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 Anna Dorothea STEINBORN & Johann Christoph LIEBELT Snr.: To follow the children of this marriage.

• Anna Elisabeth STEINBORN & Johann Christoph LIEBELT are John MUELLER'S gggg grandparents.
• Daniel KUCHEL, Anna GREISER and Gottfried LUBASCH are John MUELLER's ggg grandparents.  
• Anna Elisabeth STEINBORN, Johann Christoph LIEBELT,  Daniel KUCHEL, Anna GREISER and Gottfried LUBASCH are the author's gggg grandparents.

Summary

This article follows the life of the second KUCHEL sister Johanne Dorothea KUCHEL who married her 1st cousin Johann Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL and arrived in South Australia 7 years after her sister and her husbands parents and brothers.  J. Dorothea Elizabeth arrive on the ship Herjeebhoy Rustonjee Patel in 1845. For continuity this article could be read following 'KUCHEL sisters'.  

1889 family photograph. Identities as noted by Reg BUTLER.  John Mueller Photographic Collection & Other Archival Material 

Table of Content

           1.  KUCHEL & KUCHEL sister no 2.

           2.  The ship they arrived on

           3.  1889 family photograph.

           4.  How long were they at Kirchenbergen?

           5.  Erdmann arrived 7 years after his family.  

           6.  Photographs of KUCHEL sister no 2.

           7.  Family blamed for Erdmann's death

1.  Eldest son:  Erdmann & his wife KUCHEL sister no 2

days eventually came to South Australia in 1845 on the "Herjeebhoy Rustonjee Patel", a vessel of 510 tons under Captain Charles LAUN.

'KUCHEL 1838-1970' by V. SCHWERDT, G. HILL & E.A. WITTWER, 1970.
		The eldest son of Johann Georg KUCHEL was born in 1812 and was named Johann Gottfried Erdmann.  In Germany he married his cousin Johanna Dorothea Elizabeth KUCHEL, the daughter of Daniel KUCHEL.     It is believed that they, too, wished to emigrate on the "Prince George" in 1838 with Pastor Kavel, and again in 1842 on the "Skjold" with Pastor Fritsche.     There must have been good reason, which cannot be ascertained now, why they did not migrate then.  They arrived in Adelaide on 17 September, 1845, and after a journey from Bremen lasting 117
They are listed as having come from Lochow (near Zuellichau), Brandenberg.  Mr & Mrs Daniel KUCHEL accompanied them.  It appears that bin Germany Gottfrie had followed the trade of tailor in the Army.  His pair of tailor's shears remained in the family's possession until about 1940.  Mrs Pink, who was living at Morialta, had them in her home.  However, they were stolen when her home was burgled while she was away.

	Hahndorf Cemetery, Echunga Rd, Hahndorf
Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/201496560/johanne_dorothea_elisabeth-kuchel: accessed May 18, 2025), memorial page for Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth Kuchel (unknown–18 May 1895), Find a Grave Memorial ID 201496560, citing Hahndorf Cemetery, Hahndorf, District Council of Mount Barker, South Australia, Australia; Maintained by Faithe Jones (contributor 50048377).
		Johann Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL ca1812 at Lochow, Province Brandenburg, as a son of Johann George Kuchel and Anna Dorothea nee Seiffert.  Arrived in September 1845 on the "Heerjeebhoy Rustonjee Patel".  Married his cousin Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth Kuchel.  Farmer, vine-dresser and tailor at Hahndorf and Kirchenbergen.  +24 September 1869 at Kirchenbergen aged 58 years.  Buried on 25 September 1869 by Pastor G.L.A. Fiedler.  His wife is buried in the Hahndorf Public Cemetery.

The parents KUCHEL & KUCHEL arrived with 2 daughters, 1845

Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL

• Born:            1811ca Brandenburg, Prussia.
• Married:       1838ca 
• Widowed:   1869 aged 58 years 
• Died:             16 May 1895, Hahndorf, S.A. aged 84 years
• Buried:          Hahndorf Cemetery

Johann Gottfried ‘Erdmann’ KUCHEL

• Born:            1812 Lochow, Brandenburg, Prussia. (See burial record above)
• Married:      1838ca  
• Died:           24 September 1869 Hahndorf, S.A.
• Buried:        St John's Cemetery Hahndorf

Children:    8 children born between 1840-1854

├──  Johanna Louise KUCHEL [1840] ├── 

 Johanna Dorothea KUCHEL [1842] 

├── Johanna Eleanore KUCHEL  [1843-1843]

├── Anna Rosina KUCHEL [1845-1845]

├── Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL [1846]  m 1871  Johanne Louise LIEBELT (1st child born in S.A.)

├── Johann Gottfried KUCHEL [1848-1850] 

├── John Friedrich called ' Hanfried ' KUCHEL [1850] 

└── Anna Elizabeth KUCHEL  [1854]

2.  What ship did they all arrive on?

LIEBELT Snr's on the 'Prince George', 1838	2 LIEBELT son's on the 'Zebra', 1838	KUCHEL Snr's on the 'Prince George', 1838

Maria Elisabeth KUCHEL's (Sister no 1) grand daughter marries her sister Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL's (Sister no 2) 1st son. 

