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2009-01-13 19:39:40   Welcome to the Wiki. Please read Welcome to the Wiki/Business Owner. —JasonAller

2009-01-13 19:49:10   The other option you could use is to create a redirect for the second name for the business to the existing page. Just create the new page with the other name and insert #redirect Village Cab alone on the page. —JasonAller

2009-01-13 20:11:13   Ok, it looks like the only thing we can't fix is the left over page you created called "Village Cab // 530753TAXI 24HOUR SVC". There is something about using two slashes together like that in a page name that causes problems. Maybe you can ask PhilipNeustrom to fix that. —JasonAller

2009-01-13 20:21:21   thanks alot for helping me out with this. i'm not adept enough obviuosly, but if you could help me get the 530753TAXI in the title it would help. I am getting hits on this part of my biz name through the phonebook and some places on the web. —DavidPlacencia

2009-01-13 20:24:26   ["530753TAXI 24Hour Service"] does redirect to Village Cab now. Can you ask Philip to clean up that one extra page? —JasonAller

2009-01-13 22:47:27

You know, there is this wonderful thing called the internet that all these people are using these days.


2010-05-09 18:55:09   Max? —StevenDaubert

2011-03-18 09:00:03   I can understand your serious concern regarding the recent comment on Village Cab, David. As a brief bit of information: While some reports like these are from anonymous editors (and thus often deleted due to lack of support), Ashley is a fairly prominent public figure among UCD students, active in student government and several student organizations. This is not an anonymous anecdote. It would appear she is personally standing by her story. It would be a good idea to verify that she posted it, although I can't imagine that anybody who obtained unintended access her account would post something of this nature. By the way, an honest statement is never libel, and legal intimidation is generally frowned upon on the wiki. On the other hand, figuring out what happened is pretty important. Who knows — the driver's significant other may have been the fare, and he felt guilty about kissing her on duty! Or you may face the unpleasant task dealing with a driver who did something you'll need to deal with. Best of luck. —Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards, [email protected] (814) 889-8845

2011-03-21 13:00:26   I agree that she should have been more willing to talk with you to resolve this rather than deciding to take her ball and go home. But what's done is done. I can only hope she'll decide to contact you directly at some point to resolve this. Thank you sir. —ARWENNHOLD

2011-03-21 13:16:16   Deleting the Village Cab page is not an option, much as you might wish for that to happen. —DonShor

2011-03-21 13:21:11   David, you do not own the entry about Village Cab any more than you own a review in the Enterprise written about Village Cab. Please do not destroy community content. —JabberWokky

2011-03-21 13:27:24   Yes, but the entry is about Village Cab, in the same way an article about Village Cab in the Enterprise is about the company, but does not belong to the company. The vast majority of entries on the wiki about businesses were created by, and are maintained by, members of the community. PLEASE READ Welcome to the Wiki/Business Owner. Many people have asked you to do so, and it would clarify many things. —JabberWokky

2011-03-21 13:32:56   David, the comment and your response, IMO, are actually fine now. She has made her point, you as business owner have given a reasoned reply. Had the whole thing gone down this way from the start, much ill will could have been avoided. You can add to your comment at any time, but I really thing the back-and-forth stands well on its own at this time. I certainly understand your frustration about this whole episode. —DonShor

2011-03-21 13:46:07   David-it's not our responsibility if she doesn't respond. If she doesn't respond, you are stuck where you are. You've done your best to respond professionally. I would just move on. —PeterBoulay

2011-03-21 14:05:53   You have the same control over content that I have. The same control anybody has. You can add, delete and revert the same as me. Just like everybody else can. That's why it has to come to rest at some point. (And by the way, Peter uses "our" — keep in mind that ANYBODY on the wiki always speaks for themselves). Sometimes the more experienced folk can predict how things will go because they've seen similar situations before, but there's no absolute here. I've guessed wrong which way the wind is blowing too many times to think I can speak for everybody else en masse. And that's the crux: I don't get my way all the time, nor will you. Nor does anybody who edits more than a few times. There are many different opinions, all held by many different people... all with the exact same rights and capabilities to edit the same content. That's why finding a solution to some issues is so darn hard. —JabberWokky

2011-03-21 14:10:14   I'd suggest sitting on it for a while. Give it a few days, and see if you hear anything more from Ashley. Based on the information there, I know it must be almost impossible for you to investigate, so hopefully she'll follow up. The one discussion that didn't really occur on the Talk page was what to actually do with the content. Everyone got too caught up in other disputes, tempers ran high, and the whole thing got pretty nasty. I think everyone involved could do with a wiki chill pill (which seems to already be happening, thankfully). If nothing has changed in a few days, a week, whatever, bring it up again. My impression is that I'm not the only one who was somewhat troubled by the lack of detail in the comment, and the problems that inherently creates for you in investigating and replying. After a little time passes, my hope is that there can be a calm discussion of the content, rather than superseding issues. For the time being, as a couple people have noted, you've responded well on the page. There's no urgency. I know the feeling of needing to get it resolved, but at this point further back-and-forth is unlikely to accomplish anything.

