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Thanks again for all the great history updates, and good to see you back on the wiki. I am curious — what exactly does it mean to be a "pro-choice city," do you know? —CovertProfessor

Welcome back! How're things? —TomGarberson

That's really fantastic to hear, Scott! —tg

Yeah, it is weird! A nice little tidbit, actually, perfect for the wiki! And I too am very glad to hear that you are feeling better overall these days. As for Ruth and Sue, I seem to remember that Sue was challenging Ruth — if I recall correctly, she called Ruth a liar. I also seem to recall that there was pretty good evidence that Ruth was, in fact, lying. But many people somehow thought it was bad for Sue to call her a liar nonetheless. —cp

"Self-proclaimed inconvenience is greatly exaggerated" amused me. -jw

I got Dobey as in the creature from harry potter, I get Dough Bey from Asian people, when I was younger I got Dogbert (not really an insult he is a cool character) etc etc

the thing that really grinds my gears is honestly Stephan (when it's Stephen) but I'm pretty sure that is touched upon in my blurb


I was in traffic once and I saw him set up infront of aggie Daubert

Thanks. I really appreciate your point of view as well. —MaxLucas

I haven't put on the Wiki about meeting Clint Eastwood - in Davis. —BruceHansen

I remember when Clint Eastwood would visit Dr. Donald Kincade, who was his long time friend and dentist. The neighborhood kids would hand around their house hoping to catch a glimpse. —SueHjerpe

Check. Albeit briefly. -bh

—- hows it going! Daubert

2011-08-09 19:05:31   Well if you look at the first comment I deleted, it is completely baseless criminal accusation, even TomGarberson deleted a comment on PizzaGuys just a few hours ago about a baseless criminal accusation.

The second comment, is similar to another comment that is of same nature that is already on identity/abuse page.

I am happy you asked because I tried my best to explain on the 'comment about change' but it wouldn't let me put a full explanation.  —NikhilDahal

  • I'm pretty sure neither of those comments were criminal accusations. -Megan

2011-08-11 17:48:03   I don't understand the purpose of putting the city council on the "Town Characters" page... Rationale? —ScottLay

2011-08-12 00:05:36   Heh... I like the caption on The Bike People. —JabberWokky

2011-08-12 10:11:27   You've given no reasons to rename a SEVEN YEAR OLD page other than you dislike the name. Since when is being a "character" derogatory, anyway? —WilliamLewis

2011-08-12 10:29:12   I completely agree with you and will probably chime in at some point. —DonShor

2011-08-12 11:52:32   I will resist your efforts tooth and nail on anything you do with town characters

go edit focus your energy elsewhere on the wiki and be productive you stick in the mud —StevenDaubert

2011-08-12 19:27:59   Scott, I mean this in the nicest way... it might be time to take a wiki break if you call someone a literalist bitch because they correct an edit about whether someone was a mayor. —CovertProfessor

2011-08-12 19:35:24   Come on, Scott... I know you're angry, but this won't help. —CovertProfessor

2011-08-12 19:41:27   I wouldn't say you're the lone voice in this. Some agree with you, some (like me) are a bit on the fence, and some disagree. I don't think anyone has proposed anything that we can all live with, so we're in a bit of a limbo at the moment. But that doesn't mean that you aren't being heard or that it's not worth your time to make your case. —CovertProfessor

2011-08-12 19:47:09   Sounds like a good idea. :-) —CovertProfessor

2011-08-14 20:13:25   Sucks that refocusing the yellow electric trike page didn't fly. I've seen the guy around too, and I had really reflected on my view of him. At first I kind of thought "whats with that guy?" like others describe and eventually it seemed self explanatory that he is no more remarkable than other electric wheel chair users, and his vehicle is really the remarkable thing. If some wiki editor knows him well enough to say how the vehicle reflects his character, then we can write that about him, otherwise without even knowing his name... I don't think its about being PC either. PC is just a phrase for what people think others think they should do when they don't really understand the reason, so I can see why people would say that in this case. Maybe I should explain better or something so its not just PC? —NickSchmalenberger

2011-08-15 00:47:10   Yeah, I think I'm usually much more of an inclusionist here than others. With these sorts of pages though we should be careful. If this were a traditional message board even, old threads would be less prominent and its easier to gossip and then feel like maybe we shouldn't have gossiped about that without any further action. The wiki can really uphold gossip though and help some wacky or rude perception become conventional wisdom. A lot of people may think something (my perception is these are carpet bagging college students of power and privilege, thats probably wrong too) (lots of people probably find a cartoon interpretation of diversity convenient) wrong like that Officer Waltz is a midget and the wiki encouraged that for quite a while. —NickSchmalenberger

2011-08-15 00:49:57   Also alot of the things I've read about google lately, and the book Woman on the Edge of Time, have emphasized to me how important it is to refer to people as they like. —NickSchmalenberger

2011-08-15 01:57:10   Hmm, rereading my comment, if I use words like privilege and diversity it sounds like PC claptrap. So really I think each situation must be considered separately and empathy may or may not be possible, but hopefully. "Respect" without empathy I think is what leads to the feeling of PC, and most people probably cannot easily empathize with many situations (I know its hard for me). I think considering the specifics though instead of general PC guidelines is important. Or something, blah, I still feel like I'm being too anal about this. I guess I just happen to have some empathy for some of these situations that others don't I guess, I'm not sure how else to explain anymore. —NickSchmalenberger

