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Yes, it is pathetically true — I managed to exceed the wiki limits with my archive and page and it is now split into pieces. These are the older comments.

This is pulled from JabberWokky's comments

2004-12-14 07:01:32   I fixed [[RandomQuote]] to work right. Just so you know that's why it's displaying non-weirdly. - PhilipNeustrom

2004-12-14 18:27:52   Is your location updater using the Wireless internet at the place or do you have to do it by hand? That's pretty sweet! I can filter the updates to that page out of Recent Changes if you want (might be cool if you use it a lot?) - PhilipNeustrom

2004-12-14 18:43:49   It's a bash script that checks the SSID and uses that to determine location. It can also be called with a set of keywords for other locations (to override the SSID detect). I'm likely going to turn it into a nice library so it can be used to automatically update anything on the wiki (WAP interface for breaking news? Who knows...) - JabberWokky

2004-12-15 11:27:03   Thanks for the heads up. I made it not dump an error but it still doesn't work just right. Mike'll likely fix it because he knows the Recent Changes stuff better than I. - PhilipNeustrom

2004-12-16 15:04:50   hey, could you revert "The THE Controversy" to my version? I think on pages with just discussion that a comment box ends up marginalizing the structure? - PhilipNeustrom

2004-12-16 15:10:43   The Location Updater is insanely great. Can you do a writeup about what you did? - MikeIvanov

2004-12-16 15:29:57   Philip - I was editing the page when you saved yours, I believe. I was trying to figure out what you had added (in terms of comments). No problem - I'll revert the format and insert my comment. - JabberWokky

2004-12-16 15:31:35   MikeIvanov - No problem. It's a bash script calling curl, which means you need OSX or Linux. Once you have it, the only hard part is getting your MoinMoin key from your cookies. - JabberWokky

2004-12-17 22:17:23   Jabber, you should put a picture up! We know where you are at any minute of the day but we don't even know what you look like. - JackHaskel

2004-12-28 00:49:50   hey, thanks for hosting my song, "the power chord ballad of the turtle". i'm sure your server has crashed a million times already due to the web traffic it has caused. —RaynatoCastro

2005-01-12 09:23:02   The GSA is a nation-wide organization, with chapters in high schools across the country. —BevSykes

2005-01-15 23:53:25   It is possible that there's something wrong with the search, as I rebuilt the index this morning. However, everything seemed to match up perfectly after the database was rebuilt (e.g. the number of pages indexed was the same as the number of pages in the wiki). Let me know if there is a specific problem instance. (I don't remember there being a Hing's page until today) —PhilipNeustrom

2005-01-21 13:33:43   thanks for reverting "wiki ethics." You're my hero! —CaptainRush

2005-01-21 14:19:49   " Could very well be a lie too. Square brackets are a widely recognized way to delimit editorial comments made after the fact. Spelling corrections and simple rewordings can really help. Changing the meaning will likely engender resentment, mistrust and misunderstanding. When in doubt don't make the change." If you are sure that a change will not change the meaning then I see fixing spelling and grammar as being courteous. Changing the meaning is always bad. —PhilipNeustrom

2005-01-21 17:03:24   I was very very very wary of any changes to that particular page. I also think that grammar and spelling mistakes carry information about the person you are speaking with. If I see a very unlikely fact, I am much more inclined to believe the person who says "I am certain that is true; I witnessed it myself" versus "d00d! u r 5m0k1n!! Eye 5aw 1T HAPPENZEZEZ!!!1!11oneoneone". This is only in cases where you are dealing directly with a tree of comments, otherwise, correct away. Keep in mind, I reverted to a mistake of *mine*. At any rate, I'm not rabid about this issue and I'm perfectly content to leave the re-reversion alone, but now you know my rationale. —JabberWokky

2005-01-21 18:16:25   I see what you're saying. It's not cut-and-dry, definitely. But if the text is attributed and is an important part of the page then it only makes good readability-sense to have it spelled/grammarered properly. —PhilipNeustrom

2005-01-21 18:25:22   Sorry if I edited a comment. Was it embeded in the text of a page? I purposely did not correct any misspelling I saw a name attatched to. —AmeliaCarlson

2005-01-24 13:50:27   JabberWocky, I know that this isn't UCDavis only. My edit comment on Hotels was a reminder to the other contributers that this site doesn't just concern students. —KenBloom

2005-02-10 12:00:47   are you sure about that crop dusting fact (that pesticides are harmless)? I'm sure the MSDS incudes all sorts of precautions such as "do not spray on humans". there's a reason farm workers wear long pants, long shirts, gloves, hats and bandanas. —ArlenAbraham

2005-02-11 00:54:12   Arlen - For long term exposure, yes. Dental x-rays are harmless to the patient. But the dentist or tech who takes 16 to 20 a day have to walk around behind a lead lined wall to avoid exposure. Unless you're getting dusted on a daily basis, it's not going to cause instant death. Or even slow death. —JabberWokky

2005-02-22 00:31:09   as awesome as that location thing is, i'm just kinda creeped out knowing that you've just turned on your computer in dixon. —ArlenAbraham

2005-02-22 01:39:53   I really really need to document and upload that puppy for general use. There's a Wiki ID code that needs to be fished out of your browser, and that's the only "tricky bit". I need to write something to pull it automatically (you'd have to enter your Wiki username and password once). I wrote it so it would work on both Linux and OSX. —JabberWokky

2005-02-26 19:41:10   I think it's cool that you watch Father Ted!..."I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do. Whereas priests...More drink!"MiriamKaufman

2005-03-21 00:39:23   Thanks much for the changes on Cost Plus World Market. You'll probably see other arguments like this from me (bias makes me batty). I'll add a comment when I get to it. :) —SS

2005-03-21 01:55:15   Sorry, never read Lovecraft myself. I took the spelling from the wikipedia. Personally I find C'. a little scary — kinda drives me crazy. Except in plushie form — stuffed Cthulhus are so *cute*. —BrentLaabs

2005-03-22 12:00:34   jw, what the fuck is going on? —ArlenAbraham

  • No worries - somebody ran a goofy script to mess with the site. I banned the user, called Mike, who banned the IP, and a bunch of really cool users like AmeliaCarlson all got together and undid the damage. The impressive part is not what he did, but how everybody came together and fixed it by hand faster than he did the damage with a script. — jw

2005-03-22 12:15:02   No problemo, just glad I happened to be on when he started the edting; I don't think he realized it wasn't only making pages wider but screwing with images etc... (or else he'll be back to finish the rest of the alphabet.) —AmeliaCarlson

  • I caught him when he was in the 'C's and blocked him. Thanks for all the revert work. Right now there's no tool to undo a user's mass changes. PhilipNeustrom is now working on one. In the meantime, you wield a mighty mouse... thanks for all the work reverting the damage. — jw

2005-03-22 15:22:09   who the hell was robert morris —JimSchwab

  • Doesn't matter. He's done. — jw

2005-03-22 15:36:58   Do you actually play the violin? —SS

  • Yes. And I just got a new one today. Interesting timing to ask me that. I am very rusty, having not played in about two years, but Sarah and I just got two new violins for her to learn on and myself to get caught back up on. There are people who genuinely like my guitar (I've played guitar in a few bands), and I've been told that I have a pretty good singing voice (I've... uhh... played guitar in a few bands), and I've ben threatening to show up at Roma on Thursday one of the days. — jw
  • I could trade guitar lessons for violin lessons. Or you could just pay me. :) Actually, could you IM me? I can't find you on yahoo IM and do not know your AIM name. —SS

2005-03-23 18:09:09   Hey Evan, what's up with the no-space pages like TitleIndex and FindPage? If they're defined in the markup, we should just change the markup. As it is, they're mostly duplicates of actual pages, such as Title Index, etc. They should be deleted. Let me know what you think. —MikeIvanov

  • Replied to your page.

2005-03-23 18:31:07   That appears to be a lie. —MikeIvanov

  • Darn past tense.

2005-03-24 09:34:37   We're looking for an apartment in Davis. Is The Arbors loud because of the freeway and train tracks? Thanks! —MonicaWilliams

  • I'm second row in from the tracks. I can't really hear the freeway at all. If I open my window, I can hear the trains, but with the window closed, you can only hear the train horns (which applies pretty much anywhere in town even fairly close to the tracks). It is certainly not loud in my opinion.

2005-03-27 13:22:00   you sound quite interesting :) —MarieHuynh

  • Only when playing fluglehorn. Otherwise, I am as boring as the number 8.2 Very boring number that... all "not quite 8", but "not sure I want to be 9", easily expressed in both a fraction and decimal. Very mundane indeed.

2005-03-29 18:39:07   That is an *amazing* rosemary shot! Actually, it's the image of the bee that really blows me away. You must have a steady hand and a fast digital camera. —AlphaDog

2005-04-03 11:06:02   JW, i went through and changed all the wikipedia and wikiwiki links to interwiki links. i didn't necessarily agree with all of them, i just changed them. i know that overlinking to other wikis is a bad idea, but valuable in some aspects. rather than "controversy" i think we should name the section "what not to do." thoughts? —ArlenAbraham

  • I actually like the interwiki links, and think they are a very good idea. I'm just trying to be the brakes on something that could get way out of control. When I went through and removed a bunch of them, it was surgical, not a sweeping action. I also created stubs for some of the links (in places where it would be better to have local pages rather than link to Wikipedia pages). In others, I reproduced the content, but with a DavisWiki focus. — JabberWokky

2005-04-03 11:08:55   p.s. if you got one of these implanted, your tracker could track you instead of your laptop. creepy. —ArlenAbraham

  • I have an iPaq with Linux on it. I've thought about that. Much more useful would be the first step to that - using my GPS and laptop and mapping the open WiFi APs in town with a chart for signal strength. It's on my backburner TODO list. — JabberWokky

2005-04-05 00:05:30   its a franchise so i'm not going to lose my job over this. And if they do ask my boss to fire me, well then I'll sue like mad. And they got some deep pockets in vermont. —RobRoy

2005-04-06 15:11:42   Wombat was a Wombat long before we became addicted to In A Fix, I swear! —SummerSong

2005-04-10 22:10:24   Happy 1000!!! —RobRoy

2005-04-12 18:32:57   1000 edits! congrats! pretty soon now you'll be catching up to PhilipNeustrom. Hail Eris! —BrentLaabs

2005-04-18 00:26:51   JW, just so you know. Every girl who I know, when asked about Sigma Chi, calls it the date rape frat. I don't know how it started but even people on GASC have said it. But you are TOTALLY right in that there should be proof but this is an awkward topic. We'll see how this goes. At least it is getting more people using the wiki, even if it is just to defend their frat —RobRoy

2005-04-18 11:50:56   I wasn't making accusations, rather poiting out that the frat is known as the "date rape frat." i don't know if the name is deserved, but i for sure will stand behind the name being given. —ArlenAbraham

  • I'm perfectly happy with the commentary and think that if such things are being said, they should be mentioned in the entry. I'd be against removing it. I just didn't want it to appear a casual slam page, but rather an entry about the frat that contains some serious charges. — jw

2005-04-18 17:27:55   Thanks for the vote of support! It will be interesting to see if and what others decide to contribute. Hopefully it will be a good learning point. —AlphaDog

2005-04-20 10:58:01   Can you link the article pointing out the fraud aspect of the Wendy's finger story? I read something suggestive, but not definitive. —CraigBrozinsky

  • Yeah - suggestive only, as they have not made an official "we are are focusing our investigation on the theory of..." statement. AFAIK, there is no official statement, but the actions of the investigators are focusing on searching her house and questioning her friends and neighbors, and thus it is a reasonable assumption. I reworded it slightly to make it more clear which are facts versus which are conclusions. — jw

2005-05-03 08:01:00   I have an appointment with Student Judicial Affairs on Wednesday. I just assume that SJA contacted me because of the Aggie, because their Marketing Director threatened to have me arrested. However, it could be about something totally unrelated — I really don't know, as I haven't done anything immoral or harmful lately. —BrentLaabs

2005-05-18 13:29:04   Good afternoon! The price on the Moller Skycar was from the FAQ on their website. Thinkin' about putting a deposit on one?? ; -) —AlphaDog

2005-05-19 10:20:52   Great Job on the city council!! I was saving that for summer break, now I can just edit!! —JimSchwab

2005-05-19 10:55:05   All of those former city council members are orphans.... —JackHaskel

2005-05-19 11:02:17   Morning! After I did all the asmundson links and research, I thought I'd just put cross references in the ones that I was pretty sure about and figured I'd do the full-on research in the next day or so. If you look at the city of davis link I included on the vigfus asmundson page, you'll likely find the references needed to follow up on the stubs I created... just don't have time to do the search right now. Feel free to revert if they make you uncomfortable and I'll doubtlesss get back to them soon. —AlphaDog

2005-05-19 18:49:37   pragmatically, i probably won't be able to, but in the event i can bring back Dunkin Donuts from a trip this weekend, what's your favorite type? —CraigBrozinsky

2005-05-20 21:35:02   Glad to add the marker contents, I only hope I didn't make a transcription error. I'll try to get a decent photo of it later, my photos of it have bad lighting. —JasonAller

2005-05-23 14:17:52   Sorry for the late reply... just saw your comment on feeding the ducks today. Here's are a couple refs re ducks & susceptibility to fungal problems, though I don't think either were the ref I used when I posted the comment While it's true that small amounts of bread in the diet are probably fine though nutritionally questionable, in park settings I think you get a lot of people tossing bread of questionable quality in the water and in volumes that end up 'growing' in already skanky water. There will prob always be those who insist that they fed the ducks as a kid and none of 'em ever died, but the dangers should still be pointed out nonetheless. My 2 —AlphaDog

2005-06-13 12:31:33   Your answers to the music final are making me cause a disturbance in the computer lab they're so funny. —JackHaskel

2005-06-14 13:10:29   yes i knew about un-deleting deleted pages, and i did that with the page, i just wanted to give arlen a little heat, is that so wrong? :) —MichelleAccurso

2005-06-15 01:51:39   ha ha, why thank you! —MichelleAccurso

2005-07-18 14:47:48   conduct != contact —ArlenAbraham

2005-07-18 15:22:31   they learned how to revert! —ES

2005-08-11 12:15:52   wow, I totally called the Ralphus reference on the Didj. page. I didn't realize anyone else has seen Bloodsucking Freaks! —CraigBrozinsky

2005-08-17 11:08:31   I like how that comment sounded. Welcome to the Wookie! That's what we need, a Mascot. —ES

2005-08-19 23:17:28   ron mangun? that's even better than dirk diggler. —ArlenAbraham

2005-08-24 10:27:20   Hi JeffSpeckels-the-not-an-astronaut, Wokky, Evan, *insert moniker of your choice*. You make a good point about inherent weakness of the wiki system with your criticism of Rob's retelling of the infamous G St. Eye Incident. I believe most reasonably intelligent folks take the info in the wiki with a grain of salt, and with that attitude, they realize that stories such as this are open to research and correction. As it happens, in this particular case there probably isn't anything to research, since the incident didn't lead to any arrests on the night of the brawl, or, to my knowledge, at any point thereafter (something I would most likely have heard about, since I worked with “Bouncer X” during that time period). Just for clarification's sake, Rob does have the basic facts right, although the only verification the rest of the world has for it comes from people like myself who were there when it happened. Does a story like this really have to make a police blotter to gain veracity? —BigDave

  • I'm not JeffSpeckels - he seems to have edited his personal page so it looks like I might be him. Rob's a pretty good source, in my opinion. I don't always agree with him, but he's not the type to omit important information. — JabberWokky

2005-08-24 10:28:25   On a totally unrelated subject, you and I look a whole lot alike, like a fair amount of the same stuff, and both play guitar. Perhaps this explains why people keep telling me I have a doppelganger somewhere in Davis. And why I keep getting called Evan. —BigDave

  • Now that's possible - but I have just recently moved to Pennsylvania, so you get the town. Unless I return, in which case we'll share on a road by road basis. ;) —JabberWokky

2005-08-30 18:38:38   re: police misconduct page.. you know this for sure? I was going by the article: "the couple somehow got the impression that an attempt was made to lure the girl to the car. That information was relayed to Davis police officers". Especially if his parents were in the front seats and the ones who tried to talk to her, I don't see why he'd be the one reported. —ES

2005-09-24 23:26:47   What was your favorite White Wolf game? —SharonZimmerman

2005-09-27 13:09:00   Thanks for the Nova episode Jabber — I might even consider adding that to the FUCKing platform. —BrentLaabs

2005-09-27 17:03:16   —all in good fun, of course :) —CarlMcCabe

2005-09-28 11:29:49   Spotted-Americans? I love it! —MichelleAccurso

2005-09-29 22:28:05   Can you look at the Automated Weather Observation System? I think the stuff you put in about the web access needs to be explained a lot better. Thanks. —NickSchmalenberger

2005-10-05 07:29:37   I look forward to the day when wiki authorship is represented by a wider age range. But that will never happen while comments like those on the Senior Citizens page exist. So, thank you for deleting those childish walmart comments and requesting real information. —CarlMcCabe

2005-11-04 17:57:26   there is never *not* a time or place for a frisbee! —ES

2005-11-08 16:11:29   makes sense as a redirect. —ES

2005-11-16 15:54:18   don't both those websites say it IS possible? I only skimmed it but they both said (I think) that it just takes more then 1 person. The 2nd one says it doesn't, but then it counters its possible with a group that's careful/fast. —ES