I wouldn't agree with what I took from Pete's "it's not our problem" comment; give it some time, revisit it if things haven't changed, and see what people think when tempers aren't running hot. —TomGarberson

  • Let me clarify—-if she doesn't come back or speak up further, there's simply not a lot that the Wiki can do. This feels more and more like a hit and run attack by Ashley and I for one don't like it. I think your best way to address it is to find her and speak to her personally. —PeteB

2011-03-21 15:34:58   in my heart of hearts i do believe something wrong is happening here. I appreciate your Voluntary commentary and your interest in the vivacity of the wiki. I am sure you are all very busy people with real tangible lives. I dont know why the comments shouldnt be posted to ashleys page as her own personal opinions, and if she decides at some later time to unfold her story with investigable facts, then her page can be restored and she can as easily then publicize her facts. reposting her story in its present form is already creating confusion and backlash within some of my ridership. She is an adult who chose to send in a story, and unless theres backline contact with her noone else can see evidence of here, we cant infer why she chose to unPage herself. She isnt accusing a driver, but an entire business, and it implies an endless number of things that noone can defend against. I appreciate your comments, but I obviusly dont have any power over the editorial decision making process, and this also feels wrong. Someone likened this to a newspaper article, but i think a newspaper may at least investigate facts before allowing a destructive story to go to print, and enabling what is now a voyeuristic spectacle surrounding a business' reputation being put into question. thank you for reading and thinking and volunteering. —DavidPlacencia

2011-03-21 18:43:53   I am trying to do the best I can to be neutral in the recent issue on the business page and am also trying to work with the community as a whole to come up with more workable solutions to issues similar to it as a whole. Trust me when I say that it took a lot for me not to attack the allegation as complete BS in my attempt to be neutral. I know you personally and also know you would not tolerate anything of the sort, but I cannot sit back and attack the accuser or the accused in this or any other issue that arises.

I have been a member of the DavisWiki for a long time and know it to be a valuable resource for all, I also know that from time to time it is imperfect and always will be. We are all trying to work together to find a way for it to become as close as possible to this ideal. You did your part to clear the business' name and reputation. —Wes-P

2011-03-21 19:09:00   Recent events in Libya, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Japan, Iraq & the Supermoon, and this intense situation all make me think about the aspects of life when perspectives all overlap, contradict, and enrage...Akira Kurusawa's - Rashomon. —DavidPlacencia

2011-03-21 19:12:00   Rashomon, and the summer of 1991 in Davis. Good Luck! —JasonAller

2011-03-21 23:54:36   The Talk/Talk page was just a test example to look for a better way of discussing things. It wasn't real. Sorry if it confused you. —JabberWokky

2011-03-22 12:09:17   That's the thing David, I cannot end the "vote". I was looking for a resolution and feel your recent comment on the main page may suffice. I stated such on the top of the talk page. Hopefully it comes to an end soon. Personally, I think it's gone on long enough. —Wes-P

2011-03-22 12:10:11   And that rewrite, sir, gained my immediate respect. That was a very classy, seriously well thought out way to address the situation. I have no idea how it will play out, but it is a phenomenal example of paying attention and trying to find a solution that addresses the various concerns different individuals have voiced about this issue. —Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards, [email protected]

2011-03-22 12:18:41   I echo JW's sentiments. —OliviaY

2011-03-22 13:36:25   I'm also very impressed with your rewrite. Nice job! —ScottMeehleib

2011-03-22 18:23:31   Nothing anyone can do about it unless he clarifies what he is saying no to. —Wes-P

2011-03-27 17:38:48   Hey David, I switched the e-mail addresses on Village Cab back to the [[Mailto(villagecabdavis AT gmail DOT com)]] format. It's macro that makes the page display a proper e-mail address, but doesn't appear to be an actual e-mail address to automated programs that search the interwebs for e-mail address to sell to spammers. If you look at the page, you'll see that it displays as a linked e-mail address, as intended. This way, it just keeps spambots from seeing it that way. —TomGarberson

2011-03-27 17:39:51   Whoops, sorry, apparently I jumped the gun—you weren't done editing yet. I'll let you finish up. If you need any help, just shout. —TomGarberson

2011-03-28 12:45:03   thanks...i figured somebody out there would lend a hand...i'm still it wasnt obvious i guess —DavidPlacencia

2011-03-28 12:49:13   We all are :) —TomGarberson

2011-04-22 11:25:29   It looks like another visit to the talk page is needed. In the interest of keeping the conversation in one place, rather than on multiple user pages, I went ahead and recreated Village Cab/Talk, and replied to your comment to CP. —TomGarberson

2011-04-22 11:52:36   You can add text directly into any page by clicking on the "Edit" button next to the page's title. It makes it easier to respond directly to people, because you can add your text immediately after theirs. To indent your reply, just add a space to the start of what you're writing. Additional indentation just requires one extra space. For example:

This has one space

This has two spaces

You can also add an asterisk (*) after the space, before your text, to create bullet points. They can make it clear where your comment starts.

  • One space and an asterisk
    • Two spaces and an asterisk

This way, it's fairly easy to follow a conversation, particularly with multiple people joining in. If this is my statement, and you and several other people reply...