2011-08-15 02:14:54   Also, while I have empathy for "the situation" because I think I've felt like both sides in these or similar situations, I can't say I actually have empathy for those individuals whose feelings I don't actually know. —NickSchmalenberger

2011-08-16 20:44:32   hahahahha did you seen WL's take on things on Schmals page? —StevenDaubert

2011-08-17 13:31:58   Should I bring Jack Links beef jerky? —TomGarberson

2011-08-19 21:01:20   Don't worry about it. As I said to CP at the time (because they were editing at the same time), I went sarcastic when I was upset, which is never a good thing. The trigger was you saying how absolutely terrible certain things were — in front of the people who wrote them. Virtually nobody wants to do the wrong thing here, and I know for certain that those entries have been given careful consideration over the years. I do certainly apologize for the sarcastic and vitriolic edit. You didn't deserve it, because you are also one of the people trying to do the right thing. I reverted that edit because I realized it was far too harsh as soon as I read it back. My sincere apologies. —JabberWokky

2011-09-03 23:42:47   Bruce most certainly is Bruce. A fine fellow indeed. Thanks for politely pointing out what I missed in the mess. I'm still curious as to what Wes heard that prompted this. —JabberWokky

2011-09-15 16:35:03   Thanks for your comment on ["Race & Ethnicity/Talk"]. It's the best one-paragraph explanation of why such groups are needed I've seen. —WilliamLewis

2011-09-17 00:22:04   there is a reason I never made the superior farms page, they don't want it. Which is funny cause a map of the location shows up on google as first result for them

c'est la vie —StevenDaubert

2011-09-19 16:12:49   I've got a foam Blinky the dairy cow that I somehow acquired from some student housing authority figure when I was living in Tercero. Is that good enough for you? —WilliamLewis

2011-09-20 18:17:04   Thanks. It's easy to be upbeat in this project: for all the grief and annoyance, the vast majority of stuff actually goes along pretty smoothly. It's easy to only see the times when things go pear shaped as the "typical wiki", but there are lots of people contributing their views about Davis quietly and consistently all day and all night. To me, that's the "typical wiki". Even when people do argue, it's usually based on their passion to make sure the best thing happens: they just differ on how to do that. Well, that and the occasional Davis dispute spilling into the wiki (pet grooming, ahem), which is a good sign that the wiki is integrated into the community. —JabberWokky

2011-09-20 18:26:21   As an example, Lambda Omicron Xi is quietly putting up a photo of their 2011 formal. That's a win for documenting part of Davis in 2011. Meanwhile, it looks like they got a new chef at Atria Covell Gardens who is improving the food for the senior citizens there, and The Trees Apartments has a manager communicating with their tenants. Forget the fluff at Real Computer's entry... that's the real wiki current. Even the cab collision story and the various versions going around are healthy, as they are real aspects of Davis. Emotionally charged, but they are the kind of things that happen in the community that the wiki should record. —JabberWokky

2011-09-21 15:26:32   Actually, most Americans don't care about the constitution, as evidenced by their acquiescence to the modern, imperial federal government. Nearly everything the federal government does these days is illegal under the constitution. Sure, there is a century or two of rationalization for disobeying the actual text of the constitution in the form of case law to allow people to claim to support the constitution, but that doesn't change the fact that nearly everyone has contempt for the text itself.

Also, I think many people wish the 2nd amendment wasn't in the bill of rights. —WilliamLewis

2011-09-21 15:56:58   Fair enough. =) —WilliamLewis

2011-09-22 16:51:05   Thanks :) Wasn't sure if it might cross a line. I guess we'll see. —TomGarberson

2011-09-22 17:19:38   Thanks again! It was nice to meet you and talk shop about Davis —StevenDaubert

2011-09-22 21:54:31   Thank you for your kind comments, Scott, they mean a lot to me. The feeling is mutual. I love that you add real content to the wiki, especially the history entries. You also show a very strong compassion and concern for others, which I really respect. —CovertProfessor

2011-09-30 16:35:44   dude have you been to the dumpling house? I'm kinda irked at my self for forgetting to try it, I was just so intent on charging forward with the Sushi —StevenDaubert

2011-10-01 12:24:50   You just wait until Tom ties in the shoppe into one of these talk pages! —WilliamLewis

2011-10-01 12:41:25   I'm guessing it's a wiki wacky woo. —TomGarberson

2011-10-03 01:25:56   I was talking about that more recently to somebody who works on campus, and he mentioned everything was still in Federal hands. I'll see if I can get more current info. —JabberWokky

2011-10-03 10:41:21   Still no word back from the Feds on the arson case as far as anybody knows. —JabberWokky

2011-10-03 15:35:22   The straight talk always makes me chuckle :) —TomGarberson

2011-10-03 19:42:06   That's the point I suppose. I know Bruce is a decent guy, but I also know he can be gullible and allows people to take advantage of him and his generosity. It has happened time and time again with several of his drivers. In any case, see my most recent comment on the Friendly Cab/Talk page for further info. I am bowing out of the conversation. —Wes-P

2011-10-06 20:02:18   You sure know a lot of interesting historical tidbits! Where are you finding all this good stuff? —MeggoWaffle

2011-10-10 14:12:04   Have some good Bible!

