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John MUELLER Collection
LIEBELT & KUCHEL Anna Dorothea STEINBORN & Johann Christoph LIEBELT& Daniel KUCHEL, Johann George KUCHEL & Anna Dorothea SEIFFERT |
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Summary
Anna Dorothea SEIFFERT & Johann Georg KUCHEL arrived 1838, with 3 sons, their eldest son Johann Gottfried Erdmann married his 1st cousin & arrived later, in 1845. Erdmann's wife's [Johanna Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL] father was Daniel KUCHEL whose older daughter was Maria Elizabeth KUCHEL Maria Elisabeth KUCHEL married Johann Christian LIEBELT & they arrived in 1839, Christian's parents were Anna Elisabeth STEINBORN & Johann Christoph LIEBELT who arrived 1838 with the SEIFFERT & KUCHEL family, on the 'Prince George'. Anna Elisabeth STEINBORN was one of the oldest Prussians to arrive in South Australia in 1838/9. The geography of where they came from is examined.
The connection is made with 106 Main Street, Hahndorf, as well as the LUBASCH & LIEBELT pioneering property on Echunga Road, at Friedrichstadt as well as the area known as Kirchenbergen. A newspaper report blames the family of Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL for his premature death in 1869 from an accident near the Oakfield Hotel, [built in Mt Barker by Lachlan MacFARLAN who had married a LUBASCH.]. There is also an architectural summary of the early KUCHEL house and an attempt to identify the individuals in the photo.
The family names mentioned in this article
ALTMANN, ANGAS, BARR SMITH, BARTEL, BERRY, BRAENDLER, BINDER, BODATSCH, BOTHE, BURFORD, COLLINS, DALLY, DIEDERICH, EBEL, EY, FAEHRMANN, FAULL, FECHNER, FIEDLER, FLADRICH, FRITSCHE, FILLGRAF, GREGOR, GREENBERGER, GIERKE, GREISER, GRAETZ, GRUNEBERGER, GUST, HAEHNEL, HAGEN, HERBIG, HENNINGSEN, HIRTE, HOFFMANN, HOENKE, HOLST, HÜBBE, KAVEL, KLENKE, KNISPEL, KOCKEJOY, KUCHEL, KUBERN, JAENSCH, LANGE, LAUN, LEDER, LEHMANN, LEYDEN, LIEBELT, LUBASCH, LUUR FOX, van der MOLEN, MARSH, MACFARLAN, MACFARLANE, MARSCHNER, MARKS, MUES, MUELLER, MÜLLER, NELSON, NEWCOMBE, NIESCHE, PAECH, PAETZEL, PENNERY, PINK, POHL, PHILLIPS, RAU, RITTER, SEIDEL, SCMEISS, SCHNEEMILCH, SCHARENBERG, SCHWERDT, SCHULZ, SCHÜTZ, SCHUBERT, SEIFFERT, STARICK, STEINBORN, STREMPEL, SOAR, SÜSS, THIELE, TRIMPER, YOUNG, VORWERK, WARNEST, WENDT, WITTWER, WIRTH, WILSON, WOLF, WOOLLEY, WOODLAND, ZEUNERT, ZILM,
Aim of this Article
Display the 'John MUELLER Photographic Collection & Other Archival Material' connected to the LIEBELT and KUCHEL descendants
Through family tree connections & research, identify the individuals captured in the 'Collection' by the camera, as well as identify their early land acquisitions and farm/home sites.
Table of Contents
1. Introduction
2. Anna Elisabeth STEINBORN was one of the oldest Prussians to arrive in South Australia in 1838/9
3. Anna Elisabeth STEINBORN & Johann Christoph LIEBELT [Senior]
Children
4. Johann Christian LIEBELT & Maria Elisabeth KUCHEL
Children
Alan Wittwer, LFH page 44
106 Main Street, Hahndorf
Photographs
- 2022 Current building 106 Main St, Hahndorf
- 1886 Photograph 106 Main St, Hahndorf
4.1. Johann Gottlieb LIEBELT & Johann Caroline LUBASCH
Hd Kuitpo, Section 3903
Original LIEBELT / LUBASCH home
5. Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL & Johann Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL
Children
Sister Maria Elizabeth KUCHEL
6. Where did the KUCHEL & LIEBELT families originate.
What ship did they arrive on?
7. Anna Dorothea SEIFFERT & Johann George KUCHEL
Children
Kirchenbergen
Johann Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL's 3 brothers marry
7.1 . Johann Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL & Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL
Children
7.1.1. Family of Johann Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL are blamed for his sudden death, 1869.
His children's situation when he died at 57 years.
7.1.2 . Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL b1846 & Johanne Louise LIEBELT b1848.
Photographs
- 1878, Section 3913 Hd Kuitpo
- Their Golden Wedding 1921
- 1890, family & home.
- Architectural summary of home by Lothar BRASSE
Children
8. KUCHEL family group photographs
9. Photographs of descendants of Johann Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL [b1812] & Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL [b1811c]
10. Bibliography
11. End Notes.
Introduction
Anna Dorothea SEIFFERT [1787c-1860] & Johann Georg KUCHEL [1779c-1845] arrived 1838, with 3 sons
their eldest son Johann Gottfried Erdmann married his 1st cousin & arrived 1845, his wife, Johanna Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL's father was Daniel KUCHEL whose older daughter was Maria Elizabeth KUCHEL who married Johann Christian LIEBELT & arrived 1839 whose parents were Anna Elisabeth STEINBORN & Johann Christoph LIEBELT who arrived 1838, whose grand son married Johanna Caroline LUBASCH whose parents were Anna Dorothea GREISER & Johann Gottfried LUBASCH who arrived in 1839.
Anna Elisabeth STEINBORN & Johann Christoph LIEBELT are John MUELLER'S gggg grandparents,
Daniel KUCHEL, Anna GREISER and Gottfried LUBASCH are John MUELLER's ggg grandparents.
Anna Elisabeth STEINBORN, Johann Christoph LIEBELT, Daniel KUCHEL, Anna GREISER and Gottfried LUBASCH are the author's gggg grandparents
Sources for this article have been referenced from both of these well written family history books, 'LIEBELT Family History' & 'KUCHEL 1838-1970'.
LIEBELT Family History' by F.J. LIEBELT & E.A. WITTWER 1975 
page 16
Lutheran Church website, https://www.lca.org.au/captain-compassion/ Compassion by Rachel KUCHEL, 10 April 2014 'After several unsuccessful attempts to secure a lease in the Adelaide district, Hahn encountered the land-owners MacFarlane, Finniss and Dutton, who owned land near Mount Barker. He arranged to go with them to inspect a portion of their land. Determining that it was suitable for his charges he gave his opinion that ‘It seems to me that nature has squandered and lavished her gifts on Australia. I would never have believed such land to exist on the earth.’ Hahn arranged the conditions of the lease, which was signed on 28 January 1839. Some members of the Klemzig settlement, including Hoffmann, Jaensch, Kuchel and Liebelt, who had travelled on the Prince George, chose to settle with the Zebra community also.'
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In 1838, 40 year old Maria Elizabeth KUCHEL [b1798] and her husband Johann 'Christian' LIEBELT [b1801] were living in the small Prussian, Brandenburg village of Nickern, with all of their 3 children, aged 14, 12 and 5 years. Christian's younger brother Johann 'Christoph' LIEBELT [b1805] and his wife Anna WOLF [b1808] lived in the same village with their 3 children aged 7, 4 and 1 year old. Christian's older brother Johann 'Gottfried' LIEBELT [b1798] his wife Anna POHL [b1799], and their 3 children aged 14, 5 and 3 years lived in a village 2.3 kms to the east, called Schönborn. This village was also where Christian, Christoph and Gottfried's parents lived: Johann 'Christoph' LIEBELT [b1775] senior and his wife Anna Elisabeth STEINBORN [b1769]. In 1838, when all of these LIEBELT's above, came to South Australia, the parents were aged 62 and 68 years of age. [01]
Maria Elizabeth KUCHEL [b1878], and her sister Johanne 'Dorothea' Elizabeth KUCHEL [b1811] were possibly born in the village of Lochow, just over 3kms, S.E. from Nickern, where their father, Daniel KUCHEL lived. Daniel's wife has not yet been identified. [02]
2. Anna Elisabeth STEINBORN was one of the oldest Prussians to arrive in South Australia in 1838/9
Anna Elisabeth STEINBORN lived in South Australia for 18 years, died 1857 at 88 years of age and [she survived her husband by 11 years, he died in 1846 aged 71 years], yet she was one of the oldest Prussians on the 4 ships: 'Bengalee' arrived 16 November 1838, 'Prince George' arrived 18 November 1838, 'Zebra' arrived 28 December 1838, & 'Catharina' arrived 20 January, 1839. [03]. There were 16 older Prussians on these 4 vessels, aged between 60 and 71 years of age.