2005-11-21 20:15:36   Howdy, Mr. That. The idea of a Wiki is that everybody works together to create pages. This page, the Explore page and every other page is a cooperative effort. If you'd let people discuss some of the issues going on rather than deleting their comments and undoing their changes without any conversation, it would probably be a good idea. Edits are cooperative and in order to do that, they really have to be discussed. Nobody is "fucking with [your] edits", they are merely doing the same thing you are doing - editing the pages of the Wiki. Everybody is equal here, which means they are editing, exactly as you are editing (although with different opinions at times). If you disagree with somebody else's edit, the best thing to do is discuss it with them... which is what people have been trying to do with you on this page. — jw —

  • Exactly my point, I couldn't agree with you more. Perhaps I was a bit too harsh with Mr. Neustrom. My apologies. One thing you can be sure of is that it will never happen again. Remorseful Editor

2005-11-30 15:47:24   I noticed you changed my page. I would appreciate it if you would leave my page the way i meant it to be. I was upset that you modified my page in such a way. I wanted the page to be like that, with spelling like that, and without references to Davis Wildlife and "enjoying the public." So if you could leave my page alone, that would be great. thanks —JeromeJohnson

2005-11-30 16:21:05   The anonymous edits were getting out of hand, I thought. Seperation was pretty good, but it looked like there was some discussion wanting to happen (negative comments to the "positive" comments, etc). A talk (eg experiences) page seemed like a logical step, considering the partisan nature of the topic... everyone wants to refute everyone elses experiences and what have you, so I figure when the activity dies down we'll end up with a few worthwhile comments to integrate. If you think leaving the whole mess on the main page is preferable, I will defer to you. Also, I doubt Jerome is really an old black man who attends high school as his IP sugguests.... if he is, oh boy. BALEET. —DomenicSantangelo

2005-11-30 20:59:30   I see you did a lot in the deletion of lame/useless pages. Good call. —JohnDudek

2005-12-02 09:48:15   yeah my page is kinda a joke. But i was planning on making some informative contributions to other people's pages. However, my plans to do that were interupted when my page was deleted. anyway, im gonna put it back, and hopefully add my knowledge to some other pages. —JeromeJohnson

2005-12-03 15:03:27   I used the arlen handle back when i didn't think there would be more than one arlen (my kerberos login is arlen), then i checked the directory and lo and behold, there were two more arlens! it was only a matter of time before one of the other came along and edited something. —ArlenAbraham

2005-12-07 22:09:12   You changed my sentence about the birth control pill as being abortifacient by saying the birth control pill is not abortifacient during "normal usage". Well unless all usage is abnormal, than I believe you are incorrect. I do not know where you get your facts but this website is where I find my facts. One of the effects of the pill is that it thickens the uterine lining and therefore any fertilized egg (a human person in my mind) has a problem with trying to implant. Therefore, in some cases, the human person dies when it cannot implant. Abortion. This is not simply when the pill is misused. The pill does not always prevent the sperm and the egg from meeting. In those cases, abortion can occur and that is while a person is using the birth control pill “normally”. Unless you have a good case against that, I am going to change it back. —ColinWen

2005-12-07 22:20:53   oh man, great photo there! —MichelleAccurso

2005-12-08 16:18:02   Hey - I noticed you are one of the editors of the 0 - 3 at UCD page. Do you know who I could contact about buying one of those black-and-white "Don't Be A Dick" shirts? —NaBarry

2005-12-08 18:25:34   I wouldn't mind taking a look at your underground housing books, if you don't mind sometime. That might make this escapade a little safer. —JohnDudek

2005-12-09 19:54:32   Ok but it is deceptive to say “normal usage” because there is no usage of hormonal birth control where an abortion will absolutely not occur. All “normal usage” has the possibility of an abortion each time there is intercourse even if that is not the purpose. But I understand your point. They can but do not always cause abortions. By the way, the morning after pill can cause an abortion like this abortion website points out. They don't admit that the pill can cause an abortion but they tell you that it can prevent an egg from implanting in the uterine wall like the birth control pill does. For me, an abortion, at least in my book, is the ending of a pregnancy anytime after fertilization. Therefore the morning after pill can cause an abortion. Sorry, not to bring the argument to your page. But can we change the wording “normal usage”? I think simply having potentially abortifacient explains your point clearly. —[Users/"ColinWen"]

2005-12-12 13:18:01   Thanks. First time they're not at 5 am. I've got finals coming up, haha. It's that or study. —ES

2005-12-17 18:37:14   Those comment integration bars are going to end up on every single wiki page. Mine as well just spend the time integrating them IMO. —JackHaskel

2005-12-17 22:44:06   How about making IntegrateComments into a more general "Needs refactoring"? Certain pages (Sam's, Abortion debate, etc) need help, and the graphic is nice! I supposed the main issue is how to phrase this in a concise way. I'll take a stab at it myself later.. —PhilipNeustrom

2005-12-18 01:20:02   The fact that the creator was a nazi-supporter has local relevance in that there are people who live here who might not want to shop at the store because of it. If you want to include the "local news" of the black woman, please link the article without making the link editoriallized. For example, it can say "Local news about IKEA in Sacramento" otherwise I will change it. —SS

2005-12-18 01:32:52   The proposed text is OK. The nazi ties are a little more elaborate than that. I'm not sure which, but one or two of the articles I linked now in the IKEA/Talk page talk about his public friendship to an open and active nazi-supporter. If you included that, I would consider the proposed text alright. —SS

2005-12-18 01:42:43   I don't. The only people making any real problems on the decision are Domenic and Michelle; I've respected their perspective and tried to validate it by revising to what I considered what they wanted. It's obvious that from their continued persistance in changing what I say that they don't want anything but to provoke me. I also don't think it's necessary to wait on putting in the new text. I am going to do it myself. —SS

2005-12-19 11:01:22   Excuse me, but you can't just lock it HIS way. Where is the fairness in that? —SS]

2005-12-19 11:02:34   Nevermind. —SS

2006-01-01 14:24:16   Nobody hacks my account but liquor! And Peter Axt controlling my brain. —MikeIvanov

2006-01-01 21:00:35   ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!! —MatthewKeys

2006-01-13 13:12:43   So why are you reverting my Psychic revert and deleting all their comments? They were funny, cute, non-offensive, non-insulting, and kind of clever. That's why I restored them. It wasn't a war or mean-spirited or such. Explain. —SteveDavison

Likewise, it's hardly worth getting into an argument over and I'm not one to get into a push-and-shove revert war, plus I have great respect for you... True it didn't directly add to the Psychic page, but it was kind of lighthearted, and I enjoyed it. Sometimes things can be off-topic, yet valuable for other reasons. Just look at all of human conversation; people digress into all sorts of "interesting" but obviously off-topic subjects. Yet we permit -and enjoy- these anecdotes anyway. The comments section is appropriate for these. Frankly, I think it's fine for the Wiki to have these little diversions. Newspapers are full of them. The Wiki doesn't have to read like an academic journal -or even an encyclopedia. If it was a long meaningless banter I would feel differently, but about three lines of joking can add some appropriate and desirable levity in right place. That's my overly long discussion on the matter.

2006-01-27 14:47:18   what are you doing with those png's you uploaded? i'm curious —MichelleAccurso

2006-01-27 15:18:13   It must be awards day! Everyone gets a ribbon. :] cute —MichaelGiardina

2006-01-30 16:31:12   I think the mobile homes that are near PC Games are part of Slatters court —MyaBrn

2006-05-20 12:37:05   I am aware of copyright concerns for the wiki, but considering the widespread distribution of the image (and it's globalization pun intended), I believe it is an okay image to "reproduce," especially since it is credited and not for "commercial use". My question is, how do we go about checking for sure if it's okay to use? It is certainly a more appropriate and all-encompassing image than the Virgin Mary photo. —EliseKane

2006-05-20 14:22:05   cool. sounds good. —EliseKane

2006-06-02 19:28:37   From my understanding, 95618 will cover everything south of I-80, as well as everything east of Pole Line. So the map on Zip Codes needs to be fixed. —AndrewChen

2006-06-28 21:02:13   thanks for cleaning up my sloppy mess on the oldenfowl page. i'm moving right now and am trying to keep my wiki editing to a minimum. —ArlenAbraham

2006-07-02 20:03:33   lol. was being more sarcastic than venomous i thought :P. and sorry if i offended, i did mean it lightly albeit sarcastically...and i did provide a link or two. —ES

2006-07-11 09:42:16   The sex image was added by MG along with a long string of other images, all of which did not add to the page and were probably copyrighted by someone else. I resisted deleting them right away because they would be added back immediatley, but over the last few months, I've been removing them as I find them. As for the sex page, I think we'd be better off with a photo of some condoms or something. —ArlenAbraham

—Thanks! Still learning this stuff. :) —CameronMenezes — June 15, 2006 - I just worry that making this page is setting an uncomfortable precedent. Mrs. Daly does not appear to be a public figure of any sort at the moment, therefore I believe she deserves the right to not have biographical pages made about her unless she wishes for it to be. I'm assuming that if she wanted the information Mrs. Bailes has been posting in a central part of a page about herself than she would have put it on her userpage. That said, you do raise a good point about the benefit of helping to show people how the delineation between the two types of person pages works, so I acquiesce on this matter for now. It's just not the kind of thing I'd like to see sitting around on here for too long, if Mrs. Daly doesn't want it to be. —JosephBleckman

I purchased and posted the Davis Enterprise article where I am mentioned on the Sharla Daly page, if you'd like to see it. You can decide it attending a meeting of the HRC qualifies me as a public figure. -SharlaDaly

2006-07-17 15:45:49   Indeed, but I have a bias to have unbiased pages. I don't know how to create order otherwise. —SteveOstrowski

2006-07-17 17:31:44   Yeah, and I thought Belgarion would be a cute name for a hamster. My girlfriend prefers 'Gary' for short. —ES

2006-07-19 20:25:23   Shelly can go back years and years to pull up every accolade, every achievement, every meeting no matter how minor, yet continues to minimize the fact that she resigned from the HRC because she couldn't work in a hostile work environment with people that disagree with her (her own words). I supported my original entry with a quote from the local newspaper. I try to soften it by removing the "alleged unethical behavior" part. Now she's trying to imply that everything was hunky-dory. Last night I verified with three different people that were on the commission at the time that there was a meeting scheduled to discuss removing her has the Chair, but she resigned before it happened. If I have to get agendas, I can try. But the newspaper article alone should substantiate the entry. —SharlaDaly

2006-07-20 09:28:09   Can you take a look at the police misconduct stories page at what I wrote? I didn't like Cameron rewriting Steves comment and leaving the signature (when they couldn't prove they were right), and I thought a comment wasn't a good fit. Tried to change it to a neutral note to show both sides. Legal, but sometimes considered racially motivated. You're pretty good at the whole re-writing to appease everyone thing :) —ES

2006-07-21 01:43:06   Thanks. I'm thinking about doing something similair for the Bay Area page. —CarlosOverstreet

2006-07-21 11:09:51   I didn't know that. Thanks for the heads up. —MatthewLow

2006-07-21 17:49:56   I hadn't read your comment when I revised the membership section and added the SA goon comment. Way to read my mind. —ArlenAbraham

2006-07-22 09:00:09   Will Davis ever get a BBQ joint? —CarlosOverstreet

2006-07-22 14:10:10   Yeah, Ludy's is an awesome place. I love their sandwhiches there. I just wish there was something IN Davis... They have a plethora of ethnic food but nothing I suppose that's "American", not counting Baker's square and Applebees. —CarlosOverstreet

2006-07-25 17:21:30   Its ok, both work fine...just wanted to put the line back in. —JamesSchwab

2006-07-26 20:02:42   Gelato is made with more raw ingredients than ice cream. Ice cream is simply cream, sugar, and whatever flavorings are added to that. The base of gelato uses more ingredients than that.. what exactly, im not sure, but I know that there are more things blended together. Usually there is some sort of emulsifier, like eggs which are also added. I will definitely look into this, because now you have captured my attention! —JulienBiewerElstob

2006-07-27 00:59:55   where'd you get the durian ice cream? —ES

2006-07-30 09:53:01   Thanks for the donation, that photo with the silly hats made me laugh. —ArlenAbraham

2006-08-02 18:52:26   thanks, I didn't know that! much easier lol —JoeRunnels

2006-08-02 23:43:08   That was a very nice surprise today. Thanks JW! —CarlosOverstreet

2006-08-07 17:56:48   Re: Youth for Recovery - yes, that's better. —SharlaDaly

2006-08-10 14:34:28   I'm from Nebraska. I know straw bales. —CarlMcCabe

2006-08-10 17:18:04   Hey JW, the zine is the size of an 8.5"x11" folded in half, so the right size envelope would be a 6"x9" and postage to be safe is about 90 cents. I look forward to it, send a buck to the P.O. Box on the Hysteria page and you'll get a sweet package.—MorganFlores

2006-08-12 09:20:59   haha! Strangely reminiscent of the Dan Quayle debacle. Remember that? potatoes vs. potatos? —CameronMenezes

2006-08-23 10:55:48   I keep seeing a guy with a beard and his GF shopping in the north davis Safeway where I work, I thought it was you, but it must be one of the other guys involved with this wiki... He has a beard... —JoeRunnels

2006-09-01 17:18:42   yeah... it was totally an edit conflict on my end — we were thinking roughly the same thing at the same time. synchronicity. or wikiholism. —BrentLaabs

2006-09-05 12:53:09   the business model for a wiki page had () ...didn't think about removing them —JamesSchwab

2006-09-05 13:14:05   They are both ran by ASUCD...WEF is a break-even unit, while Picnic day is not. Picnic day also gets money from the University. However, ASUCD has hiring and firing power over the directors. —JamesSchwab

2006-09-05 13:15:29 here are links to the budgets —JamesSchwab

2006-09-17 17:28:19   —EfremRensi

2006-09-18 21:52:31   It's amazing what you can create in 5 minutes in mspaint. I use it for all of my icon creation needs. —BrentLaabs

2006-09-26 16:33:01   clutter clutter clutter. —BrentLaabs

2006-09-28 13:32:38   Actually, Wheelworks *does* have the largest inventory of expensive road bikes. It's not a bias when it's factual. —KaiTing

2006-10-05 20:00:05   I realize that yer not a fan of the Name Debate page, but people have suggested that some of the historical info about the Turtle House be extracted from the name debate page, and there is other info on there that pertains to Davis Houses. In particular, I'm thinking of Rob and Sharla's comments. —MorganFlores

Ah, semantics point taken. I'm glad you like the Houses idea. —MorganFlores

2006-10-16 19:34:50   JabberWokky-Let me know when I can change my name back to AdamFlowers. Sorry about the confusion...I am still learning. Thanks for the help! —AdamFlowers

2006-10-16 20:00:59   I think I fixed it. —AdamFlowers

2006-11-07 03:19:19   Thanks for the clarification, JW. There are some Targets in Sacramento (my stomping ground) which have expanded refrigeration sections and grocery selections, but nothing on the scale of what you describe. Sounds a bit intimidatin'. —LeightonHinkley

2006-11-17 08:27:59   if steve ostrowski can get away with being vague as hell, then why can't i? —IanRamsay

2006-11-18 00:16:25   Evan!! I am so glad I was able to find you! I wanted to appologize for the way my mom jumped in on the cast! I never got the chance to do so before I moved and I felt terrible about it! I hope to hear back from you! —JoeSvogar

2006-11-18 16:04:20   How is it useful to say of Yreka "there is little beyond their quaintness to speak of" or of Red Bluff "serves some purpose which has thus far eluded science"? In my opinion that is nothing but mean. —NickSchmalenberger

2006-11-18 16:08:36   you have your opinion... I think it's lighthearted and breaks up the factual stuff so it's no so... dry —CarlosOverstreet

Many thanks for fixing the formating of the text I put on the potholes page today. I have a lot to learn about such basic things as indenting and making italics text! John Lofland

2006-12-09 16:57:00   I am amazed that Alchemy appeared so much before my class was even submitted, long before it was public, and then, the page magically recreated... awesomeness, thanks. —DavePoole

2006-12-13 07:01:48   Lolz, the Friends Acronym looks so bad.... —SteveOstrowski

2006-12-14 11:28:08   (Re:)Yeah thats good. I'm not sure "virtually every other unit" can't be replaced with "every other unit," and/or perhaps the examples I gave of specifc conflicts might be mentioned — but I'm not sure those are the reduction in parsimony. Its a good add in general though and I'm content to at least let it stew for awhile to see if someone else wants to fine-tune it. —KrisFricke

2006-12-14 12:59:37   I didn't realize there was a problem naming the position. In the budget the salaray line item is under the "Student Govenment" budget and the position is named as "Advisor" —JamesSchwab

2006-12-14 13:37:47   I certainly HOPE no one reviews his "pasta." Well, they can do that on their own time. —KrisFricke

2006-12-14 14:59:05   Curse you Jabberwok, so many creations you have beat me to amid my distraction. —DavidPoole

2006-12-14 16:04:46   I'm just curious. You live on the east coast. What is your interest in Davis? —KirkCowgill

  • I lived there for awhile, and Sarah and I hope to return once she's completed her doctorate. Moreover, we have many friends in Davis and Sacramento.