"Give beer to those who are perishing, wine to those who are in anguish; let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more." —Proverbs 31:6-7

"You have heard the law that says, 'Love your neighbor' and hate your enemy. But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike. If you love only those who love you, what reward is there for that? Even corrupt tax collectors do that much. If you are kind only to your friends, how are you different from anyone else? Even pagans do that! But you are to be perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect." —Matthew 5:43-48


2011-10-10 16:54:14   The credit agencies sell lists of people who fit certain credit profiles unless you opt-out explicitly.

Have fun. —WilliamLewis

2011-10-10 17:10:19   Heh, I was just looking that up. CA law specifically mentions opt-in opt-out too. There's a bunch of limitations on what they can get without your consent, but they may have already gotten your consent when you signed up for an account. They have to wait 45 days and you can opt-out at any time. Who "they" is and what you're opt'ing in or out of I don't recall. It's on a consumer site. —JabberWokky

2011-10-10 23:41:56   life is always great in Davis, CA —StevenDaubert

2011-10-11 10:31:28   Thanks for the book tip - and your input on Occupy talk page. You're not bad yourself =) —MeggoWaffle

2011-10-11 21:19:59   I just worry as I see little fun things like that excised from the wiki and people seem to agree with the removal. =\ —WilliamLewis

2011-11-01 16:59:46   Actually for a lot of the things the co-op is the cheapest place in town. Especially if you utilize the bulk food section for things like rice, herbs, beans, dried fruits etc. What would normally cost me 3 bucks a bottle for paprika I can get for 60 cents from the bulk section. —OliviaY

2011-11-02 11:32:42   While I love the Co-op (we've had people after we moved away from Davis comment on our Co-op shopping bags), Pedrick has a bunch of bulk items and fresh fruit as well. Again, not saying that you shouldn't go to the Co-op, just giving a nod to another option. —JabberWokky

2011-11-02 18:31:15   No worries. It takes some research and learning to figure out how to make the most of the co-op. Some things are going to be more expensive no matter what (like meats, but they are primarily local and free range which I love) but other things are super cheap. There is a great variety of sprouted tofu that is cheap which I love and there is a clearance bin in the freezer section for meat. I often get racks of baby back pork ribs for 50% off simply by checking this spot every time I'm in the store. Strauss Creamery has non-homogenized milk (thick layer of cream on top of the whole milk mmm) from what I *believe* are free range cows. The milk seems expensive the first time you check out but that's due to a 1.50 bottle deposit...they recycle glass bottles for the milk so when you bring the empty bottle back you get $1.50 credit on your checkout. Plus the coupons they send out every quarter can be used on products even when they are on sale. So today I got organic frozen corn that was already marked down a dollar for another 70 cents off. That's how you make the most of it. It takes a little effort, but if you have the time it can be a really fun experience. Produce is always expensive when it's organic but I appreciate that there is more range in their produce department than any where else in town other than the farmer's market.

I'm a little co-op crazy though and grocery shopping for me is like a religious experience because of how much I love cooking and food science. So take everything I say with a pinch of pink Himalayan sea salt or something. —OliviaY

2011-11-06 12:25:49   Utterly incorrect. There actually was no ban, per se. There was just a lack of licenses being given to produce or import. You need a license to produce or import liquor, and none was given for a long time. That resulted in a de facto ban, of course, but the difference is important to note. Thujone never appeared in any significant quantities in period absinthe, and modern absinthe contains about the same amount. Wormwood has been used quite happily, with thujone, in a large amount of foodstuffs for the past century. There's a large cult around absinthe, with many misconceptions aimed at making it appear sexy, dangerous and exclusive. It turns out to just be a (very high proof!) herbal liquor that got a bad name awhile back. —JabberWokky

  • Actually, looking it up, modern absinthe contains more thujone on average than original absinthe. I'm betting that's to market to the "more is better" and "I'm more sexy and dangerous if I drink this one" modern mentality in their customer base. -jw

2011-11-06 12:37:53   Check the much more cited (and less prone to editing by absinthe groupies) Thujone article: skip to "Thujone in absinthe". That's what I just read to add my follow up comment. Much of what I wrote from earlier is from newspaper articles, a couple NPR interviews and a friend who operates a distillery in the Virgin Islands. There's a great, in depth article — probably in the New York Times — when the second US license was issued. Sarah just walked in with lunch, however, so I'll be AFK for a bit. —JabberWokky

2011-11-06 13:02:57   Well, again from the same article, "A 2005 study recreated three 1899 high-wormwood recipes and tested with GC-MS, and found that the highest contained 4.3 mg/L thujone." A liter of water is one kilogram, alcohol is similar in weight, thus the 10 mg/kg limit is very roughly two and a half times above the original early 20th century absinthe. However... the link that you're citing is from 2007 and no longer exists. I.e., it's pre-ban information. —JabberWokky

  • Sarah did a glance over and thinks the limit you're talking about would work out to 7.89 mg/L — still over twice as high as the highest found in that study. It's a quick guess, but she's a chemist, so her quick guess is probably better to go with than my rough approximation. -jw