Of the 16 older Prussians, 7 were females & 9 were males with an average age of 66.5 years. 6 of these 16 passengers died at sea and never landed in South Australia. The eldest of all the passengers was Charlotte FILLGRAF wife of Albrecht KAVEL, she lived 14 years in South Australia and she died in 1852 aged 84 years.
Anna Elisabeth STEINBORN was the second oldest to attempt this voyage in 1838, she survived, and spent the rest of her life living in Hahndorf amongst her 3 sons & their families. The passenger are named below that were aged between 60 and 71 years, on the 4 boats, as documented in 'Kavel's People' by David Schubert. [. ]
'Bengalee':
- Johann KNISPEL 72 years, died at sea. [04] page 156
'Prince George':
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Anna Rosina BODATSCH nee KOCKEJOY, 68 years. died at sea [05] Page 145,
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Christian BOTHE, 66 years, died 1858. [06] Page 145
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Johann Friedrich HOFFMANN 62 years, died at sea. [07]. Page 148
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Albrecht Christian KAVEL 71 years, died 1842 aged 75 years, wife, Charlotte Sabine nee FILLGRAF 70 years, died 1852 aged 84 years. [08]. Page 149
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Gottfried LANGE 68 years, wife Anna Rosina RAU 73 years, both died at sea, a day apart. [09]. Page 150
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Maria Elizabeth LEDER nee SCHULZ, widow HOENKE 60 years died at sea. [10]. Page 151
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Johann Christoph LIEBELT 62 years, died 1846, 71 years of age, wife Anna Elisabeth STEINBORN 68 years, died 1857, 88 years of age. [11]. Page 151
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Christian RAU, 64 years [12] Page 152
'Zebra':
- Johann Friedrich SÜSS 67 years, & wife Christiane nee THIELE 67 years. [12]. Page 169
'Catharina':
- Johann WARNEST 69, wife Anna 60 years. [13]. Page 17
The LIEBELT parents & their 3 children
3. Anna Elisabeth STEINBORN
Born: 1769 Brandenburg, Prussia.[01]
Married: 1797ca [02]
Widowed: 1846 at 77 years of age [03]
Died: 2 August 1879, Hahndorf, S.A. [04] aged 88 years.
Buried: St Michaels Lutheran Church Cemetery. [05]. Which is now a car park in Hahndorf, beside the church.
Johann Christoph LIEBELT Snr
Born: 1775 Brandenburg, Prussia.[00]
Married: 1797ca [00]
Died: 21 October 1846, Hahndorf, S.A. [00] aged 71 years.
Children: 3 boys born between 1798-1805
├── Johann Gottfried [1st son]
├── Johann Christian [2nd son]
└── Johann Christoff [3rd son]
The parents 2nd LIEBELT son married a KUCHEL, had 3 children
4. Johann Christian LIEBELT [2nd son]
Born 2 February 1801, Nickern, Brandenburg, Prussia.[01]
Married 1822ca [02]
Died 4 October 1858, Hahndorf, S.A.[04]
Buried St Michaels Lutheran Church Cemetery. [06]. Which is now a car park in Hahndorf, beside the church.
Maria Elisabeth KUCHEL
Born 4 January 1798, Lochow, Brandenburg, Prussia.[01]
Married 1822 ca [02]
Widowed at 60 years of age in 1858. [03]
Died 2 August 1879, Hahndorf, S.A. [04] aged 81 years.
Buried St Michaels Lutheran Church Cemetery. [05]. Which is now a car park in Hahndorf, beside the church.
Children: 3 children born between 1823-1833
├── Johann Gottlieb LIEBELT 2nd son's 1st child married 9 September 1847 Johanna Karoline LUBASCH
├── Johann Christoph LIEBELT 2nd son’s 2nd child married 11 August 1848 Johanne Luise LIEBELT
└── Johanna Eleanore LIEBELT 2nd son’s 3rd child married 23 June 1854 Johann Carl Friedrich FÄHRMANN
The 2nd LIEBELT son's 1st child.
LIEBELT Family History the 2nd son The 2nd son's 1st child
page 44 
page 46
Alan Wittwer wrote in the LIEBELT Family History page 44
Photo from Liebelt Family History Johann Christian LIEBELT the 2nd son with wife Maria Elisabeth KUCHEL
'Johann Christian was born on February 2, 1801. The place of his birth is not known although it seems likely that it was either Nickern or Schoenborn in the Province of Brandenburg. Little is known of his life in Germany except that at the time of registration for emigration his place of residence was the village of Nickern and that his occupation was "Schäfer" (Shepherd). In Australia he was known as "Schäfer" LIEBELT'.
'Christian and his family were among the pioneer settlers in Hahndorf. Christian was allocated approx. 4 1/4 acres of land in the new village. His homestead block was numbered 15 (now 19). The block was near the northern end of the Main Street (no 106). In addition he received farming blocks numbered 21,25,36, 51c and 66b. (Now 59, 63, 86, 105 and 138). On September 16, Christian became the registered owner of this land; previously it had been vested in the original trustees of Hahndorf, Christian and Johann Christian Erdmann JAENSCH. Christian built his humble home of wattle and daub on this property. It consisted of two rooms and a porch. In addition, a cellar of similar construction was built somewhat removed from the house. Portion of this cellar still stands. In the door of the old homestead was a spear mark where a spear struck into the door after an aboriginal had thrown it at Maria Elisabeth as she fled into the house. She only just made it to safety.'
'In 1843 Christian had 3 acres of wheat under cultivation as well as 1/2 acre of potatoes. He owned 6 cattle and 2 pigs. After their marriage his two sons left the Hahndorf township and took up land at Friedrichstadt. His daughter Eleonore and her husband Carl FAEHRMANN lived on the old homestead. Originally Christian and his family were members of Pastor Kavel's congregation but in 1851 they joined Pastor FRITZSCHE's congregation.'
'Christian passed away on October 4, 1858. It appears that he died fairly suddenly as his will, made in German, was only witnessed on October 2 of that year; the witnesses to the will were his sons Gottlieb and Christoph and Reinder van der MOLEN'
'Maria Elisabeth was to have the use of the property, one room in particular, for the remainder of her life. On her death the property was to go to Johanne Eleonore FAEHRMANN. The homestead remained in the family until recent times. Christian was buried in the cemetery of the original church where his resting place is marked by a simple tombstone, which is still standing.'
'Inscription on tombstones: Here rests in God, our beloved father, Johann Christian LIEBELT. He was born on February 2, 1801, and died on October 4, 1858, aged 57 years, 5 months and 2 days. Jesus, only in your wounds Have I found the sinner's comfort.
Author: In 1858 when Christian made his will two days before he died the witnesses to it were his eldest son Gottlieb b 1823 , 35 years of age and younger brother Christoph b1825 aged 33 years and Reinder van der MOLEN b1824 in Holland, now aged 34 years of age & the husband of their first cousin Anna Dorothea LIEBELT who he had only been married to for less than 1 year.
Alan WITTWER wrote in the 'LIEBELT FAMILY HISTORY' page 44:
'Christian married Maria Elisabeth KUCHEL, the daughter of Daniel KUCHEL who lived in the village of Lochow (see map above). We know of three children born to this marriage - Johann Gottlieb, Johann Christoph & Johanne Eleonore were all born in Germany and emigrated to Australia with their parents on the 'Zebra', in 1838.'