2006-12-14 16:31:33   Thanks for wrapping so much stuff up. A lot of times I'll leave an open ended edit or comment (especially when deleting my part on talk pages) hoping you'll notice it and 2nd the motion to delete, or wrap something up, or whatever it is. —ES

2006-12-14 17:12:55   JW, you rock. You're doing a ton to impove the quality and relevance of the Wiki, and as a fellow user I appreciate it. Don't feel bad about someone leaving in a huff - you're doing a great job, and you have nothing to apologize for. —GrahamFreeman

2006-12-15 13:14:33   Haha, edit-locks no longer exist? Well aren't I ill-informed then. Why'd that decision get made? I think they were only beneficial. Not only preventing conflicting edits, but allowing people to take a little time to cool off if they didn't get it —KrisFricke

2006-12-15 18:08:46   Works every time :P —ES

2006-12-17 15:44:41   JW who has the capability to change my username? —StevenDaubert

2006-12-17 15:55:36   I tried to sign up under that name but the Caps requirements don't allow it ='( —StevenDaubert

2006-12-20 14:12:27   JW please go read my comment of Mr. Allers page so you can get an idea of where I'm coming from. oh and I think you lie about this page being somewhat out of date =3 —StevenDaubert

2007-01-04 08:20:08   I held (and still hold) a different interpretation about the services offered by that business. I didn't follow up on it though, so if you think I'm wrong, feel free to revive it. —CarlMcCabe

2007-01-04 13:26:48   you win JW. <3 for making my discombobulated ramblings make sense —StevenDaubert

2007-01-05 16:36:24   JW wins again. I now know about noborder! Hey Jw, swing by City_Services and give me your thoughts on what do with the quote. —StevenDaubert

2007-01-05 17:42:12   I'll provide a full write-up later, right now, i'm pretty upset and don't want to say something i shouldn't. —ArlenAbraham

2007-01-06 16:10:48   JW can you please tell me how to display a photo from another entry? —StevenDaubert

2007-01-08 15:24:59   Hey there, I didn't actually create the Alpha Epsilon Pi page, so the wording is not my own. But as for the verb "surviving," there used to be several Jewish fraternities that existed in the US, Zeta Beta Tau and Sigma Alpha Mu are two of them. Those fraternities have since become secular, or non faith-based while AEPi is still, at a national level, a Jewish fraternity. —ZakDavis

2007-01-08 16:51:50   Jabber— Many thanks for your unanticipated wiki help with the BirdPath page. —MarkGrote —MarkGrote

2007-01-22 00:02:09   Hi Jabber, I found some material about the usage of the word quaint. An editor at the Baltimore Sun, here: and here: I look forward to your opinion. —NickSchmalenberger

2007-01-28 19:40:10   Hi JW —StevenDaubert

2007-01-29 10:03:56   You've helped on the Pub Live page before, but I uploaded some photos I've taken from Pub Live and I can't figure out how to get them on the page in thumbnail format. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, so if you could help that'd be great. Thanks! —AnneJuliaBaluyot

2007-02-02 05:47:05   I would disagree that the WikiPedia article is more informative because it mostly says "I did it!" from one city and "Me too" from another (sheep), while the Scotsman provides a thoughtful analysis. Also, if you are going to link to WikiPedia, try to use the wiki link. You have said that Daviswiki is not like WikiPedia because it does not require "npov" or objectivity, so I should tell you that I have often found WikiPedia talk pages more informative than their corresponding articles. I think this applies to Daviswiki also with regard to it being a form of communication and not just a Davis reference thing. You might not like to admit it, but Daviswiki is mostly a message board. Its wiki nature allows for it to be fairly well organized and for useful information to be easier to find, but most of the material is message board type stuff.

Which brings me to the issue of "insulting" language in Daviswiki articles. I feel somewhat more justified in insulting things that happen in Davis than other places because that is what Daviswiki is about and it is where I have lived all my life. If somebody can explain to me in detail why flashmobs are good then I am willing to be convinced, but if it is the sort of thing where if you don't already "get it" you are not going to, then I am not going to and will be annoyed. That is my point of view and I edit the wiki as such. When people communicate with me, including arguing, I learn from them and my point of view becomes broader, so I take most opportunities. Thank you for everything I have learned from you and I look forward to learning more in the future. —NickSchmalenberger

2007-02-03 12:48:04   If the whole page had turned bold then the problem would have been more obvious. But I don't think the browser will render the whole page bold when it sees a single strong element inside of a table cell — the browser sort of automatically closes the strong (or any styling) at the end of a table cell (I'm not sure why). Maybe we can keep a stack of open tags when we enter a table and then make sure and close them at the end of a table. —PhilipNeustrom

2007-02-03 14:34:13   I wanted to say thanks for your help, so I wrote a love letter to the wiki. Thanks alot! —JoRo

2007-02-06 09:42:27   Footnoting links is annoying. I don't want to have to go to the bottom of the page to open the link in a new tab, then go back up to keep on reading. The sudden proliferation of anchored footnotes on Wikipedia annoys me to no end and I'd prefer it if that nonsense didn't come here. Footnotes are good in print, but the web isn't print. Hyperlinks rule. I suppose you should just count this as one vote against footnotes. —WilliamLewis

2007-02-06 22:39:32   Are you the guy to ask? I wanted like to know how to post Events to the Event Board or some other appropriate spot. Wanted to post Davis Co-op events and classes — good things to do when you're bored, etc. —JoRo

There's a form to post events at the bottom of the Events Board page — is that what you were wondering? Or do you want to know about something more specific? If you didn't see the event posting form at the bottom of the page: do you think we ought to put a line at the top of the page saying something like "To post events, use the form at the bottom of this page?"

2007-02-07 00:50:47   just stole your code to put a comment box on my site. thanks :) —LeonardMarque

2007-02-07 10:45:53   Bleckman joined Student Focus, and he wanted their yellow to be his color, rather than just the grey/bluish for which term you are. Kinda like how commission chairs have their party colors on the ASUCD Senate page... —MaxMikalonis

2007-02-10 16:48:40   I didn't know for sure, but it was the exact opposite of every other comment, namedropped the manager, had very generic name, points out location of store again, said "the greatest in Northern California," talks trash on a competitior, and uses multile bangs. There are a lot of other sockpuppets i've been meaning to prune, especially the salon pages. —ArlenAbraham

2007-02-11 08:32:45   you inspire me. my comment on the apple page was originally meant to be mildly sarcastic, but you're right that a linux page would be cool here. hopefully others will build on it though, because i'm really not an expert. —CarlMcCabe

2007-02-12 06:09:42   Obfuwhatwhat? :P —ES

2007-02-12 06:22:29   Gasp! This means war! and yeah I already knew what you mean, that sort of sneaky shannigans, for shame! —ES

2007-02-12 06:32:16   Why does Mount Lassen need to be compared to Yellowstone? Iceland has geothermal stuff too, but we aren't comparing it to Iceland. I knew about geothermal things at Mount Lassen and "The Geysers" before I had ever heard of Yellowstone, and I am sure there are people in Europe who know that Iceland has geothermal activity but don't know about Yellowstone. The page presents Lassen as a more convenient alternative to Yellowstone, which in my opinion is not useful, because it is based on an assumption about other people's ignorance. If yellowstone is what people want then they probably want to run over or get run over by buffalo and other things that Lassen doesn't have. They are different places and some similarities that they may have are a coincidence.

A google search for "geothermal area" lists Iceland first, then Nevada, California, Hawaii, New Zealand, and The Azores. Yellowstone is not even in the top ten, so it is not really famous for geothermal things in general. It is more famous for geysers (links two, three, and seven on google), but Lassen does not have any true geysers. So somebody with a typical expectation for Yellowstone (geysers, buffalo) would probably not be interested in Lassen. —NickSchmalenberger

2007-02-12 10:57:20   Speaking of edit obfuscation... when you moved stuff to Wiki/Longview and replied to it in the same edit, you didn't sign your replies so it is hard to see what you said versus what other said that you replied to. The whole thing is generally obfuscated by the movings and renamings. —NickSchmalenberger

2007-02-12 18:25:21   Thanks for the edits to the longview page. I'd like to nominate that edit for Edit of the Year. You turned a series of comments into a well organized page. —JasonAller

2007-02-14 10:07:57   Thanks for the clean up on my Sacramento Forums entry - I've added a Davis forum to the site... —EricKloss

2007-02-14 15:03:48   We can't notice anything if we can't read the page. —BrentLaabs

2007-02-15 00:57:29   Please change the logo back.... Too much pink/red when its no longer V-Day. —MaxMikalonis

2007-02-15 02:12:22   revert the logo already! <3 —StevenDaubert

2007-02-15 04:33:54   Some people just don't like love? ;) Or they just don't want me to ever sleep? —JabberWokky

2007-02-15 09:27:11   Hah hah- I'm blind. Found your comment box —MyaBrn

2007-02-16 00:24:50   Ugh. Sound plus flash. /me hates those websites. —BrentLaabs

2007-02-17 01:34:52   Hi JW —StevenDaubert

2007-02-17 20:50:38   Where did the help page on making table of contents go? I wanted to practice one using the UCD hazmat procedures... —StevenDaubert p.s. I left the hazmat page looking funky and un polished so it would prompt me into fixing it it up, cause the wiki needs good content.

2007-02-18 12:44:04   wait, i don't understand the edit on AlexNorris's page... —MichelleAccurso

2007-02-19 10:20:48   Thanks for the cleanup. Your innovation of the "Have a timestamp" was a very good solution to both the problem of stale pages and linkless ones. —JasonAller

2007-02-22 16:43:18   Thanks for cleaning up the article. Now it looks even better! :D —WaylandLee

2007-02-24 18:00:50   yes i saw a green one in the electric car spot in the parking lot outside of greatwall —MattHh

2007-02-24 20:26:12   it was a xebra. From a distance i thought it was the little green electric car, but then as walked to my car wich was parked next to it, i noticed that it seated at least 2 people. Then on closer inspection noticed it seated 4. I read off the label and looked it up online that day, because it sparked my curiousity. They do look similar though. My guess its gone unoticed as a seperate car for a while. —MattHh

2007-02-27 13:18:38   Oh so that is the source of your sudden realization, congrats. —DavidPoole

2007-02-27 17:34:00   Actually, I didn't think it ("coyoto image") was nice enough which is why I didn't remove the image request... kinda fuzy —WesHardaker

I understand the shuffling around of information for it makes the wiki more useful from the point of view of someone that does not identify as Native American or South Asian. Unfortunately, the grouping of ethnicity and cultures can give the impression that people who identify as those identities are being pushed aside, to be further ignored. The grouping of the orgs does make sense, but the pages with the descriptions and also academic programs (which should not fall under the title organizations) should remain. What do you think? —EricWu

2007-03-02 10:14:25   e-mail me, maybe we can discuss this in venue more apt for converstaion. I will be in napa for a marathon till monday, can we hold off till then? —EricWu

2007-03-02 10:25:03   I am not too sure what you mean by a writeup. What I got from your comment was the use of short small pages that has a description then links to the eth/cult orgs page and demographics page. Again, not sure what you ment, but I would like to see something as I just described so that misc things that do not fit in the orgs page or demograpics page can be added there. —EricWu

2007-03-02 14:07:19   What is upsetting was that people kept deleting the page when barely anyone in the community had a chance to work on it. There really should be something like a one-week grace period where no new pages are deleted until people are able to work on them. I wasn't taking any attacks personally. I was/am peeves about page deletion happening constantly without a chance for people to work on it —JoAnnaRich

2007-03-03 21:09:43   Wow, it's wokky, not wonky... >_< How could I have missed that?! —StevenDaubert

2007-03-04 08:05:55   The state is part of the US, but the food isn't what most people would describe as "American", especially wih the Japanese influences. —ES

2007-03-04 08:32:27   Just an fyi: the "Hawaiian/Japanese" food category wasn't a political statement...both are widely accepted categories of food; Native Hawaiians (Polynesians) have their own unique foods eaten for thousands of years, Asian immigrants to Hawaii developed their own take on their traditional foods over the last 150+ years, and both often fall under the category "Hawaiian." Try some, you'll see! ;) —DukeMcAdow 2007-03-04 08:34:13   I wasn't debating whether it's PART of the US, I was arguing the food category. There's barely anything on the Woodlands Restaurants page so it's rather bare, but I do agree with Luke, Hawaiin food, especially traditional, wouldn't fall under what most people consider to be "American" food, despite it's political/geographic state lines :P And if it were to pop up, I'd likely want Cajun to have it's own category too, it's definitely an established subset, style, and type of food. I love Cajun cuisine. —ES

Heh, I didn't think it was this big a deal. For both of you: I'm fine with a subcategory, and I didn't think it was a political statement. I was merely trying to keep the total number of categories down and limit the number of categories with a single entry. It was layout/readability that made me initially place it into American (with a comment). I'm perfectly happy with splitting out various cuisines, in fact I also considered a "Diner" category for Don's Diner, but instead stuck it into American for the exact same reason I tossed Ono Teriyaki into American: to keep those categories concise (since they each would/are the only entry in that category). If I had added Ludy's now, I likely would have tossed it in there as well. I only "corrected" Edwin's entry because I had already added Ono the day before, and it was listed twice when he added it again. I gave my rationale for placing it where I did, and you both disagreed, which is fine by me. It gets a distinct category.JabberWokky

    • Thanks for the explanation; not a big deal, really, I just misunderstood your deletion of the category and the comment about Hawaii being a state. There has been some recent controversy in Hawaii and Washington DC about the status of Native Hawaiians, and I mistakenly thought it was related to that. — DukeMcAdow
      • Not at all, I wasn't even aware of any controversy. The comment owes more to a comedy skit (Kids in the Hall?) involving somebody insisting that Canada was a state. And Jason is right (hint, hint, to the person who currently lives in Woodland), if Woodland had a full Wiki, there would be plenty of room for a massive restaurants entry and there would be no reason to try and keep it concise. — JabberWokky
  • If only there was a woodland wiki, then they could solve this... We'd be able to have interwiki links and everything. —JasonAller

2007-03-05 20:36:03   Thanks for getting the ["NeedsDavisRelevance icon] better. I knew someone would come along and fix my idea. —BrentLaabs

2007-03-06 11:22:35   Thanks for finding the status of the superfund exhibit. I am a bit dissappointed as I wanted to check it out. —DavidGrundler

2007-03-08 20:13:04   Never did i harbor bad feelings or ill will toward you. I totally understood your intentions, but I also had some cultrual issues that I wanted to bring in to the mix in addition to the streamlineing of the wiki. To tell you the truth, I am not too educated on South Asians in the community, but I felt that it was not right to have the page removed. I am glad that we have reached a compromise now that there is more information on there. In the end, i thought the page needed to be there and need time to grow. hopefully this will be useful in the future; i guess if one person uses it as a resource it would be well worth it. Thanks for your understanding and patience —EricWu

2007-03-09 13:35:44   Hey, JW, thanks for all you do on Davis Wiki. I appreciate your efforts. —GrahamFreeman

2007-03-13 00:37:20   The sock puppet was a pretty obvious attempt to cover up his edits. I was confused by two different JoeLevy's in the recent changes, and I wanted to keep others from being confused. —KarlMogel

2007-03-13 23:07:07   Well one of the points is a requirement, but only once you're accepted, not before. The only reason I know this is because I applied to the program recently. —TusharRawat

2007-03-14 11:05:34   My family buried my Grandpa last month, he died in June. Sad, but we had been expecting it for months before that, and didn't joke much about it. I understand everybody has a different sense of humor though. The reason I made the Death page was because I wanted to link it from Things to Do in Davis in the Davis Visitor's Guide, but I decided that would be in bad taste... —NickSchmalenberger

2007-03-15 13:12:36   thanks, for correcting my freudian typo on the housing guide page :-) —CraigBrozinsky

2007-03-15 14:22:38   yes, i went through hell and back, which i documented on the acadian properties page. —CraigBrozinsky

2007-03-15 15:46:27   Why did you say there are no Venture Scouts in Davis? You could try asking people who might be aware of such things, like DanielGonzales or myself. I'm not involved with it anymore, but I think Daniel is still with my old group. —NickSchmalenberger

2007-03-16 14:19:52   Thanks, JabberWokky. I didn't get permission, since the Ditty Bops and crew are not professional photographers. Here's their contact (management or publicity?): [WWW] I'll make a note on the pic. Also, I'm guessing your SAD stands for Seasonal Affective Disorder. I think mine stands for Social Anxiety Disorder. Still, I'm glad we share disorders with the same acronym. Go SAD's! =) —AliceChoe

2007-03-17 21:36:25   I'll see what I can do. I don't own a digital camera, but I can probably borrow one. The tree is dying now, and is hardly in the condition for climbing that it was when I was ten years old. —NickSchmalenberger

2007-03-20 10:40:38   jw - re: UPS store, yeah, the owner has used sock puppets three times. see the UPS Store (downtown) edit #4, as well as edits 34, 41 & 42 on the original UPS store entry. All different single-use user names. Arlen got one of them, I just removed the rest. Of course, I'm just going on kip's IP, which looks to be static. Maybe he lets other people register and log in to dw at his store so they can add gushing comments? Meh.. —CaptainRush

2007-03-20 12:28:52   Any particular defense you have for deleting my pertinent comment ? —TheTallman

  • The great Jabber Wokky had no need of defenses. —SteveOstrowski
    • And why not? Maybe he should speak for himself. TheTallman
      • I did not delete your comment, I moved the information into the entry. Please examine the edit, and note the edit comment. —jw
        • No offence meant, but I am little confused. I'll just take your word, and say that the way the page is now is fine. TT

2007-03-20 18:10:13   I appreciate your consideration for my no longer invalid last name. It honestly doesn't bother me until I have to do something for legal purposes. Until then, I just find it amusing and yell "Yes I do have a valid name!" at the internet with the hopes that the next time I click enter it says "Yes I agree!" —KirstenOnell

2007-03-22 13:26:50   I don't think that recent changes issue is related so I removed it. It should be fixed after the software update for a couple of reasons, but I'm feeling too sick to explain them :) Keep an eye out after the update. —PhilipNeustrom