2011-11-06 14:01:31   Take a look at the sentence in between. —JabberWokky

2011-11-06 20:11:29   Yep, except that I loathe licorice, so I've merely tried it a few times. I do generally like herbal liquors. There's an eastern European wormwood infused almond liquor that I find much more palatable. Of course, that's even worse if you're intent upon saving people from choice, as it uses bitter almonds which contain cyanide. I've also had wormwood beer from a brewer in the SCA. And parts per million is mg/kg (milli is thousandth, kilo is thousand, and 1,000,000 is a million - a thousand thousands), so it is saying the same thing, only using big terms. There's not much thujone in wormwood anyway, and as it in particular doesn't really add anything except a "this was forbidden" thrill, it's a bit like seeking out bananas that are really radioactive. Sure, all bananas are radioactive, but that's never really been the point of eating them. It's the bitter herbal flavor of the wormwood that was cause for the original use, and wormwood was only demonized by somebody who was out to ban alcohol, blaming it for all of mankind's problems. If he could have found something in Juniper berries and started a moral panic with them, we'd have banned gin instead. That doesn't mean you'd be out seeking gin with really high levels of this minor irritating component that happened to be in the herbal extraction; you'd merely be looking for good tasting gin with real Juniper. —JabberWokky

2011-11-07 18:48:30   Haha yeah... that is pretty much why I started the talk page rather than just trying to make changes. —TomGarberson

2011-11-09 06:38:50   HahHah! It will sound weird to say, but Chinese really isn't as difficult as people think. Yes, it's hard to get the tones down, but a lot of times my tones are off and people just understand what I'm saying based on context.I've also become quite proficient at charades when speaking didn't work while living in China. My husband reads and writes fluently, I can text in Chinese and that's about it. So, you think I should be a Tiger Mom? We leave for China in December for a few weeks, hope my one year old son soaks something up while we're there! Keep up the good work on Japanese, 加油! —jsbmeb

2011-11-10 12:54:41   Thanks for correcting my !@$#% up Scott. —OldDavis73

2011-12-01 09:08:35   Thank you for your continued efforts in the critical project documenting the bathrooms of Davis. (Seriously, that was a great comment on Taco Bell). —JabberWokky

2011-12-05 11:58:05   I don't want to get into a meta-discussion about the Businesses page on the Talk page (Businesses/Talk/Talk ?), so I thought I'd respond here. I was a bit surprised when NB started turning the Businesses page into a Yellow Pages directory, given that a number of people had expressed reservations concerning the idea and given that there was no clear consensus. I think under those circumstances, it should not be surprising when a number of those same people come back and say, hey, we still don't like this idea. Or am I missing something? —CovertProfessor

2011-12-05 12:56:43   Thank you for the clarification! Seems reasonable. I'll mull it over a bit. —TomGarberson

2011-12-05 16:05:12   Some people objected to the page from the very beginning. I was on the fence about it until I saw where NB took it. Now I understand the original objections better. —CovertProfessor

2011-12-05 21:31:26   Thanks for your work on Explore! BTW, did I read somewhere that you often edit from your phone? What kind of phone do you have? —PhilipNeustrom

2011-12-10 10:23:19   Either the "kevin muzicar special" should be filed under prostitution, or perhaps Kevin could shed some light on who "Ronnie" is. I'm betting that it's a personal grudge, but there's a thin sliver of hope it's just somebody connected (either a regular, SO or friend of an employee, etc) trying to be goofy and silly. If they reply to me, it may become clear. —JabberWokky

2011-12-10 10:32:26   Yeah, which tends to have short attention spans. —JabberWokky

2011-12-28 20:13:25   wow nice comment —StevenDaubert

2012-01-02 15:26:36   Fabulous! —CovertProfessor

2012-01-02 16:49:57   Agreed. Also the Meetup entry. I was going to take a hack at it this evening. I'm actually heavily active in Meetup, something we started doing when we moved to Nashville. We host a weekly open game night at our place on Wednesdays. ...and very bizarrely, the interviewee on the podcast I am listening to just mentioned Meetup as how they started as I typed this. —JabberWokky

2012-01-02 20:02:45   Thanks Scott for getting "Meetup" going. —BruceHansen

2012-01-19 12:36:52   That is a very unique view of AA. I believe it is very disingenuous, deceptive and will mislead many people. —JabberWokky

I believe that the spirituality info is accurate and is a pretty commonly held opinion about A.A.. There should be more info about A.A. other than what might here be considered the spirituality slant or intro. —BruceHansen

That is my problem with it. Reading that, it's a spiritual group about submission to a higher power. Great. So, it's basically Islam? -jw

2012-01-20 13:48:58   I said disingenuous because of bias. I don't think it is malicious bias (and I do apologize if the word disingenuous implied that), but your focus is on one single aspect and that wound up overshadowing the recovery aspect... which is thus misleading. Personally, I also don't like the term "splinter sects", and would say that there are meetings that vary from the norm to cater to the primary goal of active recovery, as supported in the fourth tradition. Stating it like that would also probably be inaccurate, however, and so I'd just go with the fact that meetings can vary in their approaches to fellowship and recovery. Personally, I'm a little uncomfortable with this on the wiki because of the eleventh tradition. But that's just me. I would rather it be a simple declarative statement that it exists in Davis, meetings vary, and here is where to go. —JabberWokky

2012-01-20 14:37:53   Y'know, I'll make it explicit: I sincerely apologize if you took my words to mean any sort of willful bad editing. I meant that I felt the entry as written was deceptive, not your actions: the "it" was that version of the entry, not you. I completely believe you were editing in good faith, and I am sorry if I implied otherwise. —JabberWokky

2012-01-26 00:02:55   I prefer not to dump too much crap on a new editor, and I'm afraid she's getting some spillover from this ongoing thing with Bruce. To be clear, I think that page is headed in a great direction. There have been several great additions tonight, and I think it's going to be really cool as more and more gets added.