'Maria Elisabeth's sister Anna Dorothea (Mrs Johann Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL) and husband and children, together with Danie KUCHEL, emigrated on the 'Heerjeebhoy Rustonjee Patel' in the year 1845. They settled near Hahndorf. Daniel was listed as 'grossknecht or foreman.'
'Maria Elisabeth lived on in Hahndorf until her death at the age of 81 years on the 2nd of August 1879. She was buried two days later by Pastor STREMPEL in the St. Michael's Cemetery; her bearers were J.F. & J.W. THIELE, W. & A. SCHÜTZ, F.W. WITTWER, C JAENSCH, C. MARKS and F. SCHNEEMILCH. Her tombstone which matches that of her husband still stands.'
'Inscription on tombstones: Here rests in God, our beloved mother Elisabeth LIEBELT, born KUCHEL. She was born January 4, 1798, and died on August. I know that my Redeermer lives; What comfort this sweet sentence gives! PSALM 19.25
Gottlieb in German means 'beloved by God'. Johann Gottlieb LIEBELT's future wife, Johanne Karoline LUBASCH [1827-1902], from Rissen, Brandenburg, Prussia, was an 11 year old on board the same vessel the 'Zebra'. Rissen is now Rosin, Poland and is only 4.3kms through the fields to Nickern, or current day Niekarzyn in Poland, where Gottlieb grew up. In 1847 they were married in the Schoolroom at Hahndorf by Pastor KAVEL whose mother Charlotte FILLGRAF, as explained above, was the oldest passenger on the 1838/9 ships ['Bengalee', 'Prince George', 'Zebra' & 'Catharina'] [No. ]
106 Main St, Hahndorf
Johann Christian LIEBELT & Maria Elisabeth KUCHEL were allocated 106 Main Rd, Hahndorf in 1839. There eldest son, Johann Gottlieb LIEBELT, was 14 years of age on the 'Zebra' in 1838 & he grew up on this property for 9 years, from the age of 14-23 years when he married & became a farmer at Friedrichstadt.
No 1. Photograph J Haynes 2020. No 2. Photograph courtesy of the Hahndorf Academy, 2021. No 3.
No 1: Current building on this site, is of stone, leadlight windows, a double entrance door at the rear, and verandah is built-up to the footpath, on a deep sloping block, similar in size to all the others in Hahndorf in 1839. One of the 3 Hahndorf Creeks flows across the property about 2/3rds of the way down the block.
No 2: This original 1886 photograph [following Art Lab, Adelaide conservation], hangs downstairs in the Academy. For more information this home & the identity of the individuals see: [. ]. Liebelt Family History published in 1975, page 44, "Christian built his humble home of wattle and daub on this property. It consisted of two rooms and a porch...a cellar of similar construction was built somewhat removed from the house. Portion of this cellar still stands. In the door of the old homestead was a spear mark where a spear struck into the door after an aboriginal had thrown it at Maria Elisabeth [KUCHEL] as she fled into the house"
No 3: Orange arrow points out the long strip of land allocated to Maria KUCHEL & Christian LIEBELT in 1839. It is the second plot of land along the main track of Hahndorf where many of the tradesmen established their businesses as well as their small productive farms.
Liebelt Family History page 174. "These four photos are all of building on Christian LIEBELT's property." "The gaps between the framework were filled in various ways. Probably the earliest was to use wattlesticks or split pieces of timber. These were fitted into trenches or small holes cut in the framework. A mixture of mud and straw and the whole infill plastered over. Sun-dried bricks were often used as an infill."
4.1 The 2nd son's 1st child, Johann Gottlieb LIEBELT [1823-1893] marries 1847, Johanne Karoline LUBASCH [1827-1902] & they buy land in Friedrichstadt 1850.
Both of these photographs have identical background and were taken by Charles NIESCHE
Section 3903, Hd Kuitpo 1891-97. Photo J HAYNES 2020, Hahndorf Cemetery SLSA same photo & same house as below.
Liebelt Family History page 46
Hundred of Kuitpo showing Section 3903, 4kms SW of Hahndorf where Gottlieb LIEBELT & Karoline LUBASCH settled when they took possession of this land on 5 December 1850, 3 years after they married.
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Gottlieb built his first home of mud, straw and slabs. This home stood until 1912 when it was destroyed in a disastrous bushfire. The home had been replaced earlier by an all brick home -one of the first in the Hahndorf area to be built entirely of brick
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Photo J HAYNES 2020 Photo colour enhanced courtesy Elizabeth
Caroline LUBASCH & Gottlieb LIEBELT had 11 children between 1848 & 1867, 6 daughters & 4 sons. There were , two daughters born in 1875 & 1886 who did not live past infancy.
Alan WITTWER wrote in the LIEBELT Family History page 45
'Johann Gottlieb [LIEBELT] was born on December 28, 1823, probably in the German village of Nickern. On arrival in Australia in 1839 he lived with his parents in Hahndorf; it seems likely that he was employed as a shepherd in the early days. Gottlieb and Johanne Caroline LUBASCH were married on September 9, 1847; the ceremony was conducted by Pastor A.L.C. KAVEL in the school room at Hahndorf. The witnesses to the marriage were Gottlieb KUCHEL and Christian ZILM'
'Gottlieb and his wife were among the earliest settlers at Friedrichstadt - it is not known exactly when he settled at Friedrichstadt but as his nick-name was 'Squatter' it seems likely that be 'squatted' on his selection before he formally took up the land. On December 5, 1850, he became the registered owner of Section 3903 of the Hundred of Kuitpo. This 80 acre section was purchased from Johann Friedrich PAECH of Grünthal for 80 pound. Access was allowed to other settlers to the water pools on this property. On this section Gottlieb built his first home of mud, straw and slabs.
This home stood until 1912 when it was destroyed in a disastrous bushfire. The home had been replace earlier by an all brick home - one of the first in the Hahndorf area to be built entirely of brick. Over the years Gottlieb purchased and leased additional properties. In February 1856 he paid 300 pound for 30 acres, part of section 3899. On October 16, 1866 he took over the lease of sections 3897, 3895 and 3884 and part of section 3896 in the Hundred of Kuitpo from Gottlob SCHULZ.
Gottlieb leased from the Incorporated Society for the Propagation of the Gospel in Foreign Parts, sections 3696, 3733, 5007 and parts of sections 3732 and 3698 in the Hundred of Macclesfield. The annual rental was 20 pound per year plus 1/- per acre which was cultivated. The land had to be cultivated within 4 years.
Gottlieb was a farmer; it appears likely that he also did some shearing. Much of the land mentioned above is still in the possession of members of the family. On May 11, 1893, Gottlieb passed away at the age of 69 years. His widow [author: Johanne Caroline LUBASCH] attained the age of 75 years, passing away on May 30, 1902. Both are buried in the Hahndorf Cemetery where a tombstone marks their resting place. It is of interest to note that Christian's 3 children and their spouses are buried in adjacent blocks in the Hahndorf Cemetery.'8.
Author: The witnesses to Gottlieb & Caroline's marriage were Gottlieb KUCHEL, probably Erdmann's youngest brother who had come out on the Prince George and who he may have named his first son after, the Gottlieb KUCHEL of this article. The LIEBELT's and the KUCHEL's were possibly already friends, from knowing them in Lochow, not far from Nickern, or from their shared experiences in Hahndorf (JBH author/researcher).
Maria Elizabeth KUCHEL's younger sister, Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL, marries a KUCHEL.
5. Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL
Born: 1811ca Brandenburg, Prussia.[00]
Married: 1838ca [00]
Widowed: 1869 aged 58 years [00]
Died: 16 May 1895, Hahndorf, S.A. [00] aged 84 years
Johann Gottfried ‘Erdmann’ KUCHEL
Born: 1812 Brandenburg, Prussia.[00]
Married: 1838ca [00]
Died: 24 September 1869 Hahndorf, S.A.[00]
Children: 8 children born between 1840-1854
├── Johanna Louise KUCHEL [1840]
├── Johanna Dorothea KUCHEL [1842]
├── Johanna Eleanore KUCHEL [1843-1843]
├── Anna Rosina KUCHEL [1845-1845]
├── Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL [1846] m 1871 Johanne Louise LIEBELT
├── Johann Gottfried KUCHEL [1848-1850]
├── Johann Friedrich Hanfried KUCHEL [1850]
└── Anna Elizabeth KUCHEL [1854]
Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL & Johann Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL's 5th child marries a LIEBELT in 1871.