2007-03-22 17:31:37   I'm sure you ate there before you know it's pretty much a sandwich :P They're most popular combos are the turkey or chicken ones. Usually served with: lettuce, sauce, some veggies, inside bread. It definitely is much more of a sandwich place than a "middle eastern" place :P —EdWins

2007-03-22 17:32:27   lol! nice link, made me laugh. Never seen that one before. —EdWins

2007-03-22 22:09:24   by the single bread theory, a bun with a still attached top and bottom wouldn't be a sandwich. my intuition said that the outside needed to be leavened which wikipedia seems to agree with. that's bad news for matzah lovers. hmmm... it's comforting to know that my "Matzah Ham & Cheese Sandwich" has now become even more sacrilicious. —CraigBrozinsky

2007-03-24 09:03:52   thanks for the spelling edit. —MattHh

2007-03-26 18:09:49   Thanks for elevating the squirrel picture to the top right hand corner. I really liked that one, but didn't feel right about just sticking it in the corner myself. —JasonAller

2007-03-27 08:43:07   sorry , i didn't look at your spiders change until after i made mine. did i undo what you just did? —CarlMcCabe

2007-03-29 15:35:29   hello —KaiWan

2007-04-02 00:04:57   Reverting April Fools Day stuff: edit_count++. I've finally discovered the real reason for all this stuff. :-P —WilliamLewis

2007-04-02 00:15:50   I saw it all coming, and *did* notice the things pretty quicky (I mean, anyone with a calendar shouldn't be toooo surprised) but I didnt want to say anything and ruin it for others. —EdWins

2007-04-02 16:27:51   *My Hero!* Thanks for the help on the AD page —JanelleAlvstadMattson

2007-04-02 20:17:40   thanks for the comment and revising! —AmyYang

2007-04-02 20:38:43   No, I hadn't noticed that at all! Thanks! :-D —NumiaCairaguas

2007-04-04 12:34:33   Hey Evan, thanks for moving the bugs over to an "Old" page. I agree that we should have a public list of banned people and a discussion about it. I'm not sure what the perfect way to do this is, but for now let's keep a simple page with a list and a discussion (on the same page). How does that sound? —PhilipNeustrom

2007-04-05 09:26:45   niiiiiiice, are you currently in State College? My fiance went there for her undergrad ... and I have a beard now, wear glasses and enjoy wearing black ... let us draw into the discussion more chaotic similarities. —FredBarrett

2007-04-05 10:42:42   thanks for the language correction jabberwok, I apparently write stuff that is pretty painful to read. —DavidPoole

2007-04-05 14:30:16   Can you or phil add a local/area government link to the front page so we can provide an easy way to locate city & county services? —SharlaDaly

Hey Sharla, I'm wondering what link would work best. City Politics is the only real "umbrella" local government page we have, and it's linked right now (written as "Davis Politics") under "Davis Orientation." By the way, we let everyone edit the Front Page, in case you didn't know that already. —PhilipNeustrom

I have the unfortunate trait of being a very fragmented person, especially in terms of speech, thinking, etc. So it seems that I usually write in such a fashion, thanks for all the fix. The bookstore, that is an interesting idea, but essentially it wouldn't work, well not without an extremist student government that was willing to threaten the university (shutting down unitrans would be quite a threat), however, I rather not see that happen. Please, get the plant sciences center renamed, make it something better... I will double check the name tomorrow, just to make sure I have it right this time. ~DavePoole

2007-04-07 19:03:21   Dude, you have a sweet and extremely uniform set of dice. —EdHenn

2007-04-07 19:04:07   One might be tempted to call them ghetto-ass. —EdHenn

2007-04-08 12:57:07   What does N3Ides mean? I guess I should expect meaningless jabber from someone with eyes of flame, who came whiffling through the tulgey wood and burbling and whatnot. —KaiTing

2007-04-08 14:10:46   I've seen the [email protected] construction quite a lot around davis, and I've even seen it used to refer to the [email protected] Studies Department in at least quasi-official media. —BrentLaabs

2007-04-08 14:15:27   On an unrelated note, how did you get the wsr-88d data on Weather? David and I hacked bearvalley's Weather page last night using CSS, but I was wondering if you had something more elegant in ClickWiki. —BrentLaabs

2007-04-09 10:36:54   Just noticing the redirect on the page, you might want to set Davis as your home wiki. In any case, just came to say sorry for all the mess with the Preston business, and to thank you for your support in my edits. Have a nice day Jabber. —DavidPoole

2007-04-09 10:51:53   Ahh.... mouseguests. Ok, I suppose I could see that... change back if you want ;-) (it didn't seem so obvious ealy this morning) —WesHardaker

2007-04-09 15:56:10   I do not mind at all, I had read your post and honestly found it quite thoughtful and thought provoking. It made me kinda down for not being as eloquent and open armed as you and being a bit sidey on this issue. —DavidPoole

2007-04-10 04:12:19   Q. Logo? A. I'm leaving it for 24 hours. I'll reset it tonight. I figure holidays get a day, so should congrats. —JabberWokky

2007-04-10 08:17:20   For some reason, I think there was a Jabberwok behind this. Ah well, it's entertaining. —KaiTing

2007-04-10 21:30:10   Your help on the May 1st Action page is greatly appreciated! Thanks for checking out my photographs, im rather proud of them, but i definetly need to update that site, cuz i have tons of new work. Thanks for the interest! —KatieDavalos

2007-04-12 07:02:07   JabberWokky, I don't see the "two addresses breaks macros" bug in the bug report. Just the one that I filled out for the Valero page. —DavidGrundler

2007-04-19 22:11:04   Hey jw, thanks for the picture comment. It's actually really hard to take a bad close-up of ginkgo leaves. They're just awesome. —EdHenn

2007-04-26 12:15   Thanks for workin' out the EPPC page for me! — jillbenciwoodward

2007-04-30 03:25:42   Unfortunately, you would need two, would you settle for a pince-nez, those are pretty cool too. —DavidPoole

2007-04-30 11:18:28   Thanks for the graphics Sir Jabberwok. —DavidPoole

2007-05-03 15:37:19   Are you sure the server issue was related to those images? It seems to be churning away right now, and there appears to be very little action on the Davis Wiki. —DavidGrundler

Yes, it was related. I can reproduce, though, and so I'll get it fixed soon. The server is doing backup-type stuff right now. Beware of reading sysadmin's graphs! —PhilipNeustrom

Shame on me! Thanks. —DavidGrundler

2007-05-03 17:02:03   I really agree with your assertion that the wiki is a poor place for debate, and I am scared to engage you in argument, proving my point. —PhilipNeustrom

2007-05-04 11:56:13   do you have super hero powers? —KaiWan

  • Nope. Are you offering some? —jw

2007-05-15 12:49:47   Thank you!! —HeatherFlood

2007-05-15 18:58:00   I'm very moved to know that you enjoy the music. Thank you. —BrianAng

2007-05-17 21:01:42   Nope, no idea where I'm going to Grad school at this point. We do have a tradition of "not the same as undergrad" though, so perhaps not Davis. —ScottRitchie

2007-05-24 19:09:35   I removed the video from the Bicycles Rides page because I didn't think it added much to the page and it gave me a headache. Mr. Jim was considering the removal to be vandalism. Sometimes, when you remove an object (like a statue) it's considered vandalism, but sometimes when you remove an object (like an empty soda can) it's considered altruism. The problem is that some people's empty soda cans are other people's statues. Moving to the bottom is good. —KaiTing

2007-05-24 19:31:16   jimc thought removing the video was vandalism. —WilliamLewis

2007-05-28 22:49:41   hey Evan, thanks for the feedback on the bike logo. I'm glad you like it! =D —EliseKane

2007-05-31 22:49:46   Heya, check out my note at the bottom of this page (re: stickers / your brother may know?): Community Discussion. —PhilipNeustrom

Holy wok, the jabber is back. ~Davepoole

2007-06-12 14:03:12   James' edit sucks. There is no reason to leave it. What's the point of including a joke if you deflate it? —WilliamLewis

2007-06-14 00:32:29   Huzza! Great work JW —StevenDaubert

2007-06-14 18:09:39   thanks for the cleanup! —ArlenAbraham

2007-06-15 08:28:16   Oh shit, I knew we were forgetting something, we will have Tequila next time, and you are invited. —DavidPoole

2007-06-15 09:18:39   As a turtle house resident, we still call it the turtle house and so does everyone else. Not sure if that means the controversy is over, but nothing has changed since the debate began. I have also never heard or seen complaints about keeping the name outside of the daviswiki. —JamesSchwab

2007-06-15 09:31:07   I agree, but as a resident I dont want to delete the debate. Someone not involved on either side should probably do it. —JamesSchwab

2007-06-22 09:58:20   You should leave the Summer wiki logo up longer, unless it was specifically just for the solstice. —JamesSchwab

2007-06-28 20:49:30 <-- is the link the tip about macros points to... —StevenDaubert

2007-07-02 11:39:27   Did you see the comment on the bottom of JasonAller? —PhilipNeustrom

2007-08-08 15:52:17   Thanks for the reply and link to the Gnomes Wiki. That looks perfect to answer my questions. —JoRo

2007-08-09 12:48:24   My pleasure. How did you discover that poem? —BrianAng

2007-08-09 16:57:42   No actually I wanted it on the Events Board, perhaps you could help. Can I post this on the events board or do I have to link to an outside photo site (in my case, Picasa)? I've tried many things and not succeeded. —JasonDunne

2007-08-10 12:57:07   Hmmmm thanks. I thought I did this exactly but I guess I was doing something incorrectly. —JasonDunne

2007-08-11 12:41:45   I respectfully disagree with a redirect for E 14th. 14th street is pretty long, and e 14th is known for the schools and the library while west 14th is residential.. They could be separate for sure —StevenDaubert

2007-08-13 14:47:43   Thank you.KevinChin

2007-08-15 09:03:33   Things look very good on Ivan's page! You enlarged his pic better than I could do with "Paint" haha. —JamesSchwab

2007-08-15 10:41:19   *shrug* I do what I can, but some entries I just tag because I'm not in a position to add anything to them. Anyway, I'll try to do more than add seed tags when I come across bare entries from now on. :) —GeoffJohnson

2007-08-16 10:23:45   Thanks, perfect on the ASUCD Controller entry. —PaulHarms

2007-08-16 12:44:26   I don't get the little Aggie managers grid. Why only three positions? Why at all? —ElisaHough

2007-08-17 10:38:34   You using a revert when even I wouldn't has got to be a first for you! :-P —WilliamLewis

2007-08-17 11:50:47   you are correct on steinwand.


2007-08-17 18:57:32   I like what you did with the AAC Chairs! I think for many of the campus and asucd positions there should be 'preceded by' and 'followed by'. :) —StevenLee

2007-08-18 13:15:59   "San" is a ending that intends to show respect to a person, and the name is a horrid americanization. With a name like that, the food can't be good, and when I was in there, it wasn't. —StevenDaubert

2007-08-19 21:45:03   Yikes! Sorry about this... actually, I did not make those changes to the gunrock page. I log into daviswiki using several different computers & I have a habit of forgetting to log out of things. Looking at the IP address of that edit, I conclude that somebody has edited the gunrock content from a computer at work, where I'm still logged in. I totally agree with the wrongness of stealing material from others.. thanks for the heads up! —BenjaminCatabas

Well, WilliamLewis got rid of it saying he didn't want comments from a "troll" - meaning me - on his page. I don't think your mild and patient explanation applies at all. TheTallman

2007-08-24 08:20:41   I would take boring over misleading anyday. Most genitic engineering has nothing to do with taste, often has more to do with hardyness, longevity, disese and pest resistance etc. I still think it should have a reference to genetic engineering, but don't honestly care that much so whatever. —PxlAted

2007-08-24 14:03:31   awesome. —PxlAted

Is the wiki broken?

2007-08-26 20:43:01   Which edit is your most recent comment to me referring to? —WilliamLewis

2007-08-27 23:37:09   There are mistakes in the version you locked to and there was information removed. You're also empowering Steve on his censormonkey crusade. Please reconsider your actions as the current version is rather flawed. —WilliamLewis

  • Work it out on the Talk page with Steve. I'm not going to touch the content from here on out. —JabberWokky

2007-08-30 01:55:23   Given the fact that you know totally rad edit techniques and secret commands unknown to me before now and your general elder statesmen status I will ask you this here rather than on the talk page. Why would you say that archiving something like that is a bad idea? If I had seen something like that when I had come across these concerns I wouldn't have pressed the matter. Like you said there should never be anything hard and fast in this type of things but a step for a hint for a clue that someone could quickly get pointed to when they see things they disagree with would be seem to me at least to be a helpful thing. Wikiethics is maybe a start (I didn't find anything deep enough to satisfy the questions I wanted but still the idea was there) but the discussion pages are incredibly ungainly and hard to follow. If this question gets pulled up often why shouldn't someone who knows what they are talking about create something in the same vein as the real name deal?

Anyway, beyond that I just want to say I meant no disrespect to the people who have put in hard work here.


2007-09-05 23:04:26   Yeah, that's what happens when there's a hot current event to edit! —KarlMogel

2007-09-05 23:41:26   You know, I do need to pee... —KarlMogel

2007-09-05 23:54:15   10 minutes is not long enough :P —EdWins

2007-09-06 15:40:20   wait, you're in Trekkies II? I didn't even know they made another Trekkies documentary! —AmyLee

2007-09-07 17:45:22   Are you sure they're roommates? Maybe they just moved in together, because the IP addresses going back for months do not match up. Until Today. —KarlMogel

2007-09-07 17:53:28   I would like to have my Empire Nation page unlocked so as to add the most recent show to it as a link. That would be very satisfactory for me. Also, I am going to need to have the SFL page unlocked before the month is over as there will be updates within that mouth. If that could be done that would be great. —SteveOstrowski

2007-09-07 18:03:32   OK, it makes sense with Moving Day being one week ago in Davis. I'm already forgetting this stuff - the equivalent day in Madison is Aug 14/15! —KarlMogel

2007-09-07 23:02:17   I'm prettttty sure they're not roommates (Him and Gabe). Pretty positive, to be honest. SO lives with Ronald Payne. —EdWins

  • Yup. Ronald, Alexander, Gabe, Steven and guy who no one knows. So saith complete and utter rumor. This might be a new living arrangement, or could be completely wrong. I don't really care much, but I'd heard before this all happened (before Gabe posted to the SfL entry) something about them being roommates or were going to be. Again, I have no certainty, so you could well be right. Nor does it terribly much matter, unless you are implying that Gabe doesn't exist. -jw

2007-09-07 23:24:57   I'm also pretty positive Gabe exists :P I suppose someone could simply have asked. But if they were roommates, then the whole "I can't believe Steve took it this far thing" would be pretty completely out of the blue. As it is, I used to read Steves blog, and there's Ron is mentioned multiple times, originally a roommate found in AIM. Big surprise that Ron was a big part of Steve's ASUCD stuff, since he ran for senate. I can't really imagine Steve and Gabe as roommates with all that kind of stuff (despite his love for secrets, the "political use" is just too high to stealth it), and again, pretty sure the rumor is false. I suppose it's possible one could simply ask, though I don't know where this even came from (just saw a comment on Karls saying they are roommates). —EdWins

  • The map in the background is mine in my room and the date of the video is April 14, 2007. —SteveOstrowski

2007-09-09 17:06:46   I would pay good money to see that fight. I think most people would. I say that we actually put some superglue inside the gloves. Can't type and revert wearing those things! It'd solve everyones problems. —EdWins

2007-09-11 12:57:50   I dont mind if that part of the warning is removed, I only know reactionary political science logic, not real scientific logic LOL. Sort of a Klingon versus Vulcan ;) —JamesSchwab

  • It makes sense to warn people, it is specifically the assertion that "what is bad for a developing fetus is bad (or as bad) for a grown human" that I don't like. Plenty of medications are fine for adults, plenty of diseases are really minor to adults, and plenty of recreational drugs are fine for adults. But there are medications that aren't even supposed to be handled by women who might be pregnant, some minor diseases have profound effects on developing fetuses, and picture a very pregnant woman passed out on a couch after playing Edward 40 hands. Not quite the same thing as a healthy non-pregnant adult in the same position, eh? It's not the "mercury is bad" part that I don't like, but rather the idea that adults and developing fetuses have the same medical needs and concerns. It's just a sloppy assumption. — JabberWokky

2007-09-24 12:43:50   Calling our involvement in Iraq “imperialism” isn't controversial. if I had written "US genocide in Iraq" it would be more true, more relevant and yet also more controversial. Your version is acceptable, just super vague. —PxlAted

2007-09-26 12:32:55   Steve O's roomate's name is Ronald Payne....but he already has a user name by that. —JamesSchwab

2007-09-26 12:46:53   Ya, my first too thoughts were his roomate or that the cheezy kid bootcamp movie starring Damon Wayans from the early 90's is really into ASUCD. —JamesSchwab

2007-09-26 12:58:07   Ah, okay. They're all branches of the Student Recruitment and Retention Center. They mostly serve undergraduate students (except for GAAAP), but a few branches also tutor younger students in Davis, sometimes Woodland. I'm more familiar with Yik'al Kuyum, but I'll try to add content for the rest, too. —NumiaCairaguas

2007-09-26 14:07:49   The groups under the SRRC are not necessarily student organizations. They are funded by Academic Preparation money which use to be called Studet Initiated Outreach, which was created after the elimination of affirmative action. Basically the groups are funded by the Univeristy and a bit by ASUCD to recruit students from underserved communities and to promote rentention through various tutoring and mentorship programs. So while they are student run, they are beholden to the Universities purse and policy. —JamesSchwab