My initial concern was twofold. First, it looked like spam in its initial form. Multiple links to out of town sales websites. As she developed it more, it became clear that wasn't the case. Second, I'm concerned about any page that creates a precedent for bad pages. Bruce has eaten up a HUGE amount of editor time creating messes that need to be cleaned up, then objecting when people clean them up. He often points to other mess pages as support for new ones.

In short, I want to be welcoming and encourage new content without encouraging bad content (or pages with a lack of content). I don't know whether I'm doing a good job of striking that balance, but that's my hope. —TomGarberson

2012-02-02 21:17:42   When I was at the Davis Beer Shoppe, I noticed some people bringing in peanuts or light snacks from outside to their table. Staff did not object but this happened during picnic day and place was pack. I was amaze how they handle the line. Seems like a chill place if they allow people to bring in food. —SimonFung

2012-02-02 21:35:00   Cool! Thanks so much :) —jsbmeb

2012-02-04 08:57:16   Thanks for catching my mistake with Himalaya Gifts — glad to hear that they are still in business. —CovertProfessor

2012-02-05 17:11:14   Yay!!!! Thank you, Scott!!! I'll be checking those out soon!! —CovertProfessor

2012-02-05 18:51:00   I'll let you know! —CovertProfessor

2012-02-08 11:30:20   That's always one of my favorite edits: turning a "new" thing into just "a thing". —JabberWokky

2012-02-09 21:34:52   I seem to have accidentally put my foot in my mouth and the apology — or the attempted apology — is running over your comment. I don't disagree with your assertion, but a private webbug to measure and track web traffic is quite a different thing than wiki tools. We have no walled garden detector, and that is a real problem (A links to B, B links to A, but nothing else links to them). —JabberWokky

2012-02-11 17:58:11   Thanks again for the info about the red bean buns at Kim's. I tracked them down and nuked them in the microwave. They're huge! Warning: it doesn't take too much to overheat them. 1 min is way too much, 45 secs still probably too much. (Then again, I have a really powerful microwave, so ymmv). I thought they were quite good, but a bit too much dough for me, though my partner disagreed and liked the amount of dough. It is possible that I am actually seeking something different and just don't know what it's called, or at least something more like what a restaurant would serve. In the meantime, I now have a way (multiple ways, actually) to get my fix, thanks to you! —CovertProfessor

2012-02-11 19:29:15   Yes, will do! —CovertProfessor

2012-03-02 16:06:51   An open and transparent judicial system beats the alternatives... —JabberWokky

2012-03-04 21:36:54   That wayback website is pretty cool. —SimonFung

2012-03-07 13:18:09   The ABC is often wrong. Remember the whole KetMoRee thing? A wikiite was told that her military ID wasn't valid for verification of age purposes. This is because the ABC told them all military IDs no longer met the legal requirements in California, not understanding there was a difference between the United States Uniformed Services Privilege and Identification Card (which met the requirements at the time) and the Common Access Card (a newer ID which didn't). I wrote to the ABC and they were ignorant of the fact that there are different types of military IDs out there.

I would want a second opinion if the ABC was telling me what the law is.


2012-03-07 17:50:23   I thought your comment on Wunderbar was justified and not too mean —PeterBoulay

2012-03-08 06:28:56   :) —jsbmeb

2012-03-23 19:15:53   I agree, valiant effort on your part too. I have also contacted JW. —jsbmeb

2012-04-01 15:33:36   Heh. The hot sauce addition is dark, but funny. —JabberWokky

2012-04-07 18:27:45   Thanks for digging up that story. I don't say it enough, but you add some very wonderful color to the wiki. —WilliamLewis

2012-04-15 07:52:22   Maybe it's just because I made the Public Speaking Made Easy with John Galiotto, but I disagree. It's a description of what he does and and how the service can help clients. —jsbmeb

2012-04-19 13:06:26   I share your frustration with the process, but I'm not sure that I agree with this. The facts uncovered by the Reynoso report could be relevant to disciplinary actions, and were no doubt relevant to Spicuzza retiring. —CovertProfessor

2012-04-21 17:03:03   That's the page! I couldn't remember what it was called. —CovertProfessor

2012-05-01 14:24:56   I'm glad to hear about the good treatment at de Vere's. I have never understood how or why any business wouldn't work to be accommodating to the needs of every reasonable customer. You built out the entire freaking place and pay an enormous amount to staff to get people in and using your service. A little extra effort for individual needs doesn't seem like a big deal in addition to all the rest. It doesn't even have to be long term — even short term issues like a leg in a cast requires a little bit of courtesy and everything is fine. —JabberWokky

  • Agreed. Maybe we need a page for places that are accommodating and places that are not. I foolishly assumed that all places in Davis would follow the ADA... rather disturbing to hear that that is not the case. —CovertProfessor

2012-05-01 15:34:45   Yes, that seems like the right way to proceed — start with places that are "accommodating" or not in a loose sense, only later perhaps try to tackle actual ADA compliance (which is more complicated, because then we'd be in the realm of law and things start to get sticky). How about simply calling the page Accessibility? That way, it could cover more broadly ways in which businesses are accommodating (or not) to a variety of disabilities, not just wheelchairs? —CovertProfessor

2012-05-01 15:53:54   Good find! We can keep that name and then perhaps have other names redirect to it. —CovertProfessor