This article began when the elder KUCHEL sister, Maria Elisabeth, married [c1822] a LIEBELT & then their 1st son married a LUBASCH [1847], whose 1st child was Johanne Louise LIEBELT [b1848] and in 1871 she married Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL who is the sixth child of Maria Elisabeths KUCHEL’s sister, Johanna Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL, see above & photos below
These two photographs above of his great grandparents, hangs in John MUELLER's home in Hahndorf. they have been enlarged, enhanced & coloured from an original black & white photo in the collection. The descendants of this couple make up the bulk of the collection belonging to John.
The 2 KUCHEL sisters & their LIEBELT, KUCHEL husbands.
6. Where did the KUCHEL & LIEBELT families originate?
Below: Meyers Gazette: 1848 map of Brandenburg, Prussia, showing the villages Johanne Louise & Johann Gottlieb’s parents, grandparents & great grandparents came from. They were all small villages, surrounded by tracts of forest and close to running streams, connected by tracks across mostly flat terrain. The Odra River can be seen in the lower lefthand corner and the village of Tschicherzig from which the Oder barges departed in 1838 & possibly 1845, can be seen bottom, centre. The author cycled from the Baltic Sea down the Oder River and into current day Poland in 2018.
Illustration No. This area is now Poland
What ship did they arrive on?
| LIEBELT's on the 'Prince George' arrived 1838 | LIEBELT's on the 'Zebra' arrived 1838 | KUCHEL's on the 'Herjeebhoy Rustonjee Patel' arrived 1845 |
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Johanne Louise LIEBELT's parents had come out as children to the Province of South Australia, her mother, Johanne Caroline LUBASCH was 11 years old and her father, Johann Gottlieb LIEBELT was 14 years of age on the 'Zebra'. Their villages in Brandenburg, Prussia were separated by only 4.5kms, if they took the route through the fields. [Illustration .....] Living so close they likely knew of each other before emigration. Their adventure together, began with their families on river barges down the Oder, through the waterways of bustling Berlin and up to the Port of Hamburg. [. ] Such sights they never could have imagined preceded a four month sea voyage in 1838. [07].
Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL's parents on the other hand, were adults when they arrived in South Australia. His father Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL [1812-1869] was 33 years old and his mother [they were 1st cousins] Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL [1811-1895] 34 years of age. Dorothea gave birth on the 'Herjeebhoy Rustonjee Patel' and had 3 children when they left but when they arrived in September the new born had not survived & nor had their 2 year old daughter. [KUCHEL, Ships List)] Gottlieb was the first of four more children who were born in their new country.
7. Anna Dorothea SEIFFERT
Born: 1787ca Brandenburg, Prussia.[00]
Married: 1811ca [00]
Widowed: 1845 aged 58 years [00]
Died: 28 October 1860 Hahndorf, S.A. [00] aged 73 years
Johann Georg KUCHEL
Born: 1779ca Langmeil, Brandenburg, Prussia.[00]
Married: 1811ca [00]
Died: 23 February 1845, Hahndorf, S.A. [00] aged 66 years
Children: 4 boys born between 1812-1821
├── Johann Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL [1812]
├── Johann Samuel KUCHEL [1815]
├── Johann Friedrich KUCHEL [1818]
└── Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL [1821]
As Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL b1846 grew up he would have heard his parents talk of the ships that arrived in 1838 because his paternal grandparents [Georg KUCHEL & Anna SEIFFERT] & 3 uncles [Gottlieb 17 years, Friedrich 20 years, Samuel 23 years] were all passengers on the 'Prince George'.
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Kirchenbergen
This extract is referring to Gottlieb KUCHEL's grandparents & uncles that arrived in South Australian in 1838 on the 'Prince George'. This quote it taken from the KUCHEL Family History book page 4.
"It is believed that in the early 1840's they moved out to [an area known as] Kirchenbergen which was about two miles south of the Hahndorf township. Kirchenbergen [meaning, 'hills of the church'] was undulating country which the KUCHEL's farmed. It was near Windmill Hill [a well known spot in the Adelaide Hills] and it was in the gully between the properties now owned by Mr H. BRAENDL:ER and Mr G PAECH. The ruins of four houses, probably built by the KUCHEL's can still be seen on Mr BRAENDLER's property. Kirchenbergen comprised three sections of land totalling about 240 acres [sections 3821, 3822, 3823] purchased by the Incorporated Society for the Propagation of the Gospel in Foreign Parts on 15 May 1841."
Author: I am unclear whether 'Kirchenbergen' is the land they farmed, [3 sections was a lot of land in the 1840's] or is it an 'area' more like 'Paechtown'? In 1842 the 3 KUCHEL boys from the 'Prince George' were: Samuel 27 years married with 1 child, Friedrich unmarried 24 years of age, & Gottlieb the youngest, aged 21 years and unmarried. Georg their father died at 'Kirchenbergen' in 1845, 7 years after arrival. The boys mother Anna Dorothea SEIFFERT would have been 55 years of age.
We know that Gottlieb's parents were first cousins. His mother's (Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth Kuchel), father, was Daniel Kuchel b1774. Daniel also came on the 'Patel', with his daughter Dorothea & his son-in-law Johann Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL. I have no information about who Daniel was married to. Seventy year old Daniel is described on the 'Ships List' as coming from Lochow (see Illustration C). J Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL, has been described in 'Ships List' as coming from Langmeil, [see map above]. The same 'Ship's List' also states that Daniel, was among 'eleven persons', who died at sea, 'mostly old men, and very young children.' SAGHS has a Death Index entry.......
There is evidence in the form of a death certificate that a Daniel KUCHEL died in Hahndorf at 83 yrs of age on 27 January 1857. That means he was born c1774, the same age as the Daniel who had apparently died on the 'Patel'.
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| Hd of Onkaparinga. Sections 3821, 3822 & 3823 on the northern side of the main Hahndorf Road. | 'Kirchenbergen' looking up Leonards Rd, Hahndorf, towards Nixon's Mill. Photo JBH 2021 | 'Kirchenbergen' looking north down Leonards Rd, Hahndorf. | Kirchenbergen, Paechtown, Friedrichstadt & Hahndorf. | |
| The author was taken to this location for the first time by my 6th cousin Chris Williams whose 3rd great-grandparents were J Samuel Kuchel & J Dorothea Klenke. |
Alan WITTWER wrote in the 'LIEBELT FAMILY HISTORY' page 44:
'Christian married Maria Elisabeth KUCHEL, the daughter of Daniel KUCHEL who lived in the village of Lochow (see map above). We know of three children born to this marriage - Johann Gottlieb, Johann Christoph & Johanne Eleonore were all born in Germany and emigrated to Australia with their parents on the 'Zebra', in 1838.'
'Maria Elisabeth's sister Anna Dorothea (Mrs Johann Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL) and husband and children, together with Danie KUCHEL
Photo by Edmund DIEDERICH 'Grandfather KUCHEL & sisters'
Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL b1846 with his 2 older surviving sisters, Johanne Louise b1840 & Johanne Dorothea KUCHEL b1842 and his youngest sister Anna Elizabeth KUCHEL b1854.
Erdmann KUCHEL's 3 brothers, married the following Prussian women
Younger brother, Johann Samuel KUCHEL b1815 married Johanne Dorothea KLENKE & were among the earliest couples to marry after arrival in Hahndorf in 1839, under a gum tree 'later consuming parrots at their wedding breakfast' (No ). Annie Luur Fox.
- Dorothea KLENKE had travelled from Kay in Brandenburg, Prussia, [very close to Lochow], with her parents, on the 'Zebra'. [Was it her older sister b1793 Johanna Caroline who was the first wife of Georg 'Kaysher' PAECH'?]