  • Your reply might look like this
    • If I reply to you, it could go here
  • Covert Professor might reply to my initial comment as well, so CP would just indent once

Basically, just click to edit the page, scroll down to just below the comment to which you're replying, add one more space onto however many they had, and type away. Hope that helps! —TomGarberson

2011-04-22 14:05:42   If you think that no one acts altruistically, then I am very sorry for you. You have a very negative impression of human beings and their behaviors. I acted in accordance with what I took to be the previous consensus. If the new consensus is that the comment should be removed, then I will agree with that. But please, let's keep the discussion on the Talk page. It becomes very confusion for other editors who — yes, care — and are trying to follow what is going on. I am very sorry to hear about your mother. Please accept my condolences for your loss. —CovertProfessor

2011-04-22 14:12:29   I just brought it up myself, on the talk page. As for the tone of my reply, I was just astonished that you could have been through that whole discussion and failed to learn the first thing about how the wiki works — you are not a newbie here. And I would never presume to participate in something like this before first figuring out what it's all about. —CovertProfessor

2011-04-22 15:37:47   Sorry, trying to get a couple of motions filed before 4:30, so I haven't been very responsive. I'll try and follow up this evening, or tomorrow. —TomGarberson

2011-04-22 23:43:47   Davis Wiki can be very frustrating to business owners, and you are dealing with a prime example of the problems with ad hoc management. Nobody's in charge, so everybody's in charge, but not really. Nevertheless, it's best to keep participating. Take care. —DonShor

2011-04-25 11:04:09   Do you have any data that would show the magnitude of the impact this comment has had on Village Cab? Something like calls per day over a period of a few weeks prior to and after the comment was left? Obviously it's up to you whether you want to start divulging business records here. It might be useful to have a concrete frame of reference when you guys talk about getting fewer calls, though. —TomGarberson

  • I talked to a driver who mentioned that he was asked about it... I personally found that to be a pretty important aspect. -jw

2011-04-25 13:39:15   i understand the spirit of the request. but there is no way any drop in business is attributable to this directly. All i do know is the obvious. We have been providing as much clarification as the original story does, if not more. the real point from a business perspective is how can anyone track what PERCEPTION and FIRST iMPRESSION has on someone when they click past our page for another ? The point further is that thw WiKi wasnt equipped to handle this kind of QuAsi-Libel and I cant stomach my business being objectified and studied like some insect in a lab experiment. The facts are there are no facts. And i am sorry i turned toward looking at Ashleys page to see who she was and found mainly acid & vinegar. I brought up the pejorative nature of some other accusations she had made and no effort then was made to create and Accusations Page. But i am glad its being done now. But if these matters arent considered from a viewpoint of FAIRnESS, then what pray tell, IS going on here? In an effort to follow due diligence i wrote a comment that avoided White-Washing the issue & made a very public commitment to placing cameras in our cabs by fiscal years end. Village Cab has had 0 legal or integrity issues against us on public or private records beside a couple of fixit tickets. It has been over 30 days since the vote to allow my revision, but that wasnt a permanent decision. No new helpful evidence has been shown to SOLVE the questions left behind by ashleys story, and I have personally had 2 corporate clients (which is not prudent of me to divulge) about how founded in truth the story's claims are. I have just lost my mother, who helped me and inspired me to start this business, and i am heartbroken that this much exposure of a dubious nature is persisting in light of little FACT and much emotion. I can not vouch for anyone who doesnt take a license plate, a phone number, a cab number, or even describe the physical elements necessary for tangible conclusions to be made. It is not prudent to conjecture DOLLARS lost from people who are just calling someone else. But As I have said before, why do we have to prove specifics when its not being demanded of the accuser? wiki editors recieve no legal training , no academic guidance before they attain their titles of Community Member or such. There was no caution offered to anyone wanting to expose wrongdoing against a business. It has circulated enough! You guys know the clicks and who views can see the number of page views, etc. no? It is not right that our name is being dragged through the mud for so long, is it?


2011-04-26 13:55:07   No problem. I don't particularly care about the drama, I just want whatever resolution is best for the community. As long as people are voting on that criterion, and not out of anger or stubbornness, I completely respect their opinion, be it to keep the comment or to remove it. I'm apparently the only one who likes option 3 :) —TomGarberson

2011-09-19 11:07:02   Hey David, mind chiming in over at Wiki Community/Cabs? What kind of information should be on cabs pages in terms of licenses and such? Also, would you mind explaining in what situations a cab needs an SMF license/transponder thingy? —WilliamLewis

2011-09-19 12:09:40   I kind of kicked your comment suggestion over to Wiki Community/Cabs. The information is certainly awkward on the cab entries, but it's reasonable to collect. Perhaps a dedicated entry that demystifies the regulations and lays out what exists in Davis (both the regulations and how the local cab services are filed) makes more sense than trying to put info and a full explanation on each individual entry. —JabberWokky

2012-08-30 14:22:48   David, I added a comment bar to the Davis taxi page. You can post a comment now. —LoriOrf