Johanne Louise LIEBELT's parents:  had come out as children to the Province of South Australia, her mother, Johanne Caroline LUBASCH was 11 years old and her father, Johann Gottlieb LIEBELT was 14 years of age on the 'Zebra'.  Their villages in Brandenburg, Prussia were separated by only 4.5kms, if they took the route through the fields.  Living so close they likely knew of each other before emigration.  Their adventure together, began with their families on river barges down the Oder, through the waterways of bustling Berlin and up to the Port of Hamburg.  Such sights they never could have imagined preceded a four month sea voyage in 1838. 

Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL's parents:  on the other hand, were adults when they arrived in South Australia. His father Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL [1812-1869] was 33 years old and his mother [they were 1st cousins] Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL [1811-1895] 34 years of age.  J. Dorothea Elisabeth gave birth on the 'Herjeebhoy Rustonjee Patel' and had 3 children when they left but when they arrived in September the new born had not survived & nor had their 2 year old daughter.  [KUCHEL, Ships List]   J. Gottlieb KUCHEL was the first of four more children who were born in their new country.

KUCHEL eldest son, wife &  & father in law on the 'Herjeebhoy Rustonjee Patel', 1845	South Australian Packet Ships landed in the Colony
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Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL b1846     As a child Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL b1846, would have heard his parents talk of the ships that arrived in 1838 because his paternal grandparents [Georg KUCHEL & Anna SEIFFERT] & 3 uncles [J Gottlieb 17 years, J Friedrich 20 years, J Samuel 23 years]  were all passengers on the 'Prince George'.

3.  1889c family photograph

Lothar BRASSE provided an architectural analysis of the cottage photographed below. 

This original photograph with 4 adult women, 3 adult males, 3 young males appearing to be smoking pipes, and 2 young girls & a newborn baby, is thanks to the 'John MUELLER Photographic Collection & Other Archival Material'. It was reproduced in the 1970 KUCHEl Family History book as seen below on the right.  The photograph was taken by Edmund DIEDERICH and I have dated the photograph according to his new born daughter's date of birth, October 1889, Ida Clara Auguste sits on her mothers lap in the front of the photograph surrounded by her cousins and Uncles & Aunts and her grandmother.  

'The cottage is a simple, rudimentary structure consisting of roughly finished saplings for its framing, with a top and maybe bottom (?) plate. The posts might have been dug into the ground to give it lateral stability. There doesn't appear to be any intermediate horizontal members apart from the door and window heads (this differs from the double intermediary 'noggings' found in better quality Fachwerk structures found in Paechtown for example), and any diagonal bracing members are not shown. The relatively thin walls,  probably only 4 inches [100mm] - suggests that the infill of  clay and chaff mix (daub) is held in place by straw 'ropes' woven between vertical or horizontal twigs [wattle]. The visible door head looks as though it was joined to the door posts using mortice and tenon joints.

The entire clay plaster finishing coat was then lime-washed.  The casement window [possibly with highlight ? behind the striped curtain] seems quite advanced for this 'humble' cottage and typically found in 'better'  German houses - in this case 6 or 8 paned, with glass and any metal fixtures such as hinges, bolts and latches probably imported from Germany by the likes of merchant H.L.Vosz - who had arrived here on board the Alfred in 1848 and later traded in Hindley and Rundle Streets. The trussed roof may have been thatched, shingled or even clad with corrugated iron which had begun to be  imported into South Australia from England since 1850 [Solomon's Queens Theatre was one of Adelaide's first to be roofed with it].'  

KUCHEL Family November 1889c
John Mueller Photographic & Other Archival Material Collection	Photograph taken by Edmund DIEDERICH whose partner (unmarried) is holding their first child Ida.	KUCHEL 1838-1970 family history page 7.
Lt - Rt at back:  Bill GUST, Bill GREGOR, Uncle GUST, Anna Gregor, Auntie GREGOR, Aunt KUCHEL, Gottlieb KUCHEL, August GUST, 'Hanfried' KUCHEL. at front:  Elisabeth KUCHEL [later married DIEDERICH] holding daughter Ida, Grandmother KUCHEL, Alma GREGOR'.

Identifying the above KUCHEL's.

There is a photocopy of this family photograph above left on page 7 of the  'KUCHEL 1838-1970' family history book, & it is described there as: 'Gottfried's family approx. 1890'.   The baby, identified as Ida Clara Augusta DIEDERICH, by Reg BUTLER, being held by her mother, Anna Elisabeth KUCHEL [partner of photographer Rudolph Richard Edmund DIEDERICH] was born on 12 October 1889, which dates this photograph by Edmund DIEDERICH as November 1889c.  One source of  information comes from the baby on Anna Elizabeth's lap.  Anna's first child was already 18 months old when Anna married [1891] Ida Clara Augusta's  [b12 October 1889] father: Rudolph Richard Edmund DIEDERICH, who became the well known South Australian photographer & one of the primary sources of many of John MUELLER's collection.  