- Unfortunately her 51 year old farm labourer, father, Christian KLENKE was among the 11 deaths on the voyage, and he was buried at sea, leaving his 49 year old widow Anna Elisabeth KLENKE nee GIERKE [1789-1869] to manage alone in the new country. (NO...) (D Schubert Kavel's People).
- When Anna KLENKE died she was living with her daughter Johanne Dorothea and son in law Samuel KUCHEL at Kirchenbergen and she was buried at the St John's Lutheran Church, Hahndorf, a pioneer of 31 years. [Kuchel 1838-1970 page 4], there is obvious burial site available to see.
By 1845 when the 'Herjeebhoy Rustonjee Patel' arrived it was only Samuel KUCHEL, of the 3 KUCHEL brothers who had married. Samuel's and Dorothea KLENKE had had 3 children Anna Dorothea Henrietta b1840, Johann Gottlieb b1843 and Johann Gottfried b1844.
├── Johann Samuel KUCHEL married 1839 Johanne Dorothea KLENKE [1817-1891], she was 21 years of age on the 'Zebra', they married in an open air ceremony under a Hahndorf tree.
├──Johann Friedrich KUCHELl married 1847 Johanne Rosina SEIDEL [1825-1893], she was 18 years of age on the 'George Washington', they married in the Hahndorf Schoolroom
└──Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL married 1848, Maria Elizabeth BARTEL [1826-1884], she was 14 years of age on the 'Zebra', they married in the Hahndorf Schoolroom
Johann Samuel KUCHEL
2nd child of Anna SEIFFERT & Johann Georg KUCHEL
Born: 4 May 1815 Langmeil Brandenburg, Prussia .[00]
Married: 1839 [00]
Widowed: 1891 at 76 years of age. [00]
Died: 5 February 1900, ………, S.A. [00] aged 84 years.
Johanna Dorothea KLENKE
4th child of Christian KLENKE & Anna Elisabeth GIERKE
Born: 1817 Kay Brandenburg, Prussia .[00]
Married: 1839 [00]
Died: 21 November 1891, ………, S.A. [00] aged 74 years.
Children: 10 children born between 1840-1858
├── Anna Dorothea Henrietta KUCHEL [1840] [. ] m 1860 [. ]. RITTER
├── Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL L [1843] [. ] m [. ]. 1865 ALTMANN can't find her heritage.
├── Johann Gottfried KUCHEL [1844] [. ] m 1865 [. ]. LEYDEN
├── Johann Samuel KUCHEL [1846] [. ]. m 1869 [. ] MARSCHNER
├── Friedrich Wilhelm KUCHEL [1848] [. ] m 1875 [. ]. MUES
├── Johann Georg KUCHEL [1850-1850] [. ]
├── Johann Christian KUCHEL [1851] [. ] m 1881 [. ] HIRTE
├── Johann Luise KUCHEL [1853] [. ] m 1876 [. ] BARTEL
├── Johanne Eleanora KUCHEL [1856] [. ] m 1883 [. ] FECHNER
└── Johanne Caroline KUCHEL [1858-1860]. [. ]├── Friedrich Wilhelm KUCHEL [1848] [. ] m 1875 [. ]. MUES
├── Johann Georg KUCHEL [1850-1850] [. ]
├── Johann Christian KUCHEL [1851] [. ] m 1881 [. ] HIRTE
├── Johann Luise KUCHEL [1853] [. ] m 1876 [. ] BARTEL
├── Johanne Eleanora KUCHEL [1856] [. ] m 1883 [. ] FECHNER
└── Johanne Caroline KUCHEL [1858-1860]. [. ]
KUCHEL Family History page 16
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| Samuel KUCHEL photo by Edmund Diederich, who married Samuel's niece. | Death notification of Samuel KUCHEL. 'A colonist for 62 years'. Photo on left was used on this card above |
Johann Friedrich KUCHEL
3rd child of Anna SEIFFERT & Johann Georg KUCHEL:
Born: 2 June 1818 Langmeil, Brandenburg, Prussia.[00]
Married: 10 June 1847ca Hahndorf. [00]
Died: 28 March 1887 [00] aged 68 years
Johanne Rosina SEIDEL
2nd child of Christian Friedrich SEIDEL & Anna Elizabeth SCHULZE
Born: 17 July 1825 Schloin ? Silesia, Prussia.[00]
Married: 10 June 1847 Hahndorf. [00]
Widowed: 1887 aged 62 years
Died: 21 November 1893 [00] aged 68 years
Children: 11 children born between 1848-1890
├── Johann Wilhelm KUCHEL died as infant
├── Johann Heinrich KUCHEL
├── Carl Friedrich KUCHEL married Augusta EBEL
├── Johann Georg KUCHEL married Johanne STARICK
├──Gustav Benjamin KUCHEL married Pauline FLADRICH
├── Johann Gottfried KUCHEL died as infant
├── Johann Fredrich KUCHEL married Augusta LEHMANN
├── Christian Friedrich KUCHEL
├── Gottlieb Ferdinand KUCHEL
├── Johanne Augustine KUCHEL married Johann HERBIG
└── Maria Elizabeth [1871] [. ] married Johann WENDT
KUCHEL Family History page 40
Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL b1821
4th child of Anna SEIFFERT & Johann Georg KUCHEL
Born: 26 May 1821, Langmeil Brandenburg Prussia.[00]
Married: 14 March 1848 Schoolroom, Hahndorf. [00]
Died: 2 June 1902, Callington, Strathalbyn [00] aged 81 years
Maria Elizabeth BARTEL
2nd child of Johann Gottlob BARTEL & Maria Elisabeth BINDER
Born: 3 January 1826 Möstchen Brandenburg Prussia.[00]
Married: 14 March 1848 Schoolroom, Hahndorf [00]
Widowed: 1902 at 76 years of age
Died: 18 July 1884, Kanmantoo, S.A. [00] aged 58 years
Children: 11 children born between 1849-1869
├── Anna Dorothea Elizabeth KUCHEL married Heinrich TRIMPER
├── Friedrich William KUCHEL married Johanne GRUNEBERGER
├── Johanna Louisa KUCHEL married Carl WIRTH
├── Johann August KUCHEL married Helene THIELE
├── Anna Maria KUCHEL married Hermann TRIMPER
├── Emma Matilde KUCHEL married Johann PAECH
├── Heinrich Gottlieb KUCHEL married Hulda THIELE
├── Johanne Hermann KUCHEL married Amelia DALLY
├── Emilie Bertha KUCHEL married Charles GRAETZ
├── Maria Elizabeth KUCHEL married Friedrich LEHMANN
└── Gustav Adolph KUCHEL
KUCHEL Family History page 51
7.1. Johann Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL with Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL arrive after his brothers
Erdmann, was the eldest of the four boys and would have been 26 yrs of age when all the activities were happening in preparation for his 55 & 51 year old parents & his brothers Samuel, Friedrich and Gottlieb to begin their ocean voyage. For whatever reason, Erdmann, did not accompany his parents in 1838 on the 'Prince George'. However he had married around that time [c1838] to his first cousin Dorothea KUCHEL and, had four baby daughters born in 1840, 1842, 1843 and 1845, named Louise, Dorothea, Eleonore and Anna Rosin. So unlike Louise's LIEBELT's parents, Gottlieb KUCHEL's parents had arrived in South Australia as adults.
Gottlieb's father Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL was 33 years old and his mother Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL 34 years of age when they arrived on the 'Herjeebhoy Rustonjee Patel' in 1845 with their first 2 daughters only instead of a family of 4 girls. When Erdmann, Dorothea, 5 year old Louise and 4 year old Dorothea arrived in 1845, the uncles [Samuel, Friedrich and Gottlieb] had been in South Australia for six years. His grandfather Georg Kuchel [1783-1845], had died seven months earlier [in South Australia] but his grandmother Anna Dorothea SEIFFERT [1787-1860] was 59 years of age and was, possibly, living with one of her three sons, Samuel, Friedrich or Gottlieb.
Erdmann and Dorothea's first born child in South Australia was Johann Gottlieb (1846-1923), followed by Johann Gottfried b1848 who did not live to see his second birthday, followed by Johann Friedrich known as 'Hanfried' [1850-1909] and lastly a daughter Anna Elizabeth [1854-1932] when Dorothea was 43 years of age.