2012-05-08 20:53:48   Yanni with two n's is a good musician, though I admittedly haven't listened to his works since I was about 5 or 6 years old. —EliYani

2012-05-10 15:49:21   Right! *Someone* on his campaign ought to have known about it! Weird. But good that he is in general in support of student protests. —CovertProfessor

2012-05-10 16:27:16   Good luck talking to that brick wall :) I am sleepy and do not have the constitution to do it. I wish you well ;) —LoriOrf

2012-05-12 21:16:16   I often forget, too, but this seemed like an organization that shouldn't be forgotten about. I thought maybe linking to the old group might inspire someone to start it up again. —CovertProfessor

2012-05-14 07:11:08   Hi Scott, I'm disappointed that you would characterize the actions of long-term and dedicated Davis citizens as "buying and selling democracy". That is unfounded and harmful to an honest civic discussion about our local government. When I have some time, I will come back on and try to work with you to present a fair presentation of the Davis ChamberPAC's activities. As you and Don Shor, and CP have presented it... it's all a big conspiracy. The unfortunate fact is that we have done more that any campaign (individual or group) to publicly and transparently share our motivations, goals and financial means. I guess no good deed goes unpunished.

For starts, let's go with something simple. The ChamberPAC should have its on page. It is a separate entity that is not controlled by the Chamber's Board of Directors and it is independently funded.

Secondly, why are their simplistic descriptions of the people who serve on the ChamberPAC's board? Because it insinuates that the efforts are only about peripheral growth or some sort of good ol' boys club. Well, that is a false chararcterization. This election and these efforts have almost nothing to do with peripheral growth... it is all about economic development policies, job growth, and respectful, collaborative and solution-oriented elected officials. There are two alternatives to clean up this wash job: either list a full range of the Board Members' activities OR list none. Mine could read "Kemble Pope (Chamber Executive Director, Former Chair of the City of Davis Open Space & Habitat Commission, Chair of the City of Davis Climate Action Team, Rotary Member, Campaign Consultant: Rochelle Swanson & Stephen Souza for Davis City Council, Founding Member of Designing a Sustainable and Innovative Davis Economy (DSIDE)"

Lastly, why would you remove the ChamberPAC's motivation for endorsing the three candidates but leave spurious remarks from an outside source... where is the context?? where is the fairness?? Looks agenda driven to me.

Thoughts? I can't promise that I'll be very active this week, as I'm planning an event for 10,000 people on Thursday... Celebrate Davis at Community Park, 4:30-9:15pm (fireworks at 9pm). I hope that you'll stop by the ChamberPAC's booth at that event and learn more about your well intentioned efforts.

Best, Kemble —KemblePope

2012-05-16 16:59:15   Hi Scott, do you know how to make a box around some information? I am working on tthe Diamond Way page and would like a nice box around the San Francisco center's activities. Do you know how to do this? Alzada —AlzadaMagdalena

2012-05-17 12:46:06   Thank you Scott! The box and color is awesome. I copied and pasted boxes into the Diamond Way and Healing Arts pages and I think they look so great! I appreciate you taking the time to make it possible. What computer language is this? Is it HTML? I am doing everything simply be copying and pasting and following the directions on the wiki, but it would be nice to know what I am working with so I can look it up elsewhere. Thanks! Alzada —AlzadaMagdalena

2012-05-17 12:49:17   Since we are corresponding, is there some way to make the Wiki's comments run from more recent to most antique? So one could instantly see what the latest stuff is? Or is it a coding issue that is too difficult? I find that the early comments are overweighted in different sites, simply because one has to scroll down for the current stuff. —AlzadaMagdalena

2012-05-17 20:10:01   My job as moderator at the Vanguard is to try to keep a civil tone. That was all I was referring to in my comment to you. In general when there is a response to a moderation action, I will pull that so the thread doesn't get sidetracked. You're welcome to contact me at [email protected] about any issues, and this is also fine. But the main reason I agreed to moderate the Vanguard (as a volunteer, by the way) was to prevent the kind of flame wars that occur on blogs. —DonShor

2012-05-18 22:58:43   You haven't been banned (for the record, I don't have the power to do that; only David Greenwald does). Thanks for the note. —DonShor

2012-05-20 15:56:15   The Davis Psychic entry was one of my first additions to the wiki. I had lived in Sacramento, and before I moved to Davis, that billboard and the Varsity were pretty much everything I knew about Davis. I'm really glad to see more info being added. —JabberWokky

2012-05-27 09:05:02   Hallucinating this time, although I've returned to Davis without telling the wiki, so I suppose it was possible. It was for a short family visit, and we didn't think we'd get out of the Bay Area. —JabberWokky

2012-06-04 21:01:11   well scott it is very unfair that you just came back to wiki and starts slandering my name and my business for nothing. do you know how much i lost on my business since you put this topic online? well again, i won't blame you rather it is wiki. BUT dont forget that LIABLE is against law. thank you. —andrewnnodim

  • Liable is definitely not against the law. —cp
    • I think we are looking at Libel instead of Liable Daubert
      • Well, yes. *Libel* is against the law. —cp
    • Libel is not against the law. It only makes you liable. —GregKuperberg
      • And we have a winner! —cp

2012-06-05 08:58:58   Scott, i dont care about any body being sympathic to me, what i care fair treatment, i want that ACCUSATION posted in my front business page being removed within 24 hours otherwise i will be mad. —andrewnnodim

