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2010-07-11 13:44:30   You've made criminal accusations. The appropriate venue for these is to go to the Police and report the crime. Considering that you didn't bother to establish any identity prior to making accusations that serious against another member of the Davis community I don't see why your words should stay on the Peak Performance page. —JasonAller

2010-07-12 14:28:28   Jason is not a moderator. He is a member of the community, just like you. The wiki is run by and for the people of Davis. Which is why it is really freaking odd why you're using the name "contour66" rather than Dawn, or Jim or Sue. Everybody here is equal, and you're part of the effort, with the exact same rights to content and responsibility to maintain the wiki that Jason has. Anybody can edit, delete or otherwise change all content on the wiki. We work together, which is why a mysterious person who refuses to identify themselves gets some odd looks. Imagine walking into a park, joining a community effort to plant flowers, and refusing to give your name. Or a town hall meeting, church, or even a bunch of people who get together for sushi. That's the community of Davis, and that's the kind of community here on the wiki. —Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards

2010-07-12 16:44:26   Hey, I'll have a beer with you. Do you want to meet at Sudwerks at 7 pm today? Any other time this week is good for me too. —NickSchmalenberger

2010-07-12 17:11:49   I saw your comment on JW's page, "Look, I am not trying to rile up anything, but erasing comments that only to educate your utopia of a "Davis Community" is clearly ironic if not hypocritical." I just wanted to say, first of all, that I support your comment on the Peak Performance page. I restored it once, after it was deleted, then someone else edited it. My point is that there are a lot of editors here, we don't always agree, but most of us try to work together as collaboratively as we can even so. So, there will be those who support your leaving the comment you did (like me) and those who don't. We generally try to talk these things out. It seems to me you've given good reasons (including good reasons for anonymity) and your comments are corroborated by previous commenters on the page. Second of all is to understand why some of the editors have reacted negatively to your comment. Sometimes we get people who come to the wiki, leave libelous or offensive comments anonymously, and are never seen again. Some editors have had to deal with that time and time again, and they get understandably frustrated and may at times overreact. Sometimes, it's hard to tell the legitimate complaints from people who just have an axe to grind. So, some editors are a little sensitive when it comes to comments like yours, seeing them as the "bad" sort of comment rather than the legitimate complaints you (in my opinion) seem to have. But overall we're a good, well-meaning bunch. I don't think anyone is trying to make Davis out to be a utopia that it isn't, only to try to protect people and businesses from accusations that aren't legitimate. —CovertProfessor

2010-07-12 18:10:37   Hey, I don't mean to be anal-retentive (is that hyphenated or not?), but you asked a bunch of questions, so I'm breaking them all down to answer:

Why is it odd? Because I choose not give my name for specific reasons? — Yep. That's odd.

Apparently neither of you understand how businesses run, as I can see by the vast amount of wasted time and effort placed on creating your wiki page. — I can't speak for Jason, but my entry built up over the last five years I've been using the wiki. The first version back in 2004 was pretty simple. A little here, a little there (and some of it was written by other people, wiki style)... it all slowly adds up. I've actually been a business owner for about 13 years now.

What if my name was contour66? You know there are many people in this community that don't have such generic and boring names as the one you mentioned. — I must say, as somebody who goes by the name "JabberWokky", that's the first time anybody has accused me of demanding boring names. :-) Is contour66 the name you go by? Having spent time with people in the SCA, theater folk, goths, bikers, Rocky Horror fans and just plain weird folk, I tend to know quite a few people who go by odd names. Generally numbers aren't appended, so I took it as a "computer name" rather than one your drinking buddies call you. My apologies if I am wrong... but you have to be used to questions by now if you introduce yourself as contour66.

Look, I am not trying to rile up anything, but erasing comments that only to educate your utopia of a "Davis Community" is clearly ironic if not hypocritical. — I didn't erase any comment. In fact, I haven't even looked up what comment you're talking about. The only thing I noticed was that you referred to Jason as a moderator, so I headed over to point out to you that he isn't (or rather, you both are — everybody's a moderator, with equal content rights). When I did so, I noticed his comment about identity and simply expanded upon it. End of story. I didn't mean to imply anything about some comment you made (where?).

If you are so afraid of me falsifying who I am then, why don't you invite me to have a beer and I can tell you in person why you and your partner in crime are in the wrong? — Alas, my wife's career has taken me out of Davis, and it'll be a while before I get back (it's on that really long editor entry you commented about). I'll rain check you on the beer: I'll be more than happy to take you up on it next time I get back. My wife's family is in the area, and a visit is overdue. My phone number and email (and address, although I'm moving) are on my editor entry... I'm more than happy to chat as best I can. But I think you missed the point: there's no issue of "falsifying", it's simply the social issue of using an obviously fake name. That social issue exists regardless of if I point it out or not. You're using a fake name in a community that mostly uses real names, which carries a stigma. Since you might not have been aware, I simply pointed it out.

No big shakes; you walked into a community and people are now talking to you. Since everybody has complete rights to edit anything, there's a lot of talking to work things out when people disagree about an edit. It's pretty much a sign you're being welcomed into the community here. If you want, I'll even state it explicitly: Welcome to the Wiki! —Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards, (814) 889-8845

2010-07-13 07:31:33   Hey Contour, Welcome to the Wiki. The issue of anonymous people making accusations against businesses is a contentious one here just because it's come up a number of times. I don't want to restart the argument over it, but if you're curious, there's a lot of discussion at ["Strelitzia Flower Co/Talk"] and Barefoot Yoga Studio/Talk. It's nothing personal toward you; you just stepped into the middle of an long-time, ongoing argument.

And if you want to grab a beer and/or talk about it, give me a ring. 559-355-5814 —TomGarberson

2010-07-14 12:28:13   Just FYI Utopia was actually a dictatorship of sorts. Nearly no choice was given to the populace. Food for thought, since you're saying "Utopia" as if it's a good thing. —MasonMurray