffmann update his wiki. Please give us a few minutes until you see all the changes before reverting. —Khanh

2010-07-08 04:49:02   I think, if Michael777 attended Amnesty International lately he probably would have updated the page. I think he was hoping somebody else who does might update the page instead, unfortunately I haven't attended since well before 2008. I don't think it was a pointless question though. —NickSchmalenberger

2010-07-08 13:47:15   hunting cow seems pretty awesome, cows are like permanent all wheel drive in low —StevenDaubert

2010-07-08 14:03:03   A non-local adding irrelevant links is a spammer, regardless of whether or not he talks with us or uses a redirect service. Ban with predjudice and move on. It's not worth your time. —WilliamLewis

2010-07-09 10:56:15   the friendster page is blank and none of those results are actually me. i just don't like the idea of people finding me via google, which is why i'd rather change the IEEE officer list. i am in no way striking my name from the records; i just would rather people not find out things like that about me unless they already know me. —wootywoo

2010-07-09 18:04:05   I think we should just ban people or not worry about it, there has been so much time wasted already on bad communication. There is no rename account feature, so once people signup there is really no point in even mentioning much issues with their username if we hope for something to happen, because it probably won't. Saying something vaguely negative about somebody's username is a little bit poisonous because its hard to do much about. Banning a bad username right away could be effective though, before the user has a chance to make a history with it. —NickSchmalenberger

2010-07-10 08:16:51   I agree, suzettec should definitely be banned. —NickSchmalenberger

2010-07-10 10:41:26   I don't see much problem with teenclinic, the edits are fine. I don't think organizational account names are inherently bad either. Of course its nicer when people use their real name, but some people just want to use the wiki to update info about their work and I think this is helpful also. RealComputers is a good example of when it went too far I think, but I don't feel like that was all bad either, I can't really explain why. —NickSchmalenberger

2010-07-11 21:06:42   No, I'm not sure that my creating a wiki philosophy page would help anything. —CovertProfessor

2010-07-12 14:22:17   First, the accusations are legitimate and should be taken seriously by anyone who considers employment there. I am merely providing what I and others who have worked there know to be true. Second, I refuse to establish my identity for specific reasons which if you think carefully, might involve retaliation. Third, these accusations CANNOT be reported to the police as they can do nothing, only to the labor board. I suggest as a moderator you also review the previous comments posted which directly support the failure of proper management at peak performance before making a decision to remove comments that you subjectively feel are not credible. —contour66

Not comments!

How's the recent wikis page broken?PhilipNeustrom

With Create a Wiki locked down now, I suppose Quick Edit is the next most likely one to randomly get mispurposed? -jw

It started in 08 and was multi phased, ending in late 09' The managers were the first to switch (one of the first editors of the AllegreAppt was in this group) and the whole office staff in the later phases... Call Allegre and speak with them if you want more details, I only know from a short conversation Daubert you just had to find a way to get another "new page" creation in your stats eh? ^__~ Truth Daubert

Identity and your frustrations

I think you (and anyone else) should remove comments (and anything else) that don't add any value and you think the wiki would be better without!

Making it a requirement to establish identity on the wiki to participate is limiting. There have always been comments and contributions from people who haven't established identity here. In fact, a good portion amount of the valuable material of the wiki has been added by editors who only make a few edits here. So I think what you're asking is, "how should we deal with crappy comments from editors without identity?" And I think, if they're crappy, and you think the wiki would be better without those contributions, then remove them. In this case I think your focus on identity, rather than quality, is creating a red herring.

But if you can't verify any opinions (meaning they're purely opinion), and the claims seem ridiculous, or unnecessary, or not very useful (meaning: harmful), and there's no identity to back up the (purely) opinion, then they don't serve any purpose- so I think I'd side with axing them.

"Identity" in this case meaning: the person has edited a few other pages.

The issue of whether we should allow organizations to use non-real names to edit is a different question. —PhilipNeustrom

  • I think part of the problem is that signed blocks have become overly sacred. The only use I can see where signed blocks helps is in immediate communication (i.e., when the conversation is actually occurring). After that (and a couple edge cases like transcribed letters or notices), treating signed blocks as anything more than the rest of a wiki entry is harmful. Oddly, there's a double split now: some people think you have to have permission or special cause to edit the main entry, while others think that you have to have permission or special cause to edit the comments. The whole issue of identity becomes less important if the source is ignored, and each contribution is taken on their own merit. -jw

    • You summarize my feelings perfectly: delete crappy comments. I think making it a guideline that you should use your real name (or establish identity here) when detailing experiences (which can't be verified in any way) is kinda reasonable. I also think we should emphasize using your real name moreso on the signup page, which we can easily do.