2007-09-26 17:37:26   wow you're a really good gnome. also, I had some questions about whether a page is a good page for the wiki or not. examples might be pet animal pages or non user non notable person pages. could you tell me or direct me to something about that issue? —PxlAted

2007-09-26 20:00:40   Thanks, JW. I wanted to compose some copy for the page. Then my mom called, you know how that goes. Will save down some changes here shortly though. —jefftolentino

2007-09-26 20:59:54   Thanks. I'm realizing that every bridge and every tunnel has its own unique character. Tried to reflect that a little. :) —jefftolentino

2007-09-27 10:42:35   yup, works for me —KarlMogel

2007-10-02 14:44:40   the security report was sent via e-mail to everyone so i thought it was public information. is this not the case? —JessicaRockwell

2007-10-03 19:36:39   What *is* an egg mit? I keep wanting to say, "egg mit what?" —CovertProfessor

  • Breakfast sandwiches at Noah's Bagels.-ES
    • Yeah, I got that, but why the "mits"? (sorry, jw, to carry on this conversation on your page, but you'd remarked about it, and now I am curious). —CovertProfessor
      • My guess is it's a Jewish thing, maybe something in Yiddish? That, or less likely, a New York thing. Somewhere in the roots.-ES
        • Yeah, it means "with" in Yiddish — thus my comment above: "Egg mit what?" = "Egg with what?" In other words, they're calling these things "Egg with" — wtf does that mean? what is the egg with? and where does the 's' on the end of 'mit' come from? But I'm sure it's supposed to be Yiddish; Noah's loves to (pretend to) do the Yiddish/NY thing. —CovertProfessor
          • I've lived in South Florida for years, worked in Boca Raton for years, spent months in Manhattan (my employer at the time's parent company was there), and I dated a woman for quite awhile whose mother taught Yiddish at a synagogue. I have never heard of "Egg Mits", nor seen one. Wolfie Cohen never had it on his menus (that I know of). ... BUT... as I type this, the possible answer occurs to me: I think it might be Egg mit Bagel? The odd suffix is because of a pluralization of the casual term that had dropped the "bagel" part of the name. It does strike as odd, however, and Noah's is the only place that seems to use the phrase quite like that. —JabberWokky
            • Ah, yes, that makes sense, and explains how there can be a "plain" egg mit, which seemed like a contradiction in terms. No more contradictory than the "Egg Mit Turkey Sausage & Cheese" though... —CovertProfessor

2007-10-04 15:37:24   I was thinking to create a page on wikispot tracking the migration of city wikis. Like how local wikis sprang up from Davis, but then when people moved farther away, such as myself, they started wikis in those cities. Years down the road, people will be moving out of Madison to, I don't know, Skokie Illinois and start a wiki there. Might be interesting after a while, like a family tree of wikispot wikis. I was reminded of this by your comment about the wiki phone number cards. —KarlMogel

2007-10-05 11:20:00   Thanks for the tip —KarlMogel

2007-10-05 11:21:40   Sorry to hear about the honeymoon bug! If you guys do come out to Ithaca, seriously, let me know. We'll meet up for dinner or something and give you some insight on what to check out while you're here. —JanelleAlvstadMattson

2007-10-08 12:40:57   I spillllllllled water on my digital camera last weekend, if it reboots, I'll take a picture of the fish head wiki sign and upload it. otherwise, you'll just have to borrow it when you table. :) —PxlAted

2007-10-09 13:25:26   Yeah I did - thanks. —KarlMogel

2007-10-07 19:23:18   Thanks for helping me edit! I've mastered the asterisk bullet point thing, I'll eventually learn how to edit more! haha :) —AmyLee

2007-10-09 02:43:19   Uh, I haver been here 5 years. Hello. —DavisLurker

2007-10-09 06:43:21   Ya I will ad info as I get it. I'm that involed anymore, although I'm still on the listserv so I have vague ideas about whats going on. I'll put up more specifics when they come my way. —

2007-10-09 17:30:23   Wouldn't you want to make David's ppublic page the candidate page? —JamesSchwab

2007-10-12 09:02:00   I agreed with Jessica that id didn't quite seem like the work of CCCC. Just because it says it's from them doesn't mean it's true. that's all. —PxlAted

2007-10-13 02:04:05   why are you editing the GO page? —EricFriedman

2007-10-14 23:27:58   Perfect!CovertProfessor

2007-10-17 11:47:20   -3 pun. Nicely done and subtle, but definitely a forehead slapper. —EdWins

2007-10-24 19:39:28   Thanks for your gracious comment and explanation. If I actually placed one of the photos in question on the page I'm afraid it might give folks grounds to take legal action. I hope that by simply linking to an otherwise copyrighted photo I won't get into trouble. (Not that any of the parties in question would let me take their photo, anyway! :-) ) —RichLindvall

2007-10-26 11:23:55   wtf...... WTF?!?!???! —WilliamLewis

2007-10-30 12:05:34   nice logo. —PxlAted

2007-11-01 08:23:21   But... Greg is *in* the group. (Yes, he's obviously teasing and it's semantics, but I thought saying "their" game was funny). —EdWins

2007-11-02 20:26:15   Thank you for your positive comment on the "Recovering From Spiritual Abuse" page. I may take you up on your suggestion to start a Wiki with that topic. As the saying goes "run it up a flagpole and see if anybody salutes!" I appreciate your involvement with Davis Wiki, even from far away Pennsylvania! Go Nittany Lions!!! —RichLindvall

2007-11-04 15:40:44   very interesting... Another awesome peeve NIC card

<3 —StevenDaubert

2007-11-08 20:10:56   "Delightfully unexpected" What a great phrase! Sounds downright "serendipitous!" When we left Davis we were searching for a similar non-freezing climate, except in the northwest. Narrowed it down to Corvallis or the Palouse. We ended up in Corvallis since it was only a day's U-Haul drive away, and the climate is milder. Still, the Palouse is intriguing—with two major universities only 8 miles apart (WSU & U of I)and the nearest freeway some 50 miles away! If I had another life to live I think I'd like to live in Moscow, Idaho. (Home of the U of I "Vandals"—isn't that a great mascot!?) Thanks again for your encouragement from far off Pennsylvania! —RichLindvall

2007-11-11 11:14:38   The Dennys stopped allowing studying in 1999, and shortly thereafter, it closed. —FeralFeline

2007-11-11 18:11:00   Nice addition (the birch one..) I just saw that randomly earlier and had a good chuckle. —EdWins

2007-11-14 15:53:41   I get it. I was confused because I rarely view the wiki unauthenticated and missed the benefit of the macro since to me it appeared plain as day email in the browser which I know spam bots can read. Thanks. —AlexMandel

2007-11-14 18:06:48   I could study for my GRE, or I could go around replacing all the seeds with an alternate version.

Uhh...somebody should do something here. Or not, whatever. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the DavisWiki? Just click the "Edit" button.

What to do, what to do. mwhaha. —EdWins

2007-11-17 21:55:53   Thank you very much for your kind words. My name is Ariane, please call me Aree ("arrrrr-"e"). —ArianeMetz

2007-11-20 22:00:08   It seemed inconsistent without the redirect. There were links to the original page, as well as the "users" version, and everyone else has theirs redirect appropriately. Maybe Tim got missed in the build release that set everyone's page to redirect to the users one? —PaulAmnuaypayoat

2007-11-21 12:35:08   Thank you for your input on the matter. Apparently some other people would prefer to start a war rather than pass along 1 comment's worth of information. —PaulAmnuaypayoat

2007-11-22 12:01:14   Where's the thanksgiving logo? —JamesSchwab

2007-11-23 22:05:27   Jabber,

The information contained on a website that has information about me must be subject to my review. This is not a newspaper. The editors of the wiki are not trained journalists, but rather members of the public. I have not been interviwed by anyone editing my wiki page. What if someone from the Sac Bee published a story about me, without interviewing me, misquoting me, and misrepresenting me? In the real world, this reporter would be subject to a lawsuit!

The issue is that my personal page comes up under a google search, and it is available for anyone in the world to see. So, since this website is about me, don't you think that I should be able to edit a website that is exclusively devoted to me and activities I am involved in?

This is nuts. I obviously can't control what others do, but in my mind this is an abuse of wiki priveldges. Is it any wonder why the real wikipedia doesn't allow anyone to just edit a page however they see fit? Thus, they are a relatively credible source.

Anyway, if people insist on changing my page, then I will insist that the page be taken down. —EricFriedman

2007-11-23 23:01:51   Jabber,

I would argue that I'm not a "public figure" insofar that I do not hold a public office (please see my brief in ASUCD Court Case 42-43-44.

But, that's not the issue. I've already told you that a page that is ABOUT ME should be subject to my review! Please let me know who designated the "two page policy," one for the public to edit, and one personal page. There is no difference between the two. Both are pages about a specific user.

If James Schwabs or anyone else for that matter wants to create a page called "My view on Eric Friedman," interviews me and doesn't contain any slanderous material, I would not object.

You belive that anyone who runs for an elected office is subject to public scrutiny? I do as well, and believe me, I have recieved a lot. But, this does mean that I am subject to censorship! If James Schwab wants to make comments about the page in the comments section, I think that is acceptable.

This is really insane. Who is the webmaster of the wiki? Please let me know who is in charge of this so I can discuss this matter with him or her. —EricFriedman

2007-11-23 23:57:43   Thx. I get a little protective about local businesses, so it's good to have feedback. If that person had a user page, signed his/her name, etc., I suppose it wouldn't be unreasonable to put an entry about another theater at the Varsity page. But it just looked like a drive-by posting as it was. —DonShor

2007-11-24 00:27:55   Mr. Edwards,

Thank you for taking the time to explain to me the way the wiki works.

Now, let me tell you the way I work. I am not community property. No one owns me but me. The page that is about me is my property. There is no other way to look to at it. Under your reasoning, becasue I hold an elected office in the UC Davis student government, it is OK for people to slander my name? This is ludicrous. I am getting fed up with this.

I completely disagree with the Wiki's philosophy and I want nothing to do with the wiki community.

I will be deleting my page. Do not recreate it. Or is this against the wiki principles? I do not want to be a part of the wiki if I am subject to slander and harrassment. Does that make sense? Do you understand?


2007-11-24 15:52:38   Jabber,

Why do you keep on comparing the Wiki to a newspaper? The Wiki and Newspapers are not the same at all.

Newspapers have journalists that do investigative work, that research articles. While some entries on the Wiki live up to this standard (mostly business entries), many entries about individuals or ASUCD politics do not. Please show me how a website that allows anyone who signs up to edit entries is analagous to a newspaper? Newspapers HIRE their staff and editors. They allow people to submit commentary, but all commentary is subject to the editors review. Maybe, you could make a claim that the wiki is analagous to the National Enquirer. That would be the closest connection I would see.

No one at the wiki clears posts. What if someone posts something wrong? You would say that other editors would catch it, right? But, what if no one else knows if a piece of information is accurate?

Previously, someone posted an entry on my page that was just not true. How can I guard against random people posting slanderous material on my page? I'm not going to be roaming the wiki 24 hours a day. And, who do I have to compain to? No one. "The community?" Well, "the community" is mostly composed of my rivals in student government!

Do you see my point? Do you see the inequity that occurs here?

Your camparison of the wiki to a newspaper is seriously flawed and the philosophy of the wiki is seriously flawed as well.

So, I will continue to keep my account and I will continue to delete my page whenever I log on. This is the only solution I can see under these circumstances. —EricFriedman

The comparison to the newspaper is to highlight the fact that you can't just demand that someone change something they wrote against you. The analogy is a bad one because of all the "journalistic standards" are confusing you. -wl

2007-11-26 21:42:40   Automatic vectorization rocks! —PhilipNeustrom

2007-11-28 11:17:00   I would love it if someone could help us figure out how. The problem is two David's at David's Haircutting. We keep getting each others new clients! No matter what I do they can't seem to figure out the two different last names... —Davidlm

2007-11-30 16:26:16   thanks for restructuring the sams page. I always like when you edit after me, always better wordered and more organized. thanks. —PxlAted

2007-12-02 07:01:22   Was it Norwegian bull kelp? I hear that's the quality stuff. —KellyCorcoran

2007-12-02 21:23:30   I don't know what he wanted, he just emailed me asking me to take down his entries. I would assume it has to do with the story. —JamesSchwab

2007-12-02 23:53:29   "five meese in a huge custom built mouse cage." — pictures and info please! Tempted to build my own little guys a nicer home. —EdWins

2007-12-06 20:58:18   what are you doing? I was cleaning the page up? Revert to the last version. I modified my comments under the court heading. —EricFriedman

2007-12-07 20:28:33   Oh my god, how long have you been waiting for someone to mention a reuben sandwich?? :-) —CovertProfessor

2007-12-14 19:40:06   I honor your status as the Link Master. Before you stands a page of text and in your eyes the possibilities are seen and with your fingers they are made real. No unlinkable page can stand before your ability. —JasonAller

  • *bows* I am awed by this linkage. ~Dave

2007-12-15 10:33:33   I couldn't find any info either and I didn't live in Davis at the time. It does seem suspicious that the claims are changing and becoming more extreme. Mike Curro is listed as the owner of Signature Theaters LLC on so at least that much is true. —ElleWeber

2007-12-15 17:23:25   Were you testing out my comment box for me? How thoughtful. —MattStauffer

2007-12-18 11:12:12   How should we deal with the advertisements the apartment complexes put on their pages? I added "announcement form management", but wasn't sure what else. —JamesSchwab

  • I'd kick the question to the Wiki Community. Personally, I work with the acid test of "is it helpful to the community", which makes sense for menus and specials on restaurants, and would probably apply to any open house or similar announcement. The entry for Tandemonium is quite "salesy" right now, but that's to be expected with only one editor so far having poked at it. I'm going to give them serious credit for having included the link back to the Housing Guide and Apartments entry. The difference between information about deals and spam is pretty much if there's input from everybody and it's presented as an option alongside others versus hyperbole one-way "we are your only solution" information with no allowance for everybody (customers, mostly) to add their input. So far, the person editing under AdobeManagement seems to be pro-business but not anti-customer (leaving reviews in place, keeping links to competitors). A pro-business and pro-customer (and pro-anybody else) policy seems to be the best way to serve all the parts of the Davis community. (IMO, etc etc... this really should go to Wiki Community) —jw
    • Thanks. I couldn't remember if this discussion had already taken place. -JS

2007-12-21 21:46:16   Thanks for adding the single user on the crazy comment on the smooth as silk page. You're a sweetie. —Stellaforbes

2007-12-25 07:58:39   I'm happy you loved Chico's decorated tree! Thanks! Have a terrific Christmas! —RyanMikulovsky

2007-12-27 08:25:22   Yes that is true, i didn't make it clear in the post. Sweet onions can be somewhat less strong when raw though, but its a crap shoot whenever you serve a raw onion. Thats why i always taste it before i decide how im going to use the onion in a salad. —MattHh

2007-12-29 14:43:28   Thanks for teaching me a bit about the site. If I seem a bit sensitive, it's because he is my brother and I love him very much. I have watched people tease him our whole lives and have little patience for it. So I will try to correct or respond in kind to any misconception that anyone might have. He is an incredible person. You should take the time someday and shake his hand. I appreciate your patience and helpfulness. Here's to a peaceful and happy new year. Thanks, Mike Waltz —gager

2007-12-31 13:28:51   Are you sure there aren't animated PNGs? How then does HimySyed upload all his animated tinylogos? —PhilipNeustrom

  • They are gif files that were uploaded before the new feature that tests the filetype and corrects the extension. Download one and run file: tinylogo.png: GIF image data, version 89a, 16 x 16. There are a few proposed animated PNG formats (like APNG), but the MNG format is the official and most adopted solution, but it only has very light browser support (where PNG was a few years ago). It wouldn't help in this case anyway, as it has a different mimetype and file extension so it would presumably be renamed as well (and wouldn't work in most browsers anyway). Basically, unless there are other Konqueror users, I'd be the only one to be able to see it (although KDE4 will run on OSX and Windows, I'm not expecting a huge expansion in users overnight). Mozilla removed support for MNG due to lack of real world use. APNG was checked into Mozilla 3, but has since been officially rejected by the PNG working group, and it looks like it too will be removed. libpng and libmng obviously support them, but browsers... not so much. Basically, for animation, .gif is the only real world web solution (outside of things like flash and dhtml, obviously). It has a tainted history, but is completely free now. Unix itself came out of the biggest, nastiest monopoly around, but BSD and Linux aren't tainted by their heritage... .gif probably deserves more respect than it gets for the niche it fills (at least now that it is patent free). In a bizarre little twist, I had a dream about .gif last night. Yeah, my REM rolls like that. —JabberWokky
  • Just double checked: Comparison of Web Browsers. Konqueror is the only listed that supports any of the animated PNG formats. —jw

2008-01-05 20:21:21   I think people are refreshing the page and ignoring the POST warning. This might be happening so frequently on this page because the people are new to editing and they want up-to-date information so their instinct is to refresh. We could fix it by doing a redirect after the post. —PhilipNeustrom

2008-01-08 00:58:50   which of my edits was your note about? —DonShor

2008-01-08 10:08:56   LOL! I was sitting there thinking, 'why would he care what I wrote about Davis Nursery?' Ok: I think snarky comments about how bad their expresso is, how bad their cappuccino is, and how all Davis coffee shops serve bad expresso, are clearly a 'comment'— not an objective or even reasonable description of Mishka's. IMO it belongs in comments. I do have an aversion to unfounded negative comments about local businesses, as they have a tendency to affect the local business. In the comments section, the next person can simply refute it. I suppose I could have gone in and edited the text to say 'no, their expresso is great, and so is the expresso at other coffee shops in Davis', but I think you can see how that would be less effective. If she has an opinion about the place, she can write a comment as everyone else does. —DonShor

2008-01-08 13:08:07   Hey, how do you look at the edits by a user who has a user page? e.g., Shelly? —DonShor

2008-01-08 17:51:44   Does the Orphaned Pages not pick up on links in the information bar at the top? I found Hanover Drive in the Orphaned Pages list but when I went to link it to Hanover Place Apartments (which is located on Hanover Drive) there was already a link there. But when I went back to the Hanover Drive page, it said that nothing linked there. Can you explain that to me? Is it because of the mapping macro? Is there anyway around that?