Courtesy The Reg BUTLER Archives, Hahndorf Archives.  Written in Reg BUTLER's hand writing from a photograph identical to the ones on the left.Far left.   Lt-Rt:  

Bill GUST:  Friedrich Wilhelm GUST b1870, 19 years of age, smoking a pipe.  Grandson of Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL

Bill GREGOR:  Friedrich Wilhelm GREGOR, b1868, 21 years of age, smoking a pipe. Grandson of Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL.

Uncle GUST:  Johann Wihelm GUST b1837, 52 years of age, married in 1867 to Johanna Dorothea KUCHEL.  Son in Law of Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL

• Anna GREGOR:  b1867, 22 years of age, standing up the back behind her mothers right shoulder, & to the left of her father Johann Wilhelm August GUST.
• Auntie GREGOR:  Johanna Louise KUCHEL b1840, mother of 9 children, 2 are in this photo, the youngest child, Alma Othilie & oldest son, Friedrich Wilhelm GREGOR.  Daughter of Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL
• Aunt KUCHEL:  Johanna Dorothea KUCHEL, b1842, mother of 3 children, 2 of sons are in this photo, Friedrich Wilhelm & August GUST.  ​Daughter of Johann Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL.
• Gottlieb KUCHEL:   Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL, b1846, 43 years of age, married to Johanna Louise LIEBELT in 1871, father of nine of his 10 children, with holding his hat, thin beard, wearing a tie, older brother to Anna Elizabeth KUCHEL & Uncle to Ida Clara Auguste DIEDERICH.  Son of Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL.
• August GUST:  Heinrich August GUST b1873, 16 years of age, smoking a pipe, holding his hat. three years younger than brother Bill on far left of photo.  Grandson of Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL.  
• 'Hanfried' KUCHEL:   Johann Friedrich KUCHEL b1850, 39 years of age, unmarried, thick beard, holding his hat.  Son of Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL.

 Front row Lt - Rt:

Elisabeth KUCHEL:  Anna Elisabeth KUCHEL b 1854 [later married DIEDERICH] holding daughter Ida, sitting on the right of her mother, hair parted in the middle, 35 years of age, sister to Gottlieb, Anna & 'Hanfried' on far right of photograph.   Daughter of Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL.

Grandmother KUCHEL: Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL b1811, 78 years of age, widowed for 20 years, mother of eight children, 3 of the youngest are this photograph, Gottlieb, Elisabeth & 'Hanfried', scarf around head.

Alma GREGOR: Alma Othilie GREGOR b1880, 9 years of age, standing to the left of her mother Johanna Louise KUCHEL, with white scarf around her neck.  Granddaughter of Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL.

Aunt KUCHEL:  Johanna Dorothea GUST nee KUCHEL.  Mother. 2nd child of Grandmother KUCHEL	Uncle GUST:  Wilhelm August GUST Father	GUST: Wilhelm 2nd child	August GUST:  Heinrich August GUST 3rd

Bill  Friedrich GUST child

Auntie GREGOR:  Johanna Louise GREGOR nee KUCHEL.  Mother.   1st child of Grandmother KUCHEL	Bill GREGOR: Friedrich Wilhelm GREGOR 3rd child	Anna GREGOR:  Anna Auguste GREGOR 8th child	Alma GREGOR:  Alma Othilie GREGOR 9th child
Grandmother KUCHEL:  Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL with all 5 of her surviving children. 3  did not survive infancy.	Gottlieb KUCHEL:  Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL 5th child  (1st born in S.A) of Grandmother KUCHEL.	Hanfried KUCHEL:  John Friedrich KUCHEL  7th child of Grandmother KUCHEL	Elisabeth KUCHEL (DIEDERICH):  Anna Elizabeth KUCHEL 8th child of Grandmother KUCHEL  Ida Clara Auguste KUCHEL b 12 Oct 1889

4.   How long were they at Kirchenbergen?

 KUCHEL Family History book page 4.   It is believed that in the early 1840's they moved out to [an area known as] Kirchenbergen which was about two miles south of the Hahndorf township.  Kirchenbergen [meaning, 'hills of the church'] was undulating country which the KUCHEL's farmed.  It was near Windmill Hill [a well known spot in the Adelaide Hills] and it was in the gully between the properties now owned by Mr H. BRAENDLER and Mr G PAECH.  The ruins of four houses, probably built by the KUCHEL's can still be seen on Mr BRAENDLER's property.  Kirchenbergen comprised three sections of land totalling about 240 acres [sections 3821, 3822, 3823] purchased by the Incorporated Society for the Propagation of the Gospel in Foreign Parts on 15 May 1841.

This above extract is referring to Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL's grandparents & uncles that arrived in South Australian three years before, on the 'Prince George'. 

If this was the case then in 1841 the 3 KUCHEL boys from the 'Prince George' were:  J. Samuel  26 years married with 1 child, J. Friedrich unmarried 23 years of age, & J. Gottlieb (b1821) the youngest, aged 20 years and unmarried.  Their parents were Georg who only lived another 4 years before dying in an accident and was 63 years of age & his wife Anna Dorothea SEIFFERT 54 years of age.