  • And yes, I fear role accounts can imply authority beyond a 'mere community' editor, and are a different issue (especially when they ambiguate accountability). -jw

When the majority of fellow editors (even those who were infrequent editors) had identity I was one of the people who would rush to restore the removal of comments because I felt that the removal was disrespectful of the contributions of people who were willing to stand behind their words. I don't see those who leave negative comments from the dark shadows as fellow editors. If they step into the light I'd be more than willing to defend their contributions to the wiki, but negativity shouted in from the dark isn't something I feel is worth protecting. If there were not the comment macro then people would have had to make edits to the main entry of the page and their edits would be subject to the edits of other editors. Perhaps de-sanctifying the comments is the right solution. Are we moving toward: "Leave a comment, go ahead, but now anyone can either integrate it, delete it, or leave it. If you want your words to stick then make an edit. If your edit is non-constructive, don't expect it to stay."JasonAller

I like them. —cp

The back side of the owl only needed Fill flash. Think you can get access again? —WilliamLewis

He was unaware of how to ask the wiki for help, and that was one of the things I discussed with him... I'm part of the wiki, and I reached out as such but made it clear how the system worked and that I had as much power as everyone else. He asked to be called and so I hit up and explained... It's not really cutting the community out when it still has input on my edits that came as a result of contact with him... Daubert

You're talking about the printed takeout menus from their Sac location. The laminated menus meant for the Davis location say "of." —WilliamLewis

I was going to post some exterior shots I took, but I figured I'd wait for the permanent sign. —WilliamLewis

I have a guess on the person removing the phone numbers for Hunt Wesson Plant. If the numbers were released, chances are, someone else has the number now, and might be trying to get it removed. I get on average at least one phone call per day on my cell phone for Eli's Plumbing and Drain, in Fresnso, even though it's been closed for more than a year. Frankly, removing the numbers here isn't going to do him any good, but I'm betting it's not just meaningless vandalism. —TomGarberson

  • Given that the numbers are below a notice sign saying closed... wait, do people want me to stop gnoming? —JasonAller

    • No one wants you to stop gnoming, Jason. There's been a lot of tension in the last few days, and I think people are trying to come up with compromises, explanations, etc., in hopes of relieving that a bit. Seriously, it's not an attack; it's intended to be constructive. —tg

      • When I'm asking that question I'm trying to figure out if the nature of the wiki community has changed more than I've noticed and if my behavior that was once constructive is no longer constructive because the wiki has changed around me and I haven't changed enough along with it. I'm not asking it because I see an attack, nor am I threatening to withhold my efforts, I'm trying to figure out if I'm the source of the tension and problems. If people really don't see value in the things I'm restoring back onto pages then maybe I no longer understand the wiki and I need to stop doing that. I disagree with it, but if what I see as productive edits are a source of problems then I'm willing to reexamine why I'm doing what I'm doing. —JasonAller

      • You have posted your Wiki philosophy and are acting within it. You are not the source of tension or problems. I have serious concerns about the current direction of the wiki and its long term value to the community unless there are significant structural changes in how it is managed. But your actions, including your gnoming, derive from a clear set of principles, so I see no reason whatsoever for you to stop. —DonShor

"You destroyer. Me builder. Information have historic value." - love it! —TomGarberson

2010-07-23 20:01:19   I think the point of this might be that non-denominational Christians are unlikely to to use the term "eucharist." But I suppose we'd have to ask. I'm trying to dejargonify that page and have it represent a more ecumenical perspective. —WilliamLewis

Nope, definitely wouldn't have noticed it... but I found it rather offensive once I did. I'd rather fix some links than have a craptacular set of pages like that on the Wiki, though, so I certainly don't mind going back and doing the cleanup. Thanks for pointing it out, I'll follow up with it tomorrow. —TomGarberson

I agree that it's interesting as a case study, but I still see the page as a blemish on the face of the wiki. If someone wants to restore it, that's their prerogative, and I'm not about to get in a revert war over it. But despite the fact that it holds some abstract interest, I think it remains a detriment to the wiki. —tg

I'd write a comment that you shouldn't be editing the wiki at 3:30AM because it's not good for you, but you don't have a comment box. —WH

I'm trying to make a facebook page for the Davis Senior Center. Would you mind if I used the excellent picture you posted in the wiki page (at least temporarily)? —GreatRyan

  • Say no! For the love of all things holy! Daubert

LOL... wow. Thanks. None of us could remember a page fitting the description, and I did a couple of "family" based searches and didn't find it. —TomGarberson

8/2/2010 - JA, with how long you've been grinding that axe against 'realname vs username' I'm starting to worry that your going to end up with nothing but a handle. I think a lot of people are seeing the heat from the friction right now. Can I offer you a soda? -ES

(Psst... the meeting is running late, I take it? Hopefully in a good way...) -jw

"8/23/2010" — Thank you for the advice. The Racquetball page is up and running (My first page)!! —Chris47