Children born in Prussia & Kirchenbergen: 5 children born between 1840-1854, 3 sisters and a brother. 2 sisters did not survive infancy 1843 & 1848.
├── Johann Louise [1840-1922] 5 years old on Herjeebhoy Rustonjee Patel married 26 May 1859, Ev Lutheran Church, Hahndorf, [. ]. Eduard David GREGOR [1835-1910] had 10 children between 1861-1880.
├── Johanna Dorothea [1842-1926] 4 years old on Herjeebhoy Rustonjee Patel married 28 February 1867, St Paul's, Hahndorf, Johann Wilhelm August GUST [1834-191]), had 3 children between 1867-1873.
├── Johann Gottlieb [1846-1923] born Kirchenbergen near Hahndorf, S.A. married 4 May 1871, St Michaels Church, Hahndorf by Pastor STREMPEL, Johanne Louise LIEBELT [1848-1940], had 10 children between 1872-1891.
├── Johann Friedrich Hanfried [1850-1909] born Hahndorf, S.A. married 30 December 1897, St Paul's Hahndorf, Emma KUBERN [1862- ]. had 6 children between 1898-1908c.
└── Anna Elizabeth [1854-1932] -born S.A. married 19 April 1891, Residence of Bride, near Hahndorf, to Rudolph Richard Edmund DIEDERICH, had a daughter followed by a son in 1889 and 1895.
7.1.1 Family of Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL blamed for his premature death, 1869 at Mt Barker, S.A.
'It appears that in Germany Gottfried (Erdmann) had followed the trade of tailor in the army. His pair of tailor's shears remained in the family's possession until about 1940 ...... when the family had reason to write to relatives or friends in Germany it was usually Gottfried who composed and wrote the letter.' 'Little is known of Gottfried's (Erdmann) activities in South Australia, but it can be presumed that he was engaged in farming and also in the trade of his brothers, that is vine dressing and wine making. During hard times the brothers had to take whatever work was available. It is recorded that in 1858 a vine dresser was paid 10s 6d for 3 1/2 days work. Gottfried (Erdmann) (perhaps because he was the eldest) had the best education of the four sons of Johann Georg Kuchel. KUCHEL Family History page..[. ]
Erdmann died in 1869 as a result of an accident at Mt Barker, when he fell from his horse, two years before his first son, Gottlieb, [the first Australian born child], was married. On that spring evening when Erdmann fell from his horse, near the 'Oakfield Hotel', he apparently appeared intoxicated, (or was it as a result of a head injury and cerebral bleed) and was taken inside the hotel to sleep the night. His sons, Gottlieb 23 years and Friedrich 19 years came with a cart to collect him the next day, Sunday. While he had no obvious injuries, he was very quiet and sleepy. Sometime between Sunday and Tuesday his wife [& 1st cousin] and one of his lads thought he 'seemed unconscious' and help was called. [15]. A Mr de Valluois of Balhannah was called and prescribed 'Seidlitz powder and Epsom salts, and ordered cold water to be applied to the head and chest'. Over the next few days till Friday he became unresponsive, neither eating, drinking or talking, and was probably incontinent, until he ceased breathing altogether. [16]
The Courier 1869
"The deceased came to his death from the effects of a fall from his horse on the 20th instant: that the relatives of the deceased are to blame for not having called in the assistance of a duly qualified medical man, such a one being in the immediate neighbourhood; that the deceased was improperly treated." [17]
'On 20 September, 1869, Gottfried was badly injured in a fall from a horse in Mount Barker, [near the old primary school on Adelaide Road] and he died on Friday the 24th. At 4pm on Sunday the 26th, he was buried by Pastor A. FIEDLER in the cemetery of the St Johannes Lutheran Church at Hahndorf [at the rear of the manse of the present St Paul's Lutheran Church]'. [18]. KUCHEL page 6
At the time of his accident Erdmann was 57 years of age, had been in South Australia for 24 years and his wife Dorothea was about the same age. The widow Dorothea lived another 26 years, she "lived the latter part of her days in a house opposite the present Hahndorf Cemetery. She died on 18 May, 1895, at the age of 85. A hearse was not needed, as she was carried across the road from her home and laid to rest near the cemetery gates. For a good while afterwards her dog was often found lying on the grave." [23] (KUCHEL pge 6).
The relatives that were to 'blame for this accident according to 'The Courier'
Johann Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL's children's situation in 1869, when he died suddenly, at 57 years of age
In 1869 when Erdmann died so unexpectedly and in such terrible circumstances his children were:
├── Johanna Louise KUCHEL: 29 years of age, and had been married for 10 years and was well pregnant with her 5th child to husband Eduard GREGOR.
├── Johanna Dorothea KUCHEL: 27 years of age, had been married for less than 2 years and had a young daughter to her husband August GUST.
├── Gottlieb KUCHEL: was 23 years of age, married two years later in 1871.
├── Johann Friedrich KUCHEL known as 'Hanfried': 19 years of age [did not marry until he was 47 years of age].
└── The youngest sibling was Anna Elizabeth KUCHEL: 15 years of age [did not marry until 37 years of age].
Photographs
Reverse: 'Grandmother KUCHEL' 
Same woman as in the below photograph. No photograph of her husband [first cousin], Erdmann KUCHEL has been found to date.
Photograph by Edmund DIEDERICH, son in law to Dorothea and Johann Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL.
Edmund DIEDERICH & his wife Anna Elizabeth KUCHEL had two children, the eldest was Ida Clara Augusta DIEDERICH who married Ludwig Theodore Harry SCHARENBERG, who at 48 years of age wrote to the 'Chronicle' in 1937 and described her grandmothers' clothing in the TROVE picture above right.
A comparison photograph of 'Grandmother KUCHEL', who I have identified as Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL
When Johann Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL died in 1869 Gottlieb was 23 years of age and unmarried, Hanfried was 19 years and Anna was 15 years of age, and were living at home during the incident and were blamed for not making the right decisions regarding the calling the doctor. I believe this photograph is of these 3 siblings and their widowed mother.
Reverse: "Grandmother KUCHEL, Gottlob KUCHEL Hanfried KUCHEL". 
Family photo of the youngest 3 adult children & their mother Anna Dorothea KUCHEL. The female on the left in this photograph is not identified on the reverse, but I believe it to be Anna Elizabeth the youngest child with her mother and two older brothers.
Photograph by 'HAEHNEL & Co'. In 1891, Anna Elizabeth KUCHEL b1854, married photographer Edmund DIEDERICH who anecdotally was the 'Co' in 'HAEHNEL & Co'.
Photos below are from the family photo on the left here.
When was this photo taken? 1882-1884, see Anna Elizabeth DIEDERICH, If so it means mother was 73 years, Gottlieb 38 years, Hanfried 34 years and Anna 30 years.
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Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL 1811c-1895
Anna Elizabeth KUCHEL [1854-1932] 5th child of Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL & Johanne Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL.
Or could this woman be Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL's wife, Johanne Louise LIEBELT?
Johann Friedrich 'Hanfried' KUCHEL [1850-1909] 4th child, brother of above.
Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL [1846-1923] 3rd child, brother of above.
A Scottish farmer, Lachlan Macfarlane had built the Oakfield in 1861 close to the road in Mount Barker and he supplied passing traffic and the coach trade on its way to the eastern states via Wellington on the Murray River. this hotel was later incorporated into the summer residence of Robert & Joanna BARR SMITH, now known as Auchendarroch [19].
The original stone work of the Oakfield can still be determined. In 1869 when the accident occurred Lachlan was 63 years of age, all of his 11 children had been born, and from the following year he leased out the Hotel to other publicans. [20].
Lachlan's wife, Anna Dorothea Luise LUBASCH was 13 years of age on the 'Zebra' in 1839, and one of the 7 daughters of Gottfried LUBASCH, [21] Waterloo Veteran and first hotelier in Hahndorf. [22].