• Page 16 of the same history says regarding Samuel:  'In 1845 they moved out to the farm known as Kirchenbergen'.  
• Page 40  regarding 3rd son Friedrich: 'and apparently stayed with his parents for about eight years at Klemzig and Hahndorf. He was named as the lessee of a portion of land at Hahndorf.  Then he went to the Barossa Valley where he was employed by Angas at Tarrawatta'.  Friedrich was 20 years in 1838, so around 1846 when he was 28 years of age he left Kirchenbergen.   He married in June 1847 so it seems that Friedrich had left Kirchenbergen some months at least before 1847.
• Page. :.....regarding the 4th son Gottlieb  'He lived with his parents at Klemzig and Hahndorf, moving out with them to Kirchenbergen.  In   (March)   1848 he married Maria Elizabeth BARTEL.  They settled on land north of Kanmantoo...'  It seems that Gottlieb may also have left Kirchenbergen some months before 1848.

The period of time that the KUCHEL's were farming or vine growing at Kirchenbergen may have been between 1841 & 1847/48, or between 1845 & 1848.  Georg, the father died in February 1845, before either Friedrich or Gottlieb married.  What happened when their eldest brother J.G. Erdmann KUCHEL & his wife, KUCHEL sister no 2 and their two girls arrived on 18 September 1845 but J.G. Erdmann's father had died less than 7 months earlier in 23 February 1845.  

I was taken to this location for the first time by my 6th cousin Chris Williams whose 3rd great-grandparents were J Samuel Kuchel & J Dorothea Klenke.
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Hd of Onkaparinga. Sections 3821, 3822 & 3823 on the northern side of the main Hahndorf Road.	'Kirchenbergen' looking up Leonards Rd, Hahndorf, towards Nixon's Mill. Photo JBH 2021	'Kirchenbergen' looking north down Leonards Rd, Hahndorf.	Kirchenbergen, Paechtown, Friedrichstadt & Hahndorf.

5.  7 years later J.G. Erdmann KUCHEL arrived with his family & father in law.

'KUCHEL 1838-1970' by V. SCHWERDT, G. HILL & E.A. WITTWER, 1970.
		J Gottfried Erdmann:  It appears that in Germany Gottfried (Erdmann) had followed the trade of tailor in the army.  His pair of tailor's shears remained in the family's possession until about 1940 ...... when the family had reason to write to relatives or friends in Germany it was usually Gottfried who composed and wrote the letter. Little is known of Gottfried's (Erdmann) activities in South Australia, but it can be presumed that he was engaged in farming and also in the trade of his brothers, that is vine dressing
and wine making.  During hard times the brothers had to take whatever work was available.  It is recorded that in 1858 a vine dresser was paid 10s 6d for 3 1/2 days work.  Gottfried (Erdmann) (perhaps because he was the eldest) had the best education of the four sons of Johann Georg Kuchel.

Johann Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL with his wife, his 1st cousin, J Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL & 2 daughters, arrive after his brothers

• Erdmann, was the eldest of the four boys and would have been 26 yrs of age when all the activities were happening in preparation for his 55 & 51 year old parents & his brothers Samuel, Friedrich and Gottlieb to begin their ocean voyage. For whatever reason, Erdmann, did not accompany his parents in 1838 on the 'Prince George'.  However he had married around that time [c1838] to his first cousin  Dorothea KUCHEL and, had four baby daughters born in  1840, 1842, 1843 and 1845, named Louise, Dorothea, Eleonore and Anna Rosin. So unlike Johanna Louise's LIEBELT's ( b1848), parents, J Gottlieb KUCHEL's (b1846) parents had arrived in South Australia as adults.
• J Gottlieb's (b1846)  father Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL was 33 years old and his mother Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL 34 years of age when they arrived on the 'Herjeebhoy Rustonjee Patel' in 1845 with their first 2 daughters only instead of a family of 4 girls.  When J. Gottfried Erdmann, J Dorothea Elisabeth, 5 year old Louise and 4 year old Dorothea  arrived in 1845, the uncles [Samuel, Friedrich and Gottlieb] had been in South Australia for six years.  
• J. Gottlieb's (b1846)  grandfather J.Georg Kuchel  [1783-1845],  had died seven months earlier [in South Australia]  but his grandmother Anna Dorothea SEIFFERT  [1787-1860] was 59 years of age and was, possibly, living with one of her sons, Friedrich or Gottlieb who had not yet married. Perhaps they had 2 homes at Kuchenbergen, Samuel & his wife and child in one and the parents with their unmarried sons in the other.  
• Either way it would have been a blow to loose the help of Georg KUCHEL on the farm, the sons were still young and they had only been at Kuchenbergen for less than a couple of years.  

J Gottfried Erdmann and Dorothea's first born child in South Australia was Johann Gottlieb (1846-1923), followed by Johann Gottfried b1848 who did not live to see his second birthday, followed by Johann Friedrich known as 'Hanfried' [1850-1909] and  lastly a daughter Anna Elizabeth [1854-1932] when her mother J Dorothea was 43 years of age.