2012-06-06 16:03:28   Yeah, I figured I might have to explain beyond the edit comment. It's pretty much as I wrote: it's been in transition for a long time, and that version is actually better than the other (although it does have a ton of stuff stripped out that should go back in). If it's not clear, I do think it should be reverted and then the rewrite finished. However, it stagnated halfway, and not-ideal (the stripped version) is somewhat better than unreadable, repetitive mess. Keep in mind that regular editors read with a wiki editor's eye, able to jump around and read the notations. Somebody trying to actually read that page wouldn't really be able to follow easily. —JabberWokky

2012-06-06 16:05:32   And in case it's not obvious, it's not like I get into edit wars... if you revert back, I've already made my edit (the revert) and made my case for the edit. —JabberWokky

2012-07-13 11:40:22   Coincidence. Tom and I were trying to figure out Ashot's situation just last night. I did a partial edit saying much the same thing, plus some extra info about the testimony, then decided to see if I can get some solid primary info. —JabberWokky

2012-07-13 12:23:24   I'm with you. They reported the trial would begin June 25 and didn't follow up further. There's a pretty good chance it's been continued, or even settled via a plea deal, but whatever the case, some follow-up from the Enterprise would've been nice. —TomGarberson

2012-07-13 12:30:08   I think, given the seriousness, careful attention to details is warranted. —JabberWokky

2012-08-15 10:13:13   Thanks for your contributions, Scott, and no disrespect meant, but the black chicken hasn't been here for years and the Pole Line Gate shot has ugly orange cones which are not normally present, so these shots are pretty misleading as far as the way the cemetery looks. I am assuming you like the place and wish to show it accurately, yes? —SusanFinkleman

2012-08-15 10:19:06   Wanted to invite you to post some cemetery photos of the many types of wildlife we DO still have on the grounds, as well as a new photo of the Pole Line Gate, sans ugly orange cones, please. —SusanFinkleman

2012-08-15 11:22:19   Hope these changes meet your criteria for respecting the posts of others. Please note that I am the office manager of the cemetery, and as someone who works here 40+ hours per week for 7 years now, I care a great deal about the cemetery being represented accurately, both in words and in pictures. My email is [email protected] if you want to communicate directly with me. —SusanFinkleman

2012-08-27 21:11:09   Agree with Tom re: veggie burgers. Morningstar is the way to go. My favorite flavors are the spicy black bean burger (Safeway) and the tomato and basil pizza burger (TJ's). —MeggoWaffle

2012-09-05 22:51:32   Happier with that version? Didn't mean to cast dispersion on any particular person. When the Talk page gets longer than the actual writeup about the topic, I just wonder what's actually going on. —JabberWokky

2012-09-07 12:38:06   Didn't mean to ignore you in my comment on OF....I didn't see it when I posted it —PeteB

2012-09-16 02:20:22 You're welcome! :-) —JudithTruman

2012-10-15 15:47:14   wired is a conde nast publication, I used to have a gift subscription —StevenDaubert

2012-10-18 08:04:12   Well, thank you for starting it off! I kept meaning to do it, but the task felt too daunting. It's always easier when different people chip away at different bits. :-) —CovertProfessor

2012-10-24 08:04:49   I'm also disgusted with Thompson's self-justified racism, but perhaps in the light of day you might want to rethink the comment you left on the Radio Shack page? —CovertProfessor

2012-10-24 17:14:53   :-) —CovertProfessor

2012-10-24 20:04:01   Re: "I hope Thompson flees, right off a cliff as far I'm concerned. And I hope everyone like him/her does. I'm gonna pray as hard as i can for some meteor or super-volcano action this year to wipe us all off the map. I sure could use a vacation from this stupid shit."

Thompson might very well be autistic or Asperger's. All the signs are there. Someone with Asperger's, unless they've worked at it for a long long time, literally has no idea how damaging just speaking the truth can be. I can imagine him getting into a social encounter, getting his ass handed to him, and figuring next time all he has to do to avoid a similar situation is to not deal with a Hispanic male. He was careful not to break any laws and to speak in a non-aggressive tone. I'm disappointed that you, often the defender of people on the mental disorder spectrum would ignore the possibility of him having an issue. One last comment. Thompson broke no laws. He does not deserve to die, as you have implied. It's also the responsibility of retail stores to take the higher ethical ground.


  • Jim—I am a former Social Worker that worked with Asperger's & autistic folks. Were you there? Did you directly witness the behavior? With respect to you, I think you're reading too much into .thompson's comment. While I think the death comment was harsh, I think you've gone the opposite way. I don't see those signs...I see someone who had a bad experience and has developed an unfortunate (and unfair) pre-judgement of all Hispanic males. —PeteB
    • I'm Asperger's. I've spent the last 30 years socializing myself. I know a little bit about it. I didn't *say* he had Asperger's, I tried to say that maybe he does and maybe we shouldn't be in such a rush to judgement. —JimStewart

2012-10-24 21:06:24   Bingo on Electric Trike Guy. —PeteB

2012-10-24 21:45:38   Scott-I don't think you need a break. You blew up-you clarified-it's all good with me. —PeteB

2012-10-24 21:54:49   If you're on twitter drop me a private message with your email to @petesuz. I'd like to talk privately...going to bed—goodnight —PeteB