(Ha, now that I've written you this comment, I have effectively linked Hanover Drive from somewhere) —ElleWeber

2008-01-09 13:41:07   When I went to see what linked to the Hanover Drive page, the information said it was an orphan. But there is now a link to Hanover Drive from both Hanover Place Apartments and Anderson Place Apartments within the Address() macros, the latter of which you added. But when I visit the links information for Hanover Drive it still says the only place that links there is your page, from the comment I left yesterday (and now this one). I'm thinking that it can't pick up links within the Address macro, and decides the page is an orphan when it isn't.

Oh, and thanks :) —ElleWeber

2008-01-09 19:56:59   Thanks for renaming Main Street Market — I actually don't know how to do that. So I left it after I saw the mistake :-\ —ChristopherMckenzie

2008-01-13 17:53:54   See my reply on my page. —SteveDavison

2008-01-16 17:05:11   What is this? I didn't know Dr. Drew was going daytime. . .where can I find this? I have a lot of respect for him and find that he gives sound advice. —CurlyGirl26

2008-01-16 17:07:23   Oh and re: my pseudonym. It is just a quirky name I made up, but the reason I use it is due to safety reasons. I found myself in a scary situation so for now, I am keeping a low profile. I thought this would be a way for me to participate on Davis wiki. —CurlyGirl26

2008-01-16 19:16:01   Re: redirects and (sort of) what TimQuick commented on, when a redirect links to a redirect, the second redirect doesn't occur (eg. with EC Garden). Is there anyway to fix that? Or do we just have to go through and fix the original link? —ElleWeber

2008-01-16 19:21:21   Never mind. I saw what JasonAller did and I guess you just fix the first redirect to link to the correct site. —ElleWeber

2008-01-23 08:45:47   I was waiting to consult "Beard on Pasta" before reintroducing the paragraph :-) —CraigBrozinsky

2008-01-26 14:12:15   Well, that makes some sense. but I think duplication should be avoided... It would be better to combine the related material and have two separate pages for two separate topics rather than one that overlaps the other. IMHO, of course. —WesHardaker

2008-02-07 18:50:04   I humbly demand more information about Dr. Drews radio show —StevenDaubert

2008-02-16 19:51:06   Sure, actually. I'm talking to a guy at, and he's giving me some useful tips, and helping me get set up for syndication. Send me an email and let's talk about radio! —KarlMogel

2008-02-20 22:46:15   Thanks for the ban on LPE, he was writing some pretty messed up things. —EliYani

2008-02-24 03:19:31   i notice that you restore deleted comments on wiki pages. how do you monitar so many different pages? i also notice that you are not the only one who does that. i just want to say that i am very grateful for those of you who put in the effort and time to make this a fair and honest medium for information exchange. —ChingChing

2008-02-24 03:19:31   A while ago I asked in the FAQ if it was possible to include video in an article. I had specifically asked of it would be possible to use my own HTML code because that's what I do on my web site. Obviously it would be a security big issue. I thought about it more, and I think the method I describe below would work and could be interesting.

Vidiac offers a package that let's you upload video in pretty much the YouTube manner (Vidiac predates YouTube) but with better video quality. If a Vidiac-based site was set up for a community (rather than national) then locals could upload video, and using's method, they could insert a [video][/video]-type command to embed the video. (For details: Wiki would have to write the [video][/video] routines, but I'm sure StreetFire would help. (I've mentioned this to them.) Anyway, for the authors of articles it's easy, and there'd be no security issues.

A local-oriented video-hosting service itself would be a good thing. It would offer a place to upload content that is only of local interest, perhaps not even something that we would ever post on youtube. If kids uploading things they want to show their friends is a concern, then more than likely they'd rather put it on youtube. A local Vidiac site would be a place to host videos of things like city council meetings, high school sports, Davis Community cable productions, school plays, UCD videos, and of course videos that wiki authors would want to put in their articles. —m610, Mike Meier

2008-02-25 07:35:09   re medical services, 1. they're the only thing on the list not in davis. 2 the 12 step programs are a total scam that don't work any better than any other program, AND the fact that the prison industrial complex is pimping this religious shit makes it even more offensive. also, please don't delete my references to god, it's important. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it shouldn't be there. —PxlAted

2008-02-25 08:03:50   compromise? —PxlAted

2008-02-25 08:31:21   as always, you're the gnome with the plan and a good compromise up his sleeve. works for me. —PxlAted

2008-02-25 15:40:01   I love it! You have to share the results of your little experiment. btw. . .I've been looking for Dr. Drew on the am dial, but I can 't find him! I read somewhere that he's on 1260 from 11-1pm. Do you know where he is? I may be getting too old to listen to Loveline! —CurlyGirl26

—— The 11th Tradition doesn't preclude informational broadcasts. unstoner

2008-02-26 00:47:31   Hi, my hometown of Milpitas has a wiki, but it has said that it is under construction with no signs of any progress at all, for a while. Some friends and I would like to start making it into a real page, and we were wondering how to best start on this. Any help you could give would be much appreciated, thanks. —EliYani

2008-02-27 00:15:50   Thanks for the link! I love Dr. Drew's am show! The format is great and delves deeper into the topics discussed. —CurlyGirl26

2008-02-28 22:56:41   Methinks that the Willows Management really does not like that (perfectly accurate and representative) picture of The Willows that they keep deleting in favor of their apartment logo. —IDoNotExist

2008-02-29 07:12:24   The picture sure looks accurate to me... definitely not out of date. —IDoNotExist

2008-03-03 14:54:50   Not to be a huge noob or anything, but how do I archive comments/info.? Do I need to create the page and then just copy & paste?

Thanks —AndrewBianchi

2008-03-03 20:32:47   it's common slang in finance to purchase money for the == amount, so if I purchase 2 2 dollars bills for 4 dollars, sure we just traded, but they call it buying...

anyways, enjoy my discombobulated comment that has no frame of reference, and have a pleasant day —StevenDaubert

2008-03-03 23:11:47  

(11:09:42 PM) PatheticalPanic: considering it shouldn't take much time for a programmer to add, it is just that I don't know python
(11:09:48 PM) JabberWokky: Easiest way is to program it.
(11:09:54 PM) PatheticalPanic: ..
(11:10:10 PM) ***PatheticalPanic is mystified by jabberwok.
I just had to include this on your page :P —DavidPoole
  • I defend myself by pointing out that I had typed the reply before you said your previous line, and hit enter before I read it. Darn IRC lag... :)

2008-03-04 14:50:38   hehEdWins

Not sure how you came to the "poop" conclusion, especially if you had looked at the comment made for the edit(s). The problem with (rather, for) the Unitarian church is that the Ge0cities page wrongly list the Unitarian church as the site of a MA meeting. If the church name is spelled correctly on Wikidavis, the already too high relevance of that site to the church and MA is greater on search engine results pages (SERPs), when I'm trying to decrease the visibility the Ge0cities page. The church would also like the site to go away. unstoner

First, I'm throwing around "poop" (and no apology offered when objection made), then I'm now spreading some unspecified "lie" with unspecified "spam". Can't be sure of what is being insinuated. Good correct info can't be a lie or spam. Enough of the whine. I made edits made convoluted meet by odd restrictions and even odder and off-the-mark rationals. Silly as it seems, changing Wikidavis's policy is not worth the effort and, I hope, will be unneeded. unstoner

Nothing misleading or dishonest was attempted and no "fake information" was added. By having the correct data and links on Wikidavis, the harm can be mitigated and possibly reversed while serving the community well. Moreover, the benefit to the site user is the first concern in all of this. The search engine issues are secondary, though legitimate, concerns. Nonetheless, I've complied and made edits to meet curious sensibilities apparently more concerned with form than substance. I still have no idea what "Let's not poop on neighbors" means and the humor is hard to fathom. "If I took offense" is not at issue, I did take offense, and was clear about it. I'll note that the still vague and broad accusation of posting lies and spam on Wikidavis has not been retracted. This makes the attempted "humble" apology hard to accept and appearing to be neither.

Apology and retraction accepted and since the content as it is serves good purposes - already reflected in SERPs , I'll consider everything else is resolved and the civil disagreements about SEO are now unimportant. unstoner

2008-03-07 09:10:37   Yeah, I should have... I was just muddling my way through it. :) I'll go back and fix them. —ElleWeber

The yes or no question presumes a lot - such as I am "manipulating" SERPs, in a way that can do damage and the needs of the site user is diregarded and thwarted. On obscure search terms search engines will draw and associate keywords from URLs becuase they are not finding them in more visible locations. Consequently, to have Geo* spelled out means Wikidavis is voting for a web site that is wrong and unfortuantely unremoveable. You're suggesting that Wilkidavis should via associated keywords help it to show high in SERPs by naming it. To avoid doing that, while in no way misleading anyone - quite the oppipsite, in fact - and working to avoid spreading out of date inforation to people who truly need to have correct information, is a desired goal. The objection to this is hard to understand, and the interagoraty demand is unfair and should be withdrawn. With is the wrong and what is the harm? unstoner

You're not addressing any of the above and are likewise subject to the question. Are you trying to manipulate SERPs as well? ("You started it." won't do as a defense). And, do you take responsiblity for the bad results you will cause and could easily prevent? unstoner

Wok, I know this response goes at least in part to someone else, but here it is. It's time to everyone to slow down. I have complied with the preference for not having it missspelled "Ge0cities" and have no intention to get into a revert war. So a lot of the aruguments seems moot. Now why do we have to be explicit and actually name the wrong page enough for search engines to associate it with keywords, and thereby validate it, when the page as it is does the job very well? The community is informed, helped and not mislead in any way. Your peference would have the unfortunate and opposite effect. As for getting the page down, I would do that in a heartbeat. I have already made attempts to do so. So how is this done?

P.S. Welcome to the web. It's sounds like you were hoping for something else. You can't abdicate the affect of Wikidavis, the idea is to make sure your side of the street is clean. There's a good probability that search engine issues can become standard fare and that will oblige you to deal with them, albeit reluctantly. unstoner

2008-03-07 14:27:21   Glad you appreciate it - one office manager actually asked me if I could update the prices for her when I called and told her the price I'd seen on the wiki! —AynReyes

2008-03-09 12:04:07   it would appear the python implosion was fix'd ~30 minutes after I left you said message

<3 —StevenDaubert

2008-03-09 12:41:14   Ya, didn't get prntscreens but considered it, next time —StevenDaubert

What "other ents"? Update,never mind. If you want to revert, I won't have a problem with it —unstoner

2008-03-12 12:40:18   The California Aggie has changed their website again, which means all the links don't there an easy way to fix all of them? —JamesSchwab

2008-03-14 09:47:39   hey! thanks for the kind words, for listening, and for calling in!! (i'm gonna see what's up with the bad phone number). —JessicaRockwell

Anytime Jab, those little Wiki link icons sure look cute and add so much. ;} unstoner

2008-03-16 14:51:20   I guess I will once I figure out how to edit these pages properly (for example, how to reply to your comment without me using the comments thing to create a new comment). I've mostly been commenting on stuff cause thats the easiest thing to do rather than editing pages. I am computer savvy, but not yet wiki-savvy. However, your comment has motivated me to compile my Rolodex into a wiki-suitable list. Any recommendations on how to post it would be appreciated. —SunjeetBaadkar

Well, Ol' Jab, if your done telling me how to feel and presuming what I feel, here's my reply. I'll guess that your reacting to my saying "it might be best and more courteous to ask what is the relevance first, rather than risk presuming from ignorance that there is none." Since that was the only comment directed to you, your reply seems completely out of proportion, especially when it goes as low as to include ridicule. More on that later. Your saying "I proposed a revision with an edit..." is a contradiction and an attempt to have it both ways. You either propose an edit, or you at least signify it is a proposed edit. You did neither. In your case, it seemed more than proposed when it was to remove "not really relevant" info. You've also falsely accused me of being "combative about every edit!" Besides being not so when several significant edits have not provoked alleged, unvaried "combative" reactions (look up a few comments to see proof otherwise), this also ignores how quarrelsome and belligerent you have been - you may remember your heated "yes or no" interrogation, which centered around how to precisely refer to how the defunct Davis meeting which was so particularly contentious. Why should it be surprising that your most recent edit bring to mind another escalation on your part regarding almost the same issue as before? What could be in doubt about my "goals"? If you have solid basis to challenge them, please do, otherwise, you're on another fishing expedition. Your only valid concern is whether the entries and edits of them are good or bad. I'm glad to hear "There's no disagreement here", and that my explanatory comments seem to have had some good affect. Unfortunately, they have also prompted personal, patronizing and smug remarks like "The sun still shines, somebody loves you...". I imagine a subsequent retort of yours saying "your still taking it way too seriously, Dude." If your response was actually measured and patient as it pretends to be, I wouldn't have grounds to suggest the same of you. — unstoner

Nah. You could apply your advice and just "Apply compress, take two aspirin, place head between legs. " Any wonder why I'm not eager to phone you? — unstoner I'm all for a fresh start. Barring vociferous objections, I'll delete your comments from my user page tomorrow. If you were to delete mine, I think that would allow a lot of inside baseball to go away. Kind of like it's time to toss out some trash. I don't plan on doing much more on Wiki for some time since the Wiki pages, seem to be in god shape are doing a good job of providing the correct MA to those who need it in the greater Sacramento area. You are, of course, welcome to attend any of our meetings. - Unstoner

2008-03-20 21:07:15   Cause she asked me to :) —DanXie

2008-03-25 03:01:57   oh is that talk page ever win —StevenDaubert

2008-03-25 09:18:33   I'd suggest the addition of a (free) WiFi field for the restaurant and business templates. It's useful to know where you can get a connection when you are deciding where to go. This would probably have to be retrofitted onto existing business and restaurant pages. —IDoNotExist

2008-03-25 11:02:52   I've added a few additional fields to the restaurants tab. If people like them, is there a way to propagate them to the other restaurant wiki entries without doing so manually? —IDoNotExist

2008-03-25 11:05:02   Not sure how the wiki backend is managed currently, but perhaps template fields could be autofilled from data in a database. This would allow new fields to be added as needed, with changes reflected throughout the wiki where appropriate, without having to update every wiki page manually. (Or does this already exist?) —IDoNotExist

2008-03-25 11:12:45   An idea for an additional template: Map. This would show the subject of the page on a google map plot (perhaps embedded in another wiki page?) It might also show, for example. the location of all apartments in Davis, all restaurants in Davis (color coded by food type), Wifi locations, cell reception for each carrier at different locations, event locations, etc. —IDoNotExist

2008-03-25 14:17:20   Errr...yeah. Exactly like that sort of thing. :-) I'd never noticed it before for some reason, even though it was right in front of me... —IDoNotExist

2008-03-29 12:54:10   This is so random, but every time I see your name ("Jabberwokky") I think about this live action movie they made of "Alice Through the Looking Glass". In case you havne't seen it, there is this scary-ass Jabberwokky who stalks Alice throughout Wonderland. And John Stamos (pre-Uncle Jessie) is in the film and he plays the White Knight's messenger. But that doesn't have anything to do with what I was talking about. Yea. . .good times with A.D.D. —CurlyGirl26

2008-03-31 17:35:39   Who is the person on the Davis Wiki logo? —IDoNotExist

2008-04-01 03:09:06   Thanks for the deletions. And if you're awake now, I will head to sleep. —BrentLaabs

2008-04-05 15:17:39   Oops, got confused by your different personal pages. Restating comment "Re: Featured Page on Davis wiki: Thanks - have any edits to make the text of the proposed Featured Page? —JoRo

2008-04-06 16:57:19   I have a spreadsheet of most of the apartments in Davis, their features, locations, and prices (although the pricing info is now out of date). This could be a very useful resource for people who are apartment hunting, however it is in Excel format, which is not so useful for group editing. The advantage to using this spreadsheet is that all of the data is in one place, and people can easily eliminate any apartments that don't interest them. Any thoughts on how this could be added to the wiki and kept up to date? (I do not have time to maintain it.) —IDoNotExist

2008-04-11 15:53:16   Sorry I deleted the other featured page. I figured since its due today, if you haven't seen it by now, its kinda too late to draw up a respectable grant application. —BrandonBarrette

2008-04-11 17:22:43   Caaaaaaarrr-rrrooooollll-llllaaaaaaaaaa!!! —CurlyGirl26

2008-04-11 17:37:46   Do you think we should just delete the volunteer thing until after picnic day, then make the featured page the volunteer thing? It kinda looks weird there with that one little line under picnic day. Just a thought... —BrandonBarrette

2008-04-11 19:02:12   Sounds good. I'll leave it and work on thinking of ways to expand that to promote volunteer week... —BrandonBarrette

2008-04-12 10:39:16   Thanks for updating the ADHD and giving it a format. —CurlyGirl26

2008-04-14 00:16:07   Thanks for the comment, but I felt the Wooz entry was inaccurate and overreaching in the description of 'It is boring'. So I corrected the main entry in what I felt to be a reasonable manner. I certainly do not know of rules applying to Wikipedia in this regard, nor was I thinking of such as you imply when I made my change. I was trying to present a more balanced entry on the subject for viewing, and allow more personal opinions and viewpoints to be on the comments. Hope that clears up the rationale on my change commented on. :) —JeffWood

2008-04-15 15:24:55   Got it. Thanks :) —ElleWeber

2008-04-28 00:10:07   Hi, I haven't read any fantasy novels recently, but usually I read fantasy novels with female heroines. Tamora Pierce is my current favorite. —AmyTrinh

2008-05-07 16:55:53   Wow! Thank you for the help! It's great that this software can be replicated so easily for community networking.