                                A College in the Wattles by Reg BUTLER page 363

KUCHEL Anna Elisabeth.  Attended Hahndorf Academy in the 1860's. Born 1 February 1854.  Died 27 August 1932.  Parents Gottfried KUCHEL farmer Hahndorf & Dorothea KUCHEL.  A son and brother to one of the Hahndorf's founding families.  Gottfried followed with his own young brood aboard the ' Patel ' in 1845.  His youngest child Elisabeth was born shortly before T.W. BOEHM took over Hahndorf's parish school and most of her education took place at BOEHM's subsequent academy.  

​Scarcely into her teens, A.E. KUCHEL's father died in a fall from a horse on the main road into Mt Barker near the old scholar MacFarlane farm.  It fell to Elisabeth's lot, as the youngest child, to remain with her mother until she in turn died after a long widowhood.  

In 1891, Elisabeth KUCHEL married an emigrant Berlin photographer, Edmund DIEDERICH, who had arrived in S.A. some ten years previously and spent much of his time travelling with a portable studio through the colony's settled areas to capture landscapes and formal portraits.  On occasion, Elisabeth and her baby daughter made the journey, once satisfactory arrangements had been made for Dorothea KUCHEL's welfare.

Following her mother's death, Elisabeth and Edmund settled on a working man's block near the old Hahndorf gold diggings.  Here, the DIEDRICH's built a home of stringy bark and clay found on the site.  A.E. KUCHEL performed the work of countless pioneer women, who raised a family, milked a cow and tended a garden while their husband's were away bringing in extra money. In this case, Edmund kept up his itinerant photography and did local work as required.  During a widowhood of some ten years, Elisabeth lived variously in Adelaide and Riverton.

3 of the children of Johann Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL & J Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL

Born in Prussia & Hahndorf:  5 children born between 1840-1854, 3 sisters and a brother.  2 sisters did not survive infancy 1843 & 1848, 3 of their children are in this photograph with their mother.Reverse: Grandmother KUCHEL, Gottlob KUCHEL Hanfried KUCHEL c1882-1884

     ├──  Johann Louise [1840-1922] 5 years old on Herjeebhoy Rustonjee Patel married 26 May 1859,  Ev Lutheran Church, Hahndorf,  Eduard David GREGOR   [1835-1910] had 10 children between 1861-1880.

    ├──  Johanna Dorothea [1842-1926] 4 years old on Herjeebhoy Rustonjee Patel married 28 February 1867, St Paul's, Hahndorf, Johann Wilhelm August GUST [1834-191], had 3 children between 1867-1873. 

    ├──  Johann Gottlieb [1846-1923] born Hahndorf, S.A. married 4 May 1871, St Michaels Church, Hahndorf by Pastor STREMPEL,  Johanne Louise LIEBELT [1848-1940], had 10 children between 1872-1891.  

    ├──  Johann Friedrich Hanfried [1850-1909] born Hahndorf, S.A. married 30 December 1897, St Paul's Hahndorf, Emma KUBERN [1862- ]. had 6 children between 1898-1908c.  

   └──  Anna Elizabeth [1854-1932] -born Hahndorf S.A. married 19 April 1891, Residence of Bride, near Hahndorf, to Rudolph Richard Edmund DIEDERICH, had a daughter followed by a son in 1889 and 1895.    

According to the SAGHS 'Birth Registrations' Database all of the South Australian born children were born in Hahndorf.  None of these births were recorded at Kirchenbergen.

 Mueller Photographic & Other Archival Material Collection Photo above:  Family photograph by 'HAEHNEL & Co' of the youngest 3 adult children & their mother J. Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL b1811.  

The female on the left in this photograph is not identified on the reverse, but I believe it to be Anna Elizabeth KUCHEL, the youngest child, & she is with her mother and two older brothers.  

Note the back drop, it is repeated in other Edmund DIEDERICH photographs.

When was this photo taken?  1882-1884c, if so it means mother was 73 years, (she died in 1895) Gottlieb 38 years, (had been married for 13 years & had 7 of their 10 children) Hanfried 34 years (unmarried, did not marry until 1897) and Anna 30 years.  Their husband and father had died 15 years before.

In 1891, Anna Elizabeth KUCHEL b1854, married photographer Edmund DIEDERICH  who was the 'Co' in 'HAEHNEL & Co', and it is probable that it was her husband who took this photograph, 7 years before they married & 5 years before their 1st child was born.  Maybe this was how they met.