2012-11-02 16:22:44   Is that vegan burrito a new menu item?? I don't remember seeing it there before. —CovertProfessor

2012-11-02 17:40:56   Thanks for the info! I'll be checking it out soon and let you know what I think. —CovertProfessor

2012-11-08 17:15:06   I really liked Taq D's vegan burrito — it was flavorful and a really good balance of ingredients. —CovertProfessor

2012-11-13 13:46:21   Sure! I'll be interested to know if you like it as much as I did. —CovertProfessor

2012-11-22 00:17:51   It's obviously not one of the flock... but yeah. As soon as the idea struck I couldn't stop laughing. —TomGarberson

2012-11-22 00:22:27   Thanks, Scott, and happy thanks giving to you! I hope things are going well. —TomGarberson

2012-11-22 02:45:08   Yeah, I originally had Omnivore Considerations. As I'm on a phone right now, please change it if you could.... this browser is horrible when editing. I didn't like Eating Balanced, but wow... you're absolutely right with the implication. I missed that. Thanks.

And happh Thanksgiving to you, too! —JabberWokky

2012-11-22 02:46:21   To be clear: I'm not a fan of Omnivore Considerations, but it's better than what's there. —JabberWokky

2012-12-20 23:25:50   Thanks for fixing that. The Clerk told me it was a Sasquatch so that is what I was looking for. Albino Bigfoot may be a more accurate description. It's a really strange thing to put in front of your store and I'm interested in the story behind it. On holloween we should dress it up as a Chewbacca. —MikeyCrews

2013-01-05 13:08:35   Thanks for adding all the great photos, especially the town art! —CovertProfessor

2013-01-05 13:45:51   Excellent!! That's great!! —CovertProfessor

2013-01-11 16:08:40   Gordon no longer has ownership of the restaurant? Kevin owns the bar for sure but when did gordon dip scene? —StevenDaubert

2013-01-18 16:37:57   I was happy to add something about the controversy. It angers me, too. As you say, it's a hardship for no-income people, low-income people, and the owners of the business themselves. I keep hoping there is some way to get Goodwill to change their mind or for the city to help them (financially) to find a nearby alternative location.

As for the Vanguard, yes, most of the regular commenters there are extremely annoying. I've learned which names to skim/ignore and which names to read.

There was also a good editorial in the Enterprise. I'll add a link to that to, maybe with a quote or two given their obnoxious paywall. —CovertProfessor

2013-02-15 00:12:28   Go go master link checker! The Graveyard itself will be useful, coupled with I doubt many subjects have a resource like that to go back through defunct sources. —JabberWokky

2013-02-15 02:37:07   good work on the blogs —StevenDaubert

2013-02-15 08:32:12   what were you doing up? —StevenDaubert

2013-02-27 19:52:00   But it's one of the college streets... named after Bates College... are you suggesting it's both? —CovertProfessor

2013-02-27 20:17:42   According to Wikipedia, Bates College was named after Benjamin E. Bates, a Boston financier. —CovertProfessor

2013-02-27 21:33:39   Hmmm... looking at the map, Bates Drive is near Temple and Clemson, which are also universities... but it is also near Baywood and Manzanita, which are trees... so, things got a little messed up at some point, I guess! —CovertProfessor

2013-02-27 22:03:29   Sure. We have each other's backs around here. :-) —CovertProfessor

2014-04-24 21:19:29   I would like to nominate smoothfoam for the award for best spammer username of all time. :) —LoriOrf

2014-08-07 21:45:15   Whups! Nice catch. I even dug into the domain to see if there was anything dubious. Turns out I was looking at the completely wrong URL. —JabberWokky

2014-08-08 00:31:22   I almost didn't catch it either. I was confused at first as well. :-) —ScottMeehleib

2014-08-21 13:14:01   Thanks! I'm hoping to add more photos soon. —ToddKaiser

2014-09-16 18:28:21   there usually is a sign directing you to the lane the cashier is in. olol but still good edits it sadly is very true that both safeways are constantly criminally understaffed —StevenDaubert

2014-09-16 21:42:01   wat

no I was uniformed. Yeah he needs something that is respectable. A) for himself & b) for the ladies —StevenDaubert

2014-09-16 21:42:27   totally down to catch up thou. Get at me —StevenDaubert

2014-12-08 16:02:46   Is there a reason you keep adding this in? I added the talk page to explain why I took it out. —DavidGrundler

2014-12-08 16:03:44   Your compromise edit makes sense —DavidGrundler

2017-10-07 09:17:21   Hi Scott - I'm doing research on early base ball in the Central Valley. It looks like you put a note on the Davis Wiki page that informal games were played here as early as 1857. Is there any chance you still have access to that source? My goal is to develop a vintage base ball league similar to the one I played at when I lived back on the east coast (See: I need some good evidence that base ball was played between the 1850s and 1867, when the rules changed to disallow the "bound rule." Thanks! -Matt —mlstone73

2020-02-12 12:27:12   Question about the Yolo House sketch you uploaded to Davis Wiki: who was the artist? Where is the sketch today? —DrSapW

2021-09-12 10:32:58   I am an admin, but I think the page lock thing no longer exists. I have seriously considered deleting the page and removing it's history, but with this guy there's no guarantee that would stop him. I think we're going to have to just wear him down. —MWanner

2021-09-12 11:13:38   Hi Marc, Scott. I am good at wearing people down, let’s do this together. 😇 —ConstantiaOomen