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Hand Perpetually in the cookie jar of projects: Writing Electronic Music of all kinds Python, C, and some others
In Progress list: Trying all sorts of new food
To do list: Sleep
2008-07-08 02:26:49 Sleepy cat is on your shoulder watching you take him for a ride. —Jedron
2008-09-01 13:08:26 Those actually weren't sarcastic. That's from Robin Williams who was raised and is Episcopalian (according to interviews, at any rate). I actually figured it was an urban legend (like many comedic "lists" attributed to various comedians and famous figures), but it appears to be an actual list he read on HBO and is reproduced on several Episcopal Church websites with nary a refutation on the various urban legend debunking sites. I have a feeling the person who added it was doing so out of a sense of pride in their church. —Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards
2008-09-02 09:27:38 How is that text insulting? I'm absolutely serious. I don't see how ANYONE could be offended by it. I say this as a Southern Baptist, whose doctrine parts of that list poke fun at. —WilliamLewis
2008-09-13 18:48:26 Hey Scott, pardon for being presumptuous about what we want to portray on the wiki site. (You do know I am the same Carrie who is helping out with the site right?) Anyhow, at first I didn't know it was you, I was a little taken aback. But anyhow, it is what it is. I can see the argument that it being offensive to OTHER churches would make it undesirable for our purposes, since we don't want to offend other people... I'm not up for defending it really. Hope you aren't mad. Anyhow, cheerio! —CarrieBishop
2011-10-11 11:11:57 What inaccuracies? I'd rather fix that than leave out stuff like the difference between rite 1 and rite 2 and who can take communion. —WilliamLewis
2011-10-11 11:25:25 Did they used to meet there? —JabberWokky
2011-10-11 11:39:38 I don't go to St. Martin's (I'm not even in Davis) nor am I Episcopal. I am, however, quite familiar with Episcopal doctrine and liturgy. The general statements about Episcopal churches were accurate to the best of my knowledge. The information specific to St. Martin's seemed reasonable. You've removed a wealth of information by calling it "inaccurate and out of date" yet you have declined to specify what was wrong. I am going to restore information about the connection to the Belfry, policies on communion, the difference between the rites, and the notes on episcopal structure (especially with regards to the Church of England), which are all relevant and accurate to the best of my knowledge, unless you can name any specific objections to this material. It's all useful material that the wiki should have. —WilliamLewis
2011-10-11 12:27:21 I'm not picking on you or your church. I just want the wiki to be informative. When you delete information from the wiki, you make it less useful. There also seems to be a misunderstanding here when you refer to a page on this wiki as your church's website. The wiki is a community resource maintained by the community. It belongs to everyone. The church staff is one voice here, but certainly not the only one.
As for your remark on my page, "Saying St. Martin's goes with the Church of England is not accurate," this is the statement you deleted about the relationship of St. Martin's to the Church of England:
The Episcopal Church originated with the Church of England (hence the name "Anglican"), headed today by the Right Honorable and Most Reverend Dr. Rowan Douglas Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury. Today, the Episcopal Churches in the U.S. and around the world are part of the Anglican Communion. The Episcopal Church in the United States retains its own independent leadership and structure; hence it is not subordinate to the Church of England, but traces its spiritual roots there.
The page never said that "St. Martin's goes with the Church of England." It said that ECUSA (which St. Martin's is a part of) is independent of the Church of England, but had its roots there. It also correctly states that ECUSA is part of the Anglican Communion. St. Martin's is part of the ECUSA Diocese of Northern California, and thus part of the Anglican Communion, correct? Your bishop is Barry Beisner, correct? I'm not terribly in love with the wording, but it seems to be correct.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this Daubert
2011-10-11 12:35:35 Basically, work with me here. —WilliamLewis
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ also this Daubert
2011-10-11 13:29:04 Hey Scott, please take a few minutes and read Welcome to the Wiki/Business Owner. While you're obviously not the owner of the church, it explains some of the principles at play here. It'll probably help clear up some confusion. —TomGarberson
2011-10-11 17:00:40 People call Episcopal churches "Anglican." It's important to explain why. And the Baptists aren't in communion with Rome. ECUSA is in communion with the CoE. Different situations. And heck, going further, the liturgy used by the CoE and ECUSA is pretty much identical whereas the Baptists don't use any liturgy, but especially not anything from the Roman Catholic church which is not infrequently called "the whore of Babylon" in Baptist circles.
But let's ignore that for a bit. Why remove the stuff about the Belfry? Rite 1 and rite 2? Open communion? —WilliamLewis