Anna Elisabeth KUCHEL	Johanna Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL.  Sister no 2	Johann Friedrich Hanfried KUCHEL	Johann Gottfried KUCHEL

6.  Johanna Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL. Sister no 2. Photograph taken in the same clothes & ? the same day as the photograph above with her 3 children c1882-1884
	1937, 42 years after her death   I. Scharenberg, Hahndorf, writes:- 'This is a photograph of my grandmother in there 'Sunday best.'  She was one of the many old settlers who had a hard battle but never lost faith.     Her headdress in the picture is a white cap with a big black handkerchief tied around it.  Her skirt is striped, and worn beneath a black apron, and her jacket is tucked into the apron.'
Photograph by Edmund DIEDERICH, note his stamp on the reverse 'Grandmother KUCHEL'.   John Mueller Photographic & Other Archival Materials Collection.	Ida Clara Auguste KUCHEL 1889-1978, the first child of J.D.W. KUCHEL's youngest daughter Anna Elisabeth KUCHEL.     Ida wrote this in 1937 when she was 48 years of age and married to Ludwig Theodore Harry SCHARENBERG.

KUCHEL sister no 2

7.  Blamed for his death 

Family of Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL, premature death, 1869 at Mt Barker, S.A.

Johann Gottfried Erdmann died in 1869 as a result of an accident at Mt Barker, when he fell from his horse, two years before his first son, Gottlieb, [the first Australian born child], was married. On that spring evening when Erdmann fell from his horse, near the 'Oakfield Hotel', he apparently appeared intoxicated, (or was it as a result of a head injury and cerebral bleed) and was taken inside the hotel to sleep the night.  His sons, Gottlieb 23 years and  Friedrich 19 years came with a cart to collect him the next day, Sunday. While he had no obvious injuries, he was very quiet and sleepy.  Sometime between Sunday and Tuesday his wife [& 1st cousin] and one of his lads thought he 'seemed unconscious' and help was called.  A Mr de Valluois of Balhannah was called and prescribed 'Seidlitz powder and Epsom salts, and ordered cold water to be applied to the head and chest'.  Over the next few days till Friday he became unresponsive, neither eating, drinking or talking, and was probably incontinent, until he ceased breathing altogether. 

 The Courier 1869

"The deceased came to his death from the effects of a fall from his horse on the 20th instant: that the relatives of the deceased are to blame for not having called in the assistance of a duly qualified medical man, such a one being in the immediate neighbourhood; that the deceased was improperly treated."  

​'On 20 September, 1869, Gottfried was badly injured in a fall from a horse in Mount Barker, [near the old primary school on Adelaide Road] and he died on Friday the 24th.  At 4pm on Sunday the 26th, he was buried by Pastor A. FIEDLER in the cemetery of the St Johannes Lutheran Church at Hahndorf [at the rear of the manse of the present St Paul's Lutheran Church]'.  KUCHEL page 6

At the time of his accident Erdmann was 57 years of age, had been in South Australia for 24 years and his wife Dorothea was about the same age. The widow Dorothea lived another 26 years, she "lived the latter part of her days in a house opposite the present Hahndorf Cemetery.  She died on 18 May, 1895, at the age of 85.  A hearse was not needed, as she was carried across the road from her home and laid to rest near the cemetery gates.  For a good while afterwards her dog was often found lying on the grave."  (KUCHEL pge 6).

8.  Johann Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL's children's situation in 1869, when he died suddenly, at 57 years of age

In 1869 when Erdmann died so unexpectedly and in such terrible circumstances his children were blamed in the newspaper for not making the right decisions regarding the calling of the doctor.

Reverse:  'Grandfather KUCHEL & his sisters'.  John Mueller Photographic & Archival Material Collection

├──  Johanna Louise KUCHEL:  29 years of age, and had been married for 10 years and was well pregnant with her 5th child to husband Eduard GREGOR.

├──  Johanna Dorothea KUCHEL:  27 years of age, had been married for less than 2 years and had a young daughter to her husband August GUST.

├──  Gottlieb KUCHEL:  was 23 years of age, married two years later  in 1871.

├──  Johann Friedrich KUCHEL known as 'Hanfried':  19 years of age [did not marry until he was 47 years of age].  Missing from photograph.

└── The youngest sibling was Anna Elizabeth KUCHEL: 15 years of age [did not marry until 37 years of age].

LEFT:  Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL b1846 with his 3 surviving sisters, far left Johanne Louise KUCHEL b1840 m GREGOR in 1859, middle Johanne Dorothea KUCHEL b1842 m GUST in 1867, standing Anna Elizabeth KUCHEL b1854 m DIEDERICH in 1891.

Was this photograph taken after Hanfried's death in 1909?  His siblings would have been aged in 1909:  Louise 69 years (lived to be 82), Dorothea 67 years (lived to be 84), Anna 55 years (lived to be 78) & Gottlieb 63 years (lived to be 77 years).

Oakfield Hotel, Mount Barker:   A Scottish farmer, Lachlan Macfarlane had built the Oakfield in 1861 close to the road in Mount Barker and he supplied passing traffic and the coach trade on its way to the eastern states via Wellington on the Murray River. this hotel was later incorporated into the summer residence of Robert & Joanna BARR SMITH, now known as Auchendarroch .

The original stone work of the Oakfield can still be determined.  In 1869 when the accident occurred Lachlan was 63 years of age, all of his 11 children had been born, and from the following year he leased out the Hotel to other publicans.  Lachlan's wife, Anna Dorothea Luise LUBASCH was 13 years of age on the 'Zebra' in 1839, and one of the 7 daughters of Gottfried LUBASCH, Waterloo Veteran and first hotelier in Hahndorf.