The images look great. I replaced the image files in the general settings, but I don't see them coming up...? I also like the small bicycle photo as well.


2008-05-08 10:31:06   The KDVS people have been up in the press box during every game that I've worked. I dunno if they have their own special place or not, but they're definitely up there.. —WilliamLewis

2008-05-08 22:21:12   Thank you, again! I got it to work and I think it looks quite nice. :) —ChristaJones

2008-05-13 13:29:58   Thank you for your help, Jabberwokky! It's obvious that I'm still learning. What I lack in knowledge and skill, I make up for in enthusiasm. —CurlyGirl26

2008-05-13 13:33:35   good call on the TOC on ADHD page —StevenDaubert

2008-05-16 18:39:19   You have opened my eyes to the world of barbecue. I wish to learn more. —SunjeetBaadkar

2008-05-16 19:42:46   What is the backend software used to run the Davis Wiki? Would you recommend it? What does it run on, and what is the hardware load? —IDoNotExist

2008-05-17 00:25:25   I'm looking for a wiki that is low maintenance, and that can support the needs of 100-200 people. I'd like it to support comments, searching, and complex formatting, like you find here. —IDoNotExist

2008-05-17 21:07:57   How DARE you! Correcting me on the distinction between tex mex and southwestern cousine. And in a public forum, too! <smile> —CurlyGirl26

2008-05-18 17:01:39   The welcome to the Wiki page currently reads: "The Importance of using your RealName cannot be underestimated." This should probably be "overestimated", unless using your RealName has no importance at all. —IDoNotExist

  • Well, I think its a matter of opinion either way you see it. Some people believe using your real name online has such great importance that doing so puts them at risk of identity theft or what not (many people go so far as to do this in real life when leaving contact information, or lack thereof, at a business when its necessary for the customer to be contacted for whatever reason). Then again, some people think that using your real name when saying something online has no significance either way and its a non-issue (sort of like how people make a single comment on Daviswiki and never log on again...or how someone tries to get an employee of a retail store fired by complaining to the person's superior just because they weren't treated like a VIP or something). So perhaps its both under- and overestimated. —SunjeetBaadkar

2008-05-18 19:15:34   Perhaps it should read then, "The importance of using your RealName can not, and should not, be estimated, since such an estimate probably isn't particularly meaningful to anyone (unless you think it is, in which case, perhaps it should!)" :-) —IDoNotExist

2008-05-20 07:54:30   Haha, yes, I figured that. Nice touch on the 3/5th clause. If people don't catch it now, I don't know if they ever will. —BrandonBarrette

2008-05-20 08:31:26   Is there really a city of Yolo? I couldn't find a reference to it anywhere, only that there are parts of Yolo County that are unincorporated. And if that is right, then "outside city" might be the exact opposite of what one is supposed to say if one is a resident of Davis. (On the other hand, I've entered different ones on different occasions, and it doesn't seem to make a difference — I'm also trying to figure out why I am being asked, but no luck yet). —CovertProfessor

2008-05-20 10:07:02   I've put "inside" and I've put "outside," and I've managed to get the item either way. But I keep waiting to get something kicked back to me. —CovertProfessor

2008-05-26 20:29:21   isn't it awesome that in times of lore it was an insult to bid someone a good day?

<3 —StevenDaubert

2008-05-30 15:34:23   Hey JabberWokky - Thanks for your comment. I posted a comment back, and I'd love some clarification. Thanks! —MettaDogTraining

2008-05-30 15:35:16   Oops, nevermind. :) —MettaDogTraining

2008-06-01 18:29:15   thanks for pretty-fying the disaster planning for pets page. i did after just waking up (while i was still lying in bed) and meant to make it pretty later.....but you beat me to it, wikimaster! :-D —JennSuzuki

2008-06-02 14:40:50   You added links to the Law Cappella page while I was previewing my version :) —ElleWeber

2008-06-04 16:13:13   How did you catch on to my scheme? —AndrewPeake

2008-06-09 08:42:26   How can I see the pre-release of street view for campus? Is it only for publically-accessible-by-car streets on campus? —JeremyOgul

2008-06-09 09:02:08   haha, i loved this edit. —ElleWeber

2008-06-11 06:28:22   I'm sorry. I never saw the original Hamilton letter; I should have not made that change. —RichardTrendall

2008-06-11 08:56:23   I never meet people with money when I'm dumpster diving. seems like unnecessary advice to me... —PxlAted

2008-06-11 20:35:31   Hey thanks for tossing the bike tunnels up on featured page! I took a bunch of pics for that page last year and had lots of fun doing so. —jefftolentino

2008-06-13 07:20:12   I killed that image for you. —WilliamLewis

2008-06-16 17:58:22   JabberWokky: Thanks for all of your work on the Wiki... Okay, sorry for deleting the page about me. I'll leave that one for public editing, and I'll add any corrections to the comments on that page (i.e. the Law Students Association wasn't part of the Graduate Students Association when I started at King Hall, let alone became president). —ScottLay

2008-06-18 13:41:20   Yea, I realize that. I actually have my younger sister (who lives in Woodland) using the Photo Request page to know what pictures to take. She has collected a number of whats there, but I've yet to have the time to go over with her how to use the wiki to upload them. —CarlosBarahona

2008-06-20 08:19:56   There's nothing amazing. It's actually the name of a sandwich at one of my favorite pubs. —TheAmazingLarry

2008-06-23 13:30:25   Thanks for the heads up! —JoePomidor

2008-06-25 10:23:46   I don't know that green is the best color to describe Davis in Summer. I think brown might be better. ;) —ElleWeber

2008-06-25 12:21:53   You have a point there. The reason I changed it is because the county doesn't call them "absentee" ballots any more, they call them "vote-by-mail" ballots. Such ballots can be submitted at polling places, though. Maybe it would be more accurate to say such-and-such a number returned vote-by-mail ballots. —JeremyOgul

2008-06-25 14:43:23   The user HVS no longer exists, you motivated me to get rid of that poor name choice, thanks... (On another note, when I disabled that account and went to make a new one, any clue how to make it so I can use my old e-mail address as well, thanks). —Kastrophee

2008-06-28 08:24:07   FYI: Brent doesn't drink. —WilliamLewis

2008-07-01 14:02:43   Oh, shoot. I didn't even know there were DWiki pages for Baha'i and Scientology! I guess I made that assumption because I've been editing of pages directed from the Lame Wiki Pages listing (in attempt to remedy some of these pages of their 'ills'), and the Christianity one is at the very top under 'unsalvageable'. So I guess I just assumed that those types of pages are frowned upon. This is what happens when I just jump into editing stuff that I don't really know anything about... Plus, I haven't been editing here for very long, since the wiki didn't become popular until right after I left for Santa Cruz. I'm still new to the site navigation and learning exactly what pages exist and what is still missing. As for the Pregnancy page, I got mostly the same impression of its centricity towards younger people trying to avoid pregnancy rather than obtain it. I realize I added information that adds to this centricity, and that's my fault. —MaryLieth

2008-07-03 23:23:41   Make your 10,000th edit a grand one! Congrats and thanks for all your hard work! —MaryLieth

2008-07-04 00:10:15   Congratulations on that 10,000th edit. May your next 10,000 prove to be as impressive and positive as the last 10,000. —JasonAller

2008-07-04 12:26:46   I'm confused. Why are people congratulating you on 10000 edits when your user info says: "This user has made 12536 edits to 5291 pages on 97 wikis." Did you make 2536 edits in the last day or so? —SunjeetBaadkar

2008-07-08 00:52:10   That's the thing! There is no name for these apartments! It's effin mysterioussssss.... we are located at 307 University Ave. 12 Apartments situated above what used to be the campus cafe roma. (I believe it is now called 3rd and U cafe). We like to just call ourselves the Roma apts in honor of the late great. Make us a page? I'll upload some images —JoeSaavedra

2008-07-22 19:12:15   "Quantum-touch" is just another example of fraudulent medicine attempting to claim legitimacy by pretending to be a part of a branch of science that is understood by very few. Such "treatments" bilk people out of money and can prevent people in need of legitimate medical care from seeking it. Anyone who pushes such things is deserving of a whole lot more than mockery. I really don't care if they're newbies or not. —WilliamLewis

2008-07-23 19:04:51   I like the way you handled the Quantum Healing page issue. I personally know the person who created the page, so part of me wants to jump to his defense despite the fact that I'm pretty neutral on my view of it. I am a true skeptic and try to never make claims without proof one way or another of something. My friend believes in its practice and I stand by his right to believe. —SunjeetBaadkar

2008-07-24 06:28:07   Woot Woot, Thanks! —SMCareBare

2008-07-24 12:33:32   So on the Mystery Picture page, when you type a guess in on Mystery Picture/Guesses, it displays it on the page Mystery Picture for some odd reason. I thought I fixed it last night, but it didn't seem to work. Not sure what's going wrong, but I have a feeling its either in the coding, or has something to do with possibly Firefox 3, as that is the only change on my end since I last guessed. —BrandonBarrette

2008-07-24 12:43:26   Thanks for the warm comments! I restored the comment like a good wikiin and will try not to take the sour welcome so much to heart. I had hoped to be ignored by those uninterested... Anyway, I'll dig in and see if I can eventually do this wiki some good. —Sankofa416

2008-07-24 14:11:48   Guesses are appearing on the wrong page again. Since someone mentioned it, I'm using Firefox 3 on all of my machines. —IDoNotExist

2008-07-24 14:13:40   The wiki appears to need a substantial burp, if not a barbaric yalp. Page loads and comment posts are exceeding 60 seconds - the one I just made took 3-4 minutes. —IDoNotExist

2008-07-24 14:20:59   The wiki server is crashing when I try to post. Is there somewhere where I can post the error that it generated?


2008-07-24 14:26:33   For me too. —IDoNotExist

2008-07-24 14:30:41   Looks like bad things are happening once again on edits and comments. Me thinks it is the editing and commenting code. —IDoNotExist

2008-07-25 12:16:38   How do I edit the front page to let people know about the wiki BBQ on August 3rd? I wanna get at least a week's face value for the event and not just on the "Today's Events" the day of the event. —SunjeetBaadkar

2008-07-25 12:43:20   Hey there, thank you for keeping on top of the wiki and the users who don't always use it as it was intended. I really appreciate your hard work! —DaveCar

2008-07-31 17:47:57   That's awesome. It's interesting watching this whole thing unfold in California while I'm back in the DC area right now. There's really a cultural divide between the East and West coast (not necessarily liberal vs conservative, just different social mores I suppose) that becomes noticeable when things like this occur and these topics enter public discourse. Then again, the people here all wear seersucker; so I don't really respect their opinions anyways. —SMCareBare

2008-08-02 08:27:46   That's awesome! —SMCareBare

2008-08-06 10:23:40   The fast that I'm posting this comment here instead of on the Davis Wiki talk page is an example of why the following is true. The wiki has grown sufficiently large that information on it is becoming difficult to find, even using the search function. (For example, I just searched for 5 minutes for the wiki talk page, and couldn't find it!) The search feature needs to be able to handle much more sophisticated searching - boolean searching, and metadata searching. ie. I should be able to search for a page that was edited in a certain time range by a certain user or set of users, or the set of pages linking to a specific wiki page. I think that this would make wiki search much more powerful. —IDoNotExist

2008-08-12 14:21:46   thanks for the correction, darn spell check, thats what i originally had. I have been reading the talk page closely, and thats why i moved the comments relating to McDonald's instead of deleting them entirely —MattHh

2008-08-13 09:18:49   He uses it fairly often. A cursory Newsbank search finds 12 references to "Olde East Davis" in the past three years and 11 to "Old East Davis". —JeremyOgul

2008-08-14 16:29:32   Hey, thanks for the "=====" suggestion on my page. I'm still relatively new and I thought if I made a mistake somewhere someone would catch me. I also fixed the photo on the SFBO page and made sure the image was released under creative commons. Even if I didn't change it, would there be any way for you to tell if I was cheating or not? Also, I think my argument about the "people" page not being alphabetical holds in a theoretical sense. If someone made a profile with only a first name, where would they put it? Same goes for someone who made a random name like "butterfly". Yet, since most people have a first/last name combo, I guess the ordering system works in all practically, but it's still a bit yucky. —brandonhkey

2008-08-15 00:33:55   Don't worry about the Yolo United page, I'll be keeping my eye on that one to keep it up-to-date over the next few days (and to prevent evil saboteurs from defacing it). I guess I can't complain about the date thing if YYYY-MM-DD is "supposed" to be the standard but I gotta be honest, I haven't seen that catch on everywhere yet, but I'll keep my eyes pealed now. Good to know you're out there making sure the wiki doesn't fall to pieces. Oh, and I agree with IDoNotExist's criticism of the Daviswiki search. I think the search needs to be more powerful. Maybe we can get it Google-powered? —brandonhkey

2008-08-17 15:09:55   Are you getting very poor performance on comments? It seems to be taking many seconds or even minutes to post comments now. —IDoNotExist

2008-08-17 16:10:59   It did eventually seem to speed up again, when teh comments finally made it to the wiki. But one comment took at least 6 minutes, and the one on your page also took several minutes. —IDoNotExist

2008-08-18 09:02:16   ahhh...that explains it :-) —IDoNotExist

2008-08-19 02:00:41   I have heard of spammers using tactics like this to get people's email addresses. I may have been a bit overzealous, but the all-caps, poorly-written, asking-for-emails set off my suspicions. Feel free to return the comments, I just felt that they didn't add to the page or the reviews in question. —JoePomidor

2008-08-20 10:36:33   Heh, no I actually think it's for the better. The amount people were buying in order to make the list was pretty obscene, like $20 worth per cup, which is just over 3 pounds each. According to one of the sales people, one of the guys who made the list promptly puked up the whole thing in the garbage can directly outside the store. I bet the contest became something of a liability for them, especially if people didn't quite make it outside before their bodies decided to reject that unfathomable amount of sugar and "dairy product". —MaryLieth

2008-08-20 21:25:53   Hello Mister JabberWokky Sir... is there anyway you could look over the APEX Cycles page and figure out what I did wrong. I noticed that almost all of my things that are meant to be bold are not bold, and vice versa. You can get an idea once you look at the page. I looked at the script, but don't see anything wrong. Is it just my computer?, or am I seeing things? Thanks - Aaron —Aaron.Curtin

2008-08-21 13:18:10   Good point. I use the Recent Changes so often, I sometimes forget that it's not actually necessary to look at it when using the site. —JoePomidor

2008-08-22 09:51:57   That is ridiculously awesome. —CurlyGirl26

2008-08-22 13:42:55   We want Information —IDoNotExist

2008-08-23 15:46:16   Re: City of Davis. The first sentence of the page indicates that the page is about the municipal government, not the community. In my opinion, "Davis" is not the same as the "City of Davis." The latter is the formal government entity, and the former is what most people think of when they say Davis. Given that, there's nothing inaccurate about saying it is run by the City Manager and city staff, and governed by the City Council. I think adding "bureaucratic infrastructure" and "city services" is superfluous because that was already established in the first sentence. —JeremyOgul

2008-08-24 20:33:35   I was just agreeing with what another had said about the "midget" term...but it looks like I commented after everything had been resolved. Sorry about that! :) —DukeMcAdow

2008-08-25 12:21:19   G**k could be geek, but it could also be a derogatory name of Vietnamese, garnering popularity around the Vietnam police action —StevenDaubert

2008-08-25 14:32:46   Funny, there's an FG episode about toad licking

2008-08-28 12:00:34   ha, thanks. first wiki entry, but i looked at the code on a few other pages to get the idea—oh yeah, and i'm a total nerd, so that helped! :) glad i finally singed up. the davis wiki is awesome. —chuckc

2008-08-28 23:07:22   Thank you for the Über-secret treasure map to pirate gold in Davis. Now I have filled my Über-secret treasure chest with Über-secret treasure, as identified on the Über-secret treasure map to pirate gold in Davis. —IDoNotExist

2008-08-29 10:25:05   I saw the image you uploaded like 2 minutes after you uploaded. I'm pathetic. :-P —WilliamLewis

2008-09-05 18:48:25   Hey Jabberwocky! Thanx for the Cosplay edit! I agree with you, the term has become diluted, making it difficult to define! thanx for your help! _Chibi

2008-09-07 23:17:52   Hello, Evan! It is very nice meeting you too. Yes, I am the owner of Crepe House Uni. Thank you very much and I hope to see you on our grand opening. —Sagat

2008-09-08 08:47:20   No, that wasn't me. Do you recall what he was saying about his uniform on campus? —TheDavisMarine

2008-09-08 10:45:26   Hey Evan,

I'm working on a couple of pages (North Area Pond, Northstar Park) and see that there are photos on each page which should be switched to the other page. How do I do this? I could download and then reload the images, but then I think they'd be stamped with my information suggesting they were my images, I think.... As a temporary fix, I've labelled them, but it would be better to move them.