In two years hence from his father's untimely and sudden death young Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL b1846 was to marry Johanne Louise KUCHEL b1848, who was the niece of Johanna Dorothea Luise LUBASCH
7.1.2 Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL
Born: 21 April 1846 Hahndorf, South Australia [00]
Married: 4 May 1871 St Michaels Ev Lutheran Church, Hahndorf, South Australia [00]
Died: 31 October 1923 Hahndorf, S.A. [00] aged 77 years
Buried: [00].
Johanne Louise LIEBELT
Born: 15 June 1848 Hahndorf, South Australia [00]
Married: 4 May 1871 [00]
Widowed: 1923 aged 75 years [00]
Died: 29 March 1940 Hahndorf, S.A. [00] aged 91 years
Buried: [00].
Johanne Caroline LUBASCH and Johann Gottlieb LIEBELT's first child was Johanne Louise LIEBELT, and she along with her husband, Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL, became the common denominator for several of my articles on Localwiki because this couple appear in many of the photographs in 'John MUELLER's Photographic Collection'.
Usually they are at the centre of a group photo surrounded by any number of their 8 children and their partners. Johanne Louise LIEBELT was married [to her husband for 52years], in 1871, by Pastor STREMPEL, in the St Michael's Lutheran Church, Hahndorf. '.
Their 'KUCHEL' home in 1878ca, Hd Kuitpo, Section 3913
LIEBELT Family History page 49 Johanne Louise LIEBELT & Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL,
"Immediately after their marriage Johanne and Gottlieb lived at Friedrichstadt on the Mount Barker Rd., then in Hahndorf in English Street. They then moved in about 1878, to part of Section 3913, in the Hundred of Kuitpo which Johanne's father had purchased. Here Gottlieb built a home of slabs, straw and mud. The home was demolished several years ago, the site now being marked by a few old trees. Gottlieb was a carpenter, making rakes and other tools as well as hurdles for the Oakbank races."
Section 3913, Hd of Kuitpo. The 1921 family photo below was probably taken in front of the family home & thatched farm buildings on Section 3913.
1921, KUCHEL/LIEBELT golden wedding.
Louise and Gottlieb may be surrounded by their siblings.
Louise Liebelt and Gottlieb Kuchel's Golden Wedding anniversary 1921
Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL is 75 years & Johanne Eleanore LIEBELT is 73 years of age, both seated. Below: Photos from same Golden Wedding event. The timber slab barn with the thatched roof is in the background of all 3 photos [see the 2 backgrounds above]
'LIEBELT family KUCHEL Golden Wedding' Louise and Gottlieb may be surrounded by their siblings.
KUCHEL family 1889.
There is a copy of this photograph on page 7 of the 'KUCHEL 1838-1970' family history book, & it is described as: 'Gottfried's family approx. 1890'. Some of the individuals can be identified as:
- Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL b1811, sitting in centre, scarf covering her head.
- 7th child Johann Friedrich 'Hanfried' KUCHEL b1850, far right.
- 5th child Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL b1846, 3rd from right.
- ?? 8th child Anna Elizabeth KUCHEL b1854, 4th from left alongside her mother.
- 3 young male adults, on far left & 2nd right are all smoking pipes.
- 2 younger girls in matching long-sleeved dresses.
- 1 small baby on ?? Anna Elizabeth KUCHEL's lap
- 1 older woman standing between ?? Anna & her mother
- 1 adult woman with white scarf on dark top with apron
Reverse: "KUCHEL's" 
I have identified the adult male 3rd from right, above, as Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL b1846, by comparing his photograph above with the two known photos of him on the left.
I have identified Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL above by also comparing it to this known photo below. Like wise the siblings Anna Elizabeth & 'Hanfried' can be compared with their photo above.
One source of information comes from the baby on Anna Elizabeth's lap. Anna's first child was already 18 months old when Anna married [1891] Ida Clara Augusta's [b12 October 1889] father: Rudolph Richard Edmund DIEDERICH, who became the well known South Australian photographer & one of the primary sources of many of John MUELLER's collection. Anna & Edmund's second child Wilhelm Paul DIEDERICH was born in 1895, there is 6 years difference in their ages.
I believe the small baby on her mothers lap is Ida Clara Augusta DIEDERICH, October 1889. This decision dates this family group photograph to 1889.
In 1889: Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL was 43 years of age
- His children were: Anna Bertha KUCHEL aged 17 years, b1872
- Gustave Adolph KUCHEL aged 16 years, b1873
- Johanne Caroline KUCHEL b1875, died 1876
- Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL aged 12 years, b1877
- Gottfried Alfred KUCHEL aged 10 years, b1879
- Maria Emma KUCHEL aged 8 years, b1881
- Pauline Hulda KUCHEL aged 6 years, b1883
- Martha Mathilda KUCHEL b1886, d1887
- Johanna Louise KUCHEl aged 1 year, b1888
- Johann Friedrich Wilhelm KUCHEL b1891
However this does not add up with these children and that 1889 time frame. Perhaps the woman with the baby is Gottlieb's wife Johanne Louise LIEBELT but that does not add up with ages of the children above and in the photograph.
I need to identify the adult male 3rd from left with the beard, he has been in other photographs, so this is a problem to continue to solve.
Identifying the individuals above:
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Far right: 7th child Johann Friedrich KUCHEL known as 'Hanfried' b1850, would then be 40 years of age, unmarried (married 1897).
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3rd from right: 5th child. Gottlieb KUCHEL b1846, would then be 44 years of age, had been married for 19 years and had 9 of his 10 children. In 1890 his sons were 17 years, 13 years and 11 years of age. His daughters would have been 18 years, 9 years, 7 years, 2 years,
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Front row: Mother Older woman with head scarf, Dorothea Kuchel b ca1811, would then be 79 years and she died 5 years later in 1895.
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The 2 young men smoking pipes on the far left have the same type of hat as the boy on the far right, (also smoking pipe), and their hats are very similar to Gottlieb's hat. Could they be from far left; the eldest of Gottfried's son, Gustav Adolph KUCHEL 17 years of age, next on the left, Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL 13 years of age, and to the right of Gottfried their younger brother Gottfried Alfred KUCHEL 11 years of age, with their youngest sibling, Johann Friedrich Wilhelm KUCHEL, born February 1891 sitting on his mother Johanne Louise LIEBELT's lap.
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The woman on the left of Dorothea, has a baby on her lap, is that her husband on her left? Almost certainly this woman is in the photo above standing behind Dorothea with a shawl around her shoulders. Is this Gottlieb's wife, Johann Louise LIEBELT? If so the photo above is her and not Anna Elizabeth.
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Or is this woman with the hair parted in the middle Johanne Dorothea Elizabeth KUCHEL's youngest child Anna Elizabeth 1854-1932 and the younger sister of Gottlieb and Hanfried as suggested in the photo above. In 1890 she would have been 36 years of age and her child was born mid October 1889.
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Anna Elizabeth did not marry until 1891 but she had her first child to Edmund Diederich (Hahndorf photographer) 12 October 1889.
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Are the two girls in the same printed long sleeve dresses be Gottlieb & Johanna's daughters Maria Emma b1881 and Pauline Hulda b1883 making them 9 and 7 years of age in this photo.
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Is the older girl with the white scarf tied around her neck and her hair parted in the middle the oldest of the children, Anna Bertha KUCHEL b1872 and here aged 18 years of age. Anna did not marry William COLLINS until 1899.
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This leaves Gottlieb's wife Johanna LIEBELT to be a slight woman, standing behind her mother in law and sister in law, surrounded by her children and aged 42 years.
Architectural summary of the photograph by Lothar Brasse
"The cottage is a simple, rudimentary structure consisting of roughly finished saplings for its framing, with a top and maybe bottom (?) plate. The posts might have been dug into the ground to give it lateral stability. There doesn't appear to be any intermediate horizontal members apart from the door and window heads (this differs from the double intermediary 'noggings' found in better quality Fachwerk structures found in Paechtown for example), and any diagonal bracing members are not shown. The relatively thin walls, probably only 4 inches [100mm] - suggests that the infill of clay and chaff mix (daub) is held in place by straw 'ropes' woven between vertical or horizontal twigs [wattle]. The visible door head looks as though it was joined to the door posts using mortice and tenon joints.