In two years hence from his father's untimely and sudden death young Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL b1846 was to marry Johanne Louise KUCHEL b1848, who was the niece of Johanna Dorothea Luise LUBASCH 

8.   More information & photographs of descendants

of Johann Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL & Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL can be found through the links below

├──  Johanna Dorothea KUCHEL   1842-1926.   Married Johann Wilhelm August GUST.   Their children were:

         ├──  Anna Louise GUST  (1867 death date unknown  Married John Allan Barry WILSON (b unknown]

         ├──  Friedrich Wilhelm GUST   (1870 death date unknown. Never married.

         └──  Heinrich August GUST  (b1873 death date unknown]. Never married.

 ├──  Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL  1846-1923.  Married Johanne Louise LIEBELT.   Their children were:

                      ├──  Anna 'Bertha'  KUCHEL  1872-193   Married William COLLINS     

   ├── Gustav Adolph KUCHEL  1873-1931  Married Louise Martha BRAENDLER

         ├──  Johanne Caroline KUCHEL  1875-1876  

         ├──  Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL  1877-1951  Married Marie Bertha SCHMEISS

         ├──  Gottfried Alfred KUCHEL  1879-1967. Married Rose Therese Irene HENNINGSEN.

         ├──  Maria 'Emma' KUCHEL  1881-1923. Married Wilhelm 'Albert' EY

         ├──  Pauline Hulda KUCHEL  1883-1957. Married  Edward Otto MUELLER.

          ├──  Martha Mathilda KUCHEL  1886-1887.      

          ├──  Johanna Louise KUCHEL   1888. Married Ernest  NELSON.

          └──  Johann Friedrich Wilhelm KUCHEL   1891-1960.  Never married.

├──   Johann Friedrich Hanfried KUCHEL  1850-1909.  Married Emma KUBERN.   Their children were:

        ├──  Johann Friedrich KUCHEL  1898-1898.

        ├──  Caroline Dorothea KUCHEL  1899-1920

        ├──  Albert Edward KUCHEL  1901-1963.  Married Adeline Ivy Laura Maud PENNERY.

        ├──  Alma Othilie KUCHEL  1902-1974   Married Herbert Wilhelm ZEUNERT.

        ├──  Ida Clara Auguste KUCHEL  b1907-1990

        └──  Clara A KUCHEL  Married WOOLLEY ???

 ──   Anna Elizabeth KUCHEL  1854-1932.  Married to Rudolph Richard Edmund DIEDERICH.   Their children were: 

        ├──  Ida Clara Auguste DIEDERICH.     Married Ludwig Theodore Harry SCHARENBERG

       └──  Wilhelm Paul DIEDERICH.              Married Kath NEWCOMBE

8.   Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL

• Born:         21 April 1846 Hahndorf, South Australia
• Married:      4 May 1871 St Michaels Ev Lutheran Church, Hahndorf, South Australia 
• Died:           31 October 1923 Hahndorf, S.A. aged 77 years
• Buried:        Hahndorf Cemetery

Johanne Louise LIEBELT

• Born:           15 June 1848 Hahndorf, South Australia 
• Married:       4 May 1871 
• Widowed:    1923 aged 75 years
• Died:              29 March 1940 Hahndorf, S.A. aged 91 years
• Buried:          Hahndorf Cemetery

 Louise & Gottlieb, with or without their family, at weddings, gatherings & informal settings are the central characters in many of the 300 or so photographs, (many taken by Gottlieb's sisters husband, photographer Edmund DIEDERICH 1890-1923),  are at the centre of a photograph surrounded by any number of their 8 children and their partners.  

The Art Gallery of SA has Edmund DIEDERICH taking photographs between 1890-1923.

	John Mueller Photographic Collection & Other Archival Materials

	Hahndorf Cemetery   In Loving Memory of   Father J. Gottlieb KUCHEL died 31 January 1923 aged 76 years   Mother Johanne L. KUCHEL died 29 March 1940 aged 91 years
Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/201498426/johann_gottlieb-kuchel: accessed May 22, 2025), memorial page for Johann Gottlieb Kuchel (21 Apr 1846–31 Jan 1923), Find a Grave Memorial ID 201498426, citing Hahndorf Cemetery, Hahndorf, District Council of Mount Barker, South Australia, Australia; Maintained by Faithe Jones (contributor 50048377).   Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/201498427/johanne_louise-kuchel: accessed May 22, 2025), memorial page for Johanne Louise Liebelt Kuchel (15 Jun 1848–29 Mar 1940), Find a Grave Memorial ID 201498427, citing Hahndorf Cemetery, Hahndorf, District Council of Mount Barker, South Australia, Australia; Maintained by Faithe Jones (contributor 50048377).