The entire clay plaster finishing coat was then lime-washed. The casement window [possibly with highlight ? behind the striped curtain] seems quite advanced for this 'humble' cottage and typically found in 'better' German houses - in this case 6 or 8 paned, with glass and any metal fixtures such as hinges, bolts and latches probably imported from Germany by the likes of merchant H.L.Vosz - who had arrived here on board the Alfred in 1848 and later traded in Hindley and Rundle Streets. The trussed roof may have been thatched, shingled or even clad with corrugated iron which had begun to be imported into South Australia from England since 1850 [Solomon's Queens Theatre was one of Adelaide's first to be roofed with it]."
8. KUCHEL group family photographs
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Louise Liebelt and Gottlieb Kuchel, with all of their living children except Gustav Adolph Kuchel.
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On Pauline's left are her parents 67 year old Gottlieb Kuchel and 65 year old Johanne Liebelt (unknown child on her lap). Edward's 62 year old parents are alongside of him, Johanne Eleonore Paech, and Johann Carl Ferdinand Müller. |
'Gathering at J.G. Kuchel' |
Above: photo
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Johann Friedrich Wilhelm 'Bill' Kuchel is 2nd from right.
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Oss LIEBELT: is this Oscar Alfred Liebelt b1901, or Oscar Ernst Liebelt b1901
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Art Nitschke: is this Arthur William Nitschke?
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Ben Liebelt: is this Philip Benjamin Liebelt b1900, 1st cousin to Ed and Oss?
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Ed Liebelt: is this Alfred Edward Liebelt b1903, brother of Oss?
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Bill Kuchel: is Johann Friedrich Wilhelm Kuchel b1891.
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Johann Friedrich Wilhelm 'Bill' Kuchel, is on far right.
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Alf Paech: is this Alfred Carl Paech b1892 who married Auguste Ottilie Fromm b1891, in 1919?
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Albert Ey: is this Wilhelm Albert EY b1883, and married 'Bill's sister Maria 'Emma' KUCHEL b1881, in 1912?
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Bill Kuchel: is Johann Friedrich Wilhelm Kuchel b1891.
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More information & photographs of descendants of Johann Gottfried Erdmann KUCHEL & Johanne Dorothea Elisabeth KUCHEL can be found here:
├── Johann Louise KUCHEL 1840-1922
Married Eduard David GREGOR
Their children were:
├── Wilhelmine Henrietta GREGOR [1861-1945]
Marriage records not found, children with August HOLST
├── Carl August Lebrecht GREGOR [1863 death date not found]
Married Bessey PHILLIPS [1834-1914]
├── Maria Louise GREGOR [1865-1953]
Married William WOODLAND [1863-1937]
├── Friedrich Wilhelm GREGOR [1868- 1919]
Never married.
├── Johanna Louisa GREGOR [1870-1947]
Married Albert SOAR [1868c -1949]
├── Gottlieb EdwardGREGOR [1872-1951]
Married Edith Mary COLLINS [1880-1948 ]
├── Lydia ElizabethGREGOR [1873-1957]
Married Henry Martin BERRY [1873-1914]
├── Emma Dorothea GREGOR [1876-1928]
Married Graham Benjamin MARSH [1869-1930]
├── Anna Auguste GREGOR [1878-1958]
Married Alfred James BURFORD [1875-1957]
└── Alma OttilieGREGOR [1880-1957]
Married Freidrich Wilhelm 'Bill' BRAENDLER [1878-1964]
├── Johanna Dorothea KUCHEL 1842-1926
Married Johann Wilhelm August GUST
Their children were:
├── Anna Louise GUST (1867 death date unknown]
Married John Allan Barry WILSON (b unknown]
├── Friedrich Wilhelm GUST (1870 death date unknown]
Never married.
└── Heinrich August GUST (b1873 death date unknown]
Never married.
├── Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL 1846-1923
Married Johanne Louise LIEBELT
Their children were:
├── Anna 'Bertha' KUCHEL 1872-1938
Married William COLLINS
├── Gustav Adolph KUCHEL 1873-1931
Married Louise Martha BRAENDLER
├── Johanne Caroline KUCHEL 1875-1876
├── Johann Gottlieb KUCHEL 1877-1951
Married Marie Bertha SCHMEISS
├── Gottfried Alfred KUCHEL 1879-1967
Married Rose Therese Irene HENNINGSEN.
├── Maria 'Emma' KUCHEL 1881-1923
Married Wilhelm 'Albert' EY
├── Pauline Hulda KUCHEL 1883-1957
Married Edward Otto MUELLER.
├── Martha Mathilda KUCHEL (1886-1887).
├── Johanna Louise KUCHEL (1888)
Married Ernest NELSON.
└── Johann Friedrich Wilhelm KUCHEL (1891-1960)
Never married.
├── Johann Friedrich Hanfried KUCHEL 1850-1909
Married Emma KUBERN
Their children were:
├── Johann Friedrich KUCHEL 1898-1898.
├── Caroline Dorothea KUCHEL 1899-1920
├── Albert Edward KUCHEL 1901-1963
Married Adeline Ivy Laura Maud PENNERY.
├── Alma Othilie KUCHEL 1902-1974
Married Herbert Wilhelm ZEUNERT.
├── Ida Clara Auguste KUCHEL b1907
└── Clara A KUCHEL (. )
Married WOOLLEY ???
── Anna Elizabeth KUCHEL 1854-1932
Married to Rudolph Richard Edmund DIEDERICH
Their children were:
├── Ida Clara Auguste DIEDERICH
Married Ludwig Theodore Harry SCHARENBERG
└── Wilhelm Paul DIEDERICH
Married Kath NEWCOMBE
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Edit conflict! Other version: Edit conflict! Your version: Bibliography
Fairilie Liebelt, Alan Wittwer, Liebelt Family History, Adelaide, Lutheran Publishing House, 1975.
11. End Notes
[01]. David Schubert, Kavel's People From Prussia to South Australia, Adelaide, Lutheran Publishing House, 1985, page 151 & 166
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[04]. David Schubert, Kavel's People From Prussia to South Australia, Adelaide, Lutheran Publishing House, 1985, page 156
[05]. David Schubert, Kavel's People From Prussia to South Australia, Adelaide, Lutheran Publishing House, 1985, page 145
[06]. David Schubert, Kavel's People From Prussia to South Australia, Adelaide, Lutheran Publishing House, 1985, page 145
[07] David Schubert, Kavel's People From Prussia to South Australia, Adelaide, Lutheran Publishing House, 1985, page 148
[08] David Schubert, Kavel's People From Prussia to South Australia, Adelaide, Lutheran Publishing House, 1985, page 149
[09] David Schubert, Kavel's People From Prussia to South Australia, Adelaide, Lutheran Publishing House, 1985, page 150
[10] David Schubert, Kavel's People From Prussia to South Australia, Adelaide, Lutheran Publishing House, 1985, page 151
[11]. David Schubert, Kavel's People From Prussia to South Australia, Adelaide, Lutheran Publishing House, 1985, page 151
[12] David Schubert, Kavel's People From Prussia to South Australia, Adelaide, Lutheran Publishing House, 1985, page 152
[13] David Schubert, Kavel's People From Prussia to South Australia, Adelaide, Lutheran Publishing House, 1985, page 169
[14]. David Schubert, Kavel's People From Prussia to South Australia, Adelaide, Lutheran Publishing House, 1985, page 176
[01] Fairilie Liebelt, Alan Wittwer, Liebelt Family History, Adelaide, Lutheran Publishing House, 1975 page 6
[02] Ibid, page 44
[03] David Schubert, Kavel's People From Prussia to South Australia, Adelaide, Lutheran Publishing House, 1985, page 166.[04] SAGHS Births Death and Marriages.
[04] South Australian Marriage Registrations 1842-1916
[05] Vera Schwerdt, George Hill, Alan Wittwer Kuchel 1838-1970, Adelaide, Mitchell Press Pty Ltd, 1970 page 6
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NOTE: Photos from other collections are named where appropriate, otherwise all photos from the 'John MUELLER Photographic Collection & Other Archival Material'