Their 'KUCHEL' home in 1878ca, Hd Kuitpo, Section 3913 

LIEBELT Family History page 49  Johanne Louise LIEBELT & Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL,

Section 3913, Hd of Kuitpo.'Immediately after their marriage Johanne and Gottlieb lived at Friedrichstadt on the Mount Barker Rd., then in Hahndorf in English Street.  They then moved in about 1878, to part of Section 3913, in the Hundred of Kuitpo which Johanne's father had purchased.  

Here Gottlieb built a home of slabs, straw and mud.  The home was demolished several years ago, the site now being marked by a few old trees.  Gottlieb was a carpenter, making rakes and other tools as well as hurdles for the Oakbank races.  

Gottlieb died on October 31, 1923; Johanne reached the high age of 91 years passing away on March 29, 1940.  Both are buried in the Hahndorf cemetery where their grave is marked by a tombstone.  

Their old homestead property is now owned and farmed by Mr K LIEBELT, a grandson of Johanne's brother August.'

1921, KUCHEL/LIEBELT golden wedding. John Mueller Photographic & Other Archival Materials Collection

The 1921 family photographs below was probably taken in front of the family home & thatched farm buildings on Section 3913.

 The timber slab barn with the thatched roof is in the background of all 3 photos 

Louise and Gottlieb may be surrounded by their siblings.John Mueller Photographic & Other Archival Materials Collection

	“ Family group at KUCHEL’s Golden Wedding: Back: Bertha KRAMM, Gustav, Louise THIELE, Auguste MARTIN, Gottlieb, Wilhelm.  In front: Gottlieb and Johanna KUCHEL”
Where is this photo taken? The KUCHEL’s lived on part of Section 3913 on Echunga Road.   On page  75, LIEBELT Family History this photograph above is placed underneath the story about ‘Anna  Bertha LIEBELT & Carl Reinhold KRAMM’,  The LIEBELT / KRAMM home was further away from Hahndorf & on the other side of the Echunga Road. Anna Bertha LIEBELT is the younger sister [by 19 years] of Johanna Louise LIEBELT.   Bertha was only 4 years old when Louise married Gottfried KUCHEL.

Fairalie LIEBELT & Alan WITTWER identified these standing 8 adults [4 women & 4 men] in this  photographs as a ‘family group’.  
I suggest that the standing adults in this photo above are all LIEBELT siblings of Johanna Louise LIEBELT who is seated with her husband.
LFH provides only 6 names, 3 female & 3 male names to go with this photo.

The names given in LFH;

• Auguste, Louise, Bertha + 1 unnamed
• Wilhelm, Gottlieb, Gustav + 1 unnamed
• 8 standing adults in the photo = 2 names missing. 

Johanna Louise LIEBELT b1848 had4 surviving sisters named:

• Maria Elisabeth b1855, Caroline Auguste b1858, Maria Louise b1862, Anna Bertha b1867.
• After marriage they became Maria Elisabeth ALTMANN, Caroline Auguste MARTIN, Marie Louise THIELE & Anna Bertha KRAMM
• It appears that Maria Elisabeth ALTMANN is not named but is possibly in the photo.

5 brothers:

• Johann Friedrich Wilhelm b1851, Johann Gottlieb b1853, Johann Friedrich b1857, Johann August b1860, Hermann Gustav b1864.
• They married Johanna Wilhelmine KLAEBSCH, Johanne Dorathea SAWADE, Marie Louise MINKWITZ, Ottilie Clara ALTMANN, 
• If this is a photo of the ‘siblings’ of Johanna Louise LIEBELT then one brother is missing and another is present but not been named.
• Missing brother & unnamed brother:
• No 6 Johann Friedrich LIEBELT b1857 aged 64 m MINKWITZ
•              No 8 Johann August LIEBELT b1860 aged 61 m ALTMANN

Louise Liebelt and Gottlieb Kuchel's Golden Wedding anniversary 1921

• Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL is 75 years & Johanne Eleanore LIEBELT is 73 years of age, both seated.     
• Below: All photos from same Golden Wedding event.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
• The timber slab barn with the thatched roof is in the background of all 3 photos

^{'LIEBELT family KUCHEL Golden Wedding'  Louise and Gottlieb probably surrounded by their siblings.} 

9.  Children of Johanna Louise LIEBELT & Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL 

Photographs and information about the 8 surviving children from this marriage :  

• Anna Bertha KUCHEL
• Gustav Adolph KUCHEL
• Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL
• Gottfried Alfred KUCHEL
• Maria Emma KUCHEL
• Pauline Hulda KUCHEL
• Johanna Louise KUCHEL
• Johann Friedrich Wilhelm KUCHEL

Liebelt - Kuchel Header:  An overview of all of the Liebelt-Kuchel & Kuchel-Kuchel links below:    

Liebelt - Kuchel 1.    Liebelt - Kuchel 2.   Liebelt - Kuchel 4    Liebelt - Kuchel 5    Liebelt - Kuchel 6

Kuchel - Kuchel 7    Kuchel - Kuchel 8    Kuchel - Kuchel 9    Kuchel - Kuchel 10.   Kuchel - Kuchel 11.    Kuchel - Kuchel 11 part 2