Cheers —BarryRice

2008-09-09 21:43:08   Hi Jabberwokky—thanks for commenting on my West Sac Wiki meanderings, edits and additions. I have a lot of photos posted on the West Sacramento Photo of the Day website ( if they can be of use on the West Sac Wiki...I would just appreciate a little credit next to the photo is possible. —bcsmith46

2008-09-10 12:23:17   Thanks for the edits! —SMCareBare

2008-09-11 16:55:33   Thanks for saying so. He is allowed to think of it as annoying or cliche, but I am episcopalian and it doesn't offend me. But then I love Robin Williams... Perhaps it would seem offensive to some of our more conservative members... Who knows. —CarrieBishop

2008-09-14 00:39:01   Hello, thanks for your comment and for welcoming me! I am not sure how fond of the particular animals I am now linked to I am but it was cool to check out the local critters. You seem like an interesting fellow/Gnome person. You certainly have alot on your wiki page! Very neat.

See you around, Gina —ginarivers

2008-09-17 13:55:25   Thanks for the welcome! —ChelseaAyers

2008-09-22 08:28:13   hmmm searching for local website from joe's page gives me errors, and the url that results is

is my spidey sense tingling for no reason? —StevenDaubert

2008-09-23 15:26:45   Are you back in Davis for good? Or just on vacation? —IDoNotExist

2008-09-26 19:52:11   How will I find you tomorrow? —IDoNotExist

2008-09-28 22:28:28   I'm sorry to have missed you yesterday. I was so looking forward to meeting you and Mrs. Wokky :=) Unfortunately, my work schedule conflicted with the meet up.

Hope you have safe travels and you are able to come back to Davis soon. —CurlyGirl26

2008-10-02 12:00:26   It's better, I don't care for their humor regarding Davis, so I'm probably not the best judge. It just didn't seem germane to the DLM page. —Davidlm

2008-10-03 12:29:39   Oh! Thanks, I'll stick them back in. —ElleWeber

2008-10-03 22:14:18   Re:fair trade coffee, I don't have a clue. Just ran across the page and was trying to figure it out. —JimStewart

2008-10-06 12:21:51   Hey. Thanks for the compliments on the photo. It was taken at Bryce Canyon National Park, Aug. 2008. —StephanieCastle

2008-10-13 23:20:13   short blurb replies edited on my page :) —EdWins

2008-10-14 10:22:08   What do you think, re: Roxie? —IDoNotExist

2008-10-14 11:00:09   Please stop putting your comment up on Roxie's page. You are making false assumptions, and false accusations. If, indeed, you are monitoring IP addresses and invalidate a comment simply because it comes from the same IP address as a comment sent a few moments earlier, how then do you account for more than one person using the same computer? Or in the case of Roxie, the same hairstylist? And to base your accusation on the choice of wording seems extremely superficial. After all, how many different ways can you say "I got a great haircut?" TonyB and EGrace are a husband and wife; they use the same computer, and the same hairstylist. I don't know who the other two are, but you certainly are invalidating their comments. While you may be providing a service to some, you are not providing a service to Roxie. Please stop. Thanks, Pat Quinn


2008-10-14 13:24:54   I was trying to upload larger image files so I could thumbnail to them. Annoying when you keep messing with the image files I'm working on. —StevenWorker

2008-10-14 15:25:02   Evan, Thanks for taking the time to explain how some of this works. While in concept a wiki is a beautiful thing, in reality it can get a little muddled. While it purports to be an open environment, it really isn't because it is, in a sense, being policed. Even though it is being policed for the "common good" it can be misleading because, based on assumptions, along the way someone is judging someone else. At any rate, thanks for clearing this up. I will tread more carefully in the future. Pat —patquinn

2008-10-15 11:23:42   Accounting spam is back... —IDoNotExist

2008-10-15 21:32:12   That was fun. I've always enjoyed that kind of thing on the forums I'm involved in, though I tend to /facepalm when I realize how much we tend to deviate and/or assume from the original post that starts it all. —EdWins

2008-10-15 21:44:34   There are signs about bubonic plague in many campgrounds in California. But yeah, hantavirus is out here too I guess, although I had the impression it was more in the desert. —NickSchmalenberger

2008-10-20 21:13:30   Thanks... I was compiling a lot of this information already on a spreadsheet to organize my job search. It's a good reference to have on the wiki. —MaryLieth

2008-10-21 04:50:20   Hiya, Evan. Thanks for the welcome back on 2008/09/05 (I write dates the Japanese way). Sorry I didn't respond earlier; I was still trying to learn how to use the wiki. I think I've got the hang of VERY basic posting/commenting functions now. See you around. —T.Zukumori

2008-10-21 13:07:25   lolElleWeber

2008-10-22 11:49:47   Thanks Jabberwokky, very interesting. I'll take time to peruse this page a little more later but I want to thank for your feedback on my page. One of my strongest interests is "can the web do local community?" And do it well as pcs and other factors have destroyed a sense of locality in many areas although it seems to be returning now more and more...perhaps we just needed to have a sense of what it looks like to see nothing but corporate facades every which way you look and say, "hey, don't want that!"

Of course, it's more complicated than that but over here in Sonoma/Marin/Napa counties I distribute cards and word of mouth for two aspiring local connectors. First is and the second is called Aqus news, and is sign up only, not directly interactive, and linked with the Moose Lodge over here in Petaluma. It's run by a guy named John Crowley who grew up in Scotland and was amazed at how dislocated Americans were from each other when he moved over here. He does a nice job addressing this reality but both Wacco and Aqus still are limited in terms of usefulness by the amount of traffic they generate.

And Craiglist is too big! And faceless! Feels like you're dealing with the DMV 20 years ago,sometimes just to get a simple question answered especially when you're flagged or something. Nowadays, in fact, the DMV, would be much preferred! thanks again. ds —DouglasHall

2008-10-24 20:52:28   Not a fan, Jabberwokky...just sounded better than dog...looks like a fun site tho...are there any wikis you participate on in Pennsylvania? Seems like Davis is a bit unique in this regard...I've searched further and there seems to be zero in the immediate North Bay area...tempted to start one but I need to see just how it functions as a "community" first. Check the site you might find it interesting and inspiring. Have a nice weekend and enjoy the fall colors...I grew up on Long Island. Doug —DouglasHall

2008-10-28 12:00:06   Where do I go to pick up my 10 points? —TheAmazingLarry

  • Can I pool my 10 with Larry's 10? -ES

2008-10-28 12:11:47   Thanks for the link to the five wikipedians that have their own personal restaurant guides. Interesting, I found the pages by randomly browsing a few days ago, and was considering making my own as well. It will probably be quite a challenge before mine will come close to the depth and breadth of their pages, but I'll give it a shot. —T.Zukumori

  • Sorry, sorry. I misread "Wikians" as "Wikipedians". I mean the former. —T.Zukumori

2008-11-13 22:30:11   Thank you, Evan. Very much appreciated. —CovertProfessor

2008-11-14 11:27:01   Hey, its me lex again about the Asian Auto Care page thing, we do have new owners, so why cant the old comments just be archived with the old business? can you help me with that? —AlexisLemus

2008-11-14 11:44:24   Oh, yeah, if you could do me the favor of archiving some of those comments? It would be truly appreciated. —AlexisLemus

2008-11-20 07:52:09   I had the same thought about the red on black being too dark (Woodland Wiki). I could not figure out how to make the text white. I'll probably change the colors today. —DavidGrundler

  • Changed and it looks much better. Thanks. Any idea why the user stats are not computing correctly on the Woodland Wiki? —DavidGrundler

2008-11-20 12:14:15   It's not all that different really. At the base of it, if a business owner wants to support something, they have every right to. In the same vein, so do their customers. That's relatively simple. If that puts them at odds, it has nothing to do with them not being able to express their feelings, it's simply a consequence of their differences. I had a longer post, but I deleted most of it and went on a different track; Some people may prefer to buy organic items. Or to buy fair trade items. Or to buy local to support local businesses (or because they're against chain stores). Similarly, if given the choice, some may prefer to reward businesses with whose management they agree with on other socio-political issues. It's really not all that much different of a reason to support or avoid a place, it's very relative to what that particular consumer subset values. —EdWins

2008-11-20 15:03:47   Ah! —EdWins

2008-11-20 20:15:15   Can't we all just agree that bagels are awesome, no matter where they come from? —StaceyEllis

2008-11-21 12:40:08   I think it is a shame that you removed your comment so quickly from the campaign contribution page. I feel that it was one of the most compelling comments on there, and I feel much the same way as you, only you articulated your points much better than I. Please reconsider putting it back, even though (as you pointed out) some will completely miss the point. I actually didn't think of the effect of pushing people to silence. —DavidGrundler

  • I agree. I enjoyed the comment and thought it made a good point (although I don't necessarily agree. I'm all for good points I don't agree with. My comment right after it was not in response to yours, so your comment that I "missed your point" was slightly off the mark. I did make a direct reply but then removed it when your comment was removed). BTW: It's funny. I moved here this year from Pa., because my wife came to Davis for her first post-doc. Looks like our paths criss-crossed. Enjoy Pa. While I agree there are some similarities (I went to school at Lock Haven, which is about 30 minutes from State College), the differences seem to me more luminous now that I'm here in Calif., and thus more memorable. —condemned2bfree

2008-11-25 20:29:03   Hi Evan! I go by De F. Rew. —defrew

2008-12-07 17:34:10   I'm deeply puzzled about UserInfo. Is there an easier way to get to it than via a full external link? If not, why not? TIA, —Mwanner

  • Ah, simple enough! Thanks again! — Mwanner

2008-12-09 13:00:47   I only changed the month, not the year; I found both dates as well, 1893 here and 1892 here. Listing both would be good - how would you word it? —ElleWeber

2008-12-09 13:05:02   A footnote! How handy! Thanks. —ElleWeber

2008-12-09 19:20:56   I sent you an email just now —StevenDaubert

2008-12-10 06:31:06   Evan, Regarding my "footnote-to-the-footnote" on the Ryerson page and your comment about sarcasm, I could suggest that editors actually do a bit of digging before citing something. I added the expanded dates early-ish in the day and found Elle Weber's odd footnote, not exactly disputing the facts, but casting doubt on them, later the same day. It took me no more than two minutes to locate four reliable sources for Ryersons's DOB, which I then weighed, as one must, even with "official" documents, against the other sources, which I then judged to be unreliable. What you called sarcasm was a minor goad to anyone reading it, including me, to actually look, weigh, and judge before stating (or disputing) a fact. And by the way, I never contradicted the fact that "other sources" give a different DOB, which is certainly an accurate statement, and that's why I didn't strike the original footnote. And I really do like that footnote macro, though, now that I've seen it in action! David —DavidRobinson

2008-12-12 22:24:01   Hey Jabberwokky, can you fix the chart that lists my shop hours so that it is even. I'm trying to list my Summer and winter hours in the chart. Thanks - Aaron —Aaron.Curtin

2008-12-13 19:23:15   Hi Evan. Thank goodness you reminded me!! Now the world is safe with correct tense and room for future WEF benefits! :^) —DougWalter

2008-12-16 15:46:02   Thanks for your advice Evan! —DrWang

2008-12-17 22:38:59   re: Ramen - I agree with your edit that the cheap packaged stuff is outright bad for you, but the good fresh stuff isn't all that great for you either, regardless of veggies. Tend to be super high in salts and most ramens tend to come with meat (pork is pretty common, and the better ramen places serve it with nice meat, not all that lean) - or more commonly, in meat based broths, which really bump up the fats. Or etc, other adds. I mean sure, you could get nutrients and vitamins and whatnot out of the various variations/styles, but I wouldn't really call any of'em nutrional. My gf and I actually had excellent ramen for lunch today :D —EdWins

2008-12-17 23:12:11   Hey, thanks for the facebook fix on my bio page. Davis misses you!!! —thelonepiper555

2008-12-18 08:37:46   Have you not considered adding chopped up Twinkies to your ramen? It's dessert ramen; estranged cousin to dessert pizza. —TheAmazingLarry

2008-12-18 17:13:35   Sure, homemade anything can be that way. Didn't even consider homemade variations - I was talking specifically about the stuff from an actual Japanese ramen house. —EdWins

2008-12-21 09:39:18   did you notice my response? It's not about deleting your comments, don't delude yourself into thinking that —StevenDaubert

2008-12-21 09:43:31   I'm out of town and about to eat delicous breakfast. on my motives of "deleting" your stuff, I moved it to the bottom and was going to challenge your conjecture as I noticed nothing other than oppinion as a response to my facts... —StevenDaubert

2008-12-21 16:28:58   Daubert moved your response to the comments. Not me. I actually did delete it from the entry earlier, he added it back. It seemed silly to me that he thinks your response wasn't worthy of being in the entry, but his edits were. So I decided to move his down as well, especially as it may just be random information that might not be correct (even if he considers it to be so), which is why I asked for some sort of verification from him. In simpler terms, decided to move the rest of the potential "opinion" down there until it proved itself (and again, couldn't delete as he added it back). —EdWins His response is worthy of being in the entry, I just wanted him to flesh out his statement more. Should I have just used the top of the entry as a discussion ground? —StevenDaubert after reading the other half, it should be noted that I culled the "random information" from various reputable sources online (wikipedia and what they source) before making the addition in the 1st place. I didn't want to run into this half cocked. Besides, the whole "argument" is philosophical to begin with.

2008-12-21 19:55:19   h8 you, I remembered that campus actually was a link, but by then I was on to something else irl, came back and you already got it —StevenDaubert

2008-12-25 13:14:23   Re: your comment in my profile 6 months ago: Apparently a friend and housemate (Dmitry) was logged in on my account. However, he did work for GradTutors at some point time, so I'm sure his comment was valid. I will ask him about it. —ErikFriedlander

2008-12-26 22:48:51   Thanks for the Sac wiki link on Sweet Briar. Wasn't sure how to do it correctly and was too lazy after days of gluttony to check for the how-to. —robinlaughlin

2008-12-27 23:24:52   thanks for clarifying where that edited was that Nick was referring to. Now that I see it, I remember doing that—it was a REALLLLY long time ago. Anyway, I think I made that change because that bit of info was irrelevant to the entry. —EliseKane

2008-12-28 14:38:16   Mr. Edwards, thank you for your comments and opinions.

This is for your reference, by the way:

TO: Mr. Nick Schmalenberger CC: JabberWocky

Mr. Schmalenberger, I would appreciate it if you didn't get belligerent in your messages to me. It is offensive and unproductive toward our main cause, which is improving the wiki. I love Davis, as do you, so it would be in our best interests to treat each other with respect. Note that it is in conflict with Wiki Ethics to use "confrontational speech."

You mention that I removed the portion of the article "just because you don't like it". This is a false assertion, per my explanation for you as to why I edited that entry (see comment above). If that is your interpretation of my reasoning, I apologize that you misunderstand me so vastly.

You state that "the idea of pages having a purpose of informing the wiki public is BS." It is my opinion that you have missed the [overarching objective] of the wiki. I am also afraid that you have neglected to read the Wiki Introduction, which states that the wiki is "a place for sharing, listening, learning, growing and exploring," and that it is "a place to record Davis culture, places, [and] spots." I fully agree with your AND the wiki Intro's sentiment that "what the wiki contains and means is up to you. As a general rule you should contribute content you think will be helpful or insightful to others, but even this rule can be broken at times."

In removing Marie Huynh's anecdote, my objective was only toward improving the entry as a whole, and not toward removing a humanizing aspect of the entry. I still maintain that Huynh's anecdote is less of a humanizing aspect of the entry and more of an irrelevancy for the fact that it is NOT informative, as would be Jabberwocky's example of "there are particularly nice smelling flowers on the slope outside the store." (see Jabberwocky comment for reference.) Do what you will with the Fry's page, however, because you clearly have a very deep attachment to Huynh's comment whereby you felt it necessary to contact me.

As for your citation of my Orgasmatron page, I am flattered that you expended such effort to find a page I created so as to back up your argument, because this gives me the opportunity to share with a fellow Davis-lover a great piece of town trivia: It just so happens that the Orgasmatron's sign has been up since the 1970s and was the location of all California Aggie photographic production pre-digital technology (note that this is a "place" or "spot" in Davis, as the Wiki Intro states). There are, of course, secrets about the room that I am not at liberty to divulge because they remain classified except for those in the know at The California Aggie. In essence, this page exists because as you say, "I can relate to [the] text from my own experiences." —EliseKane

2008-12-28 20:35:38   Oh, don't worry. I wasn't upset at all. It was barely a blip on the radar for me; I don't know about Schmalenberger, however. The fact that he made an issue of it in the first place and wrote so aggressively to me is a telltale sign that his feathers were rumpled. Poor guy. —EliseKane

2008-12-30 23:32:52   Thanks for the tip. I think I missed a step b/c I tried it and it didn't work. —CurlyGirl26

2009-01-22 08:43:07   Thank you!!!! —AdobeManagement

2009-01-31 21:42:54   I almost think the media mentions should be split into another page... —StevenDaubert

2009-02-05 12:56:12   "There's a unique thud and low tone when a human body hits a 5th floor hurricane resistant window trying to go through and is bounced back that I don't think I'll ever forget"

ah yes, another jabberjem —StevenDaubert

2009-02-05 15:03:48   Hi! Thanks for your question you posted on the chinese dance and arts wiki page in november of last year :) I just got around to answering it —jfong252

2009-02-13 12:04:22   Hey, I've never seen you at DRAGON, but if you're into gaming it's THE place to go. Games are always shifting and looking for new players. There is even a LARP group, but I'm not affiliated with that and wouldn't know anything about it further than it exists. —MasonMurray

2009-03-10 14:27:52   I figured there must be more than one dog trainer in a city as dog-friendly as Davis, but as a non dog owner, I don't have personal knowledge. I was hoping that the dog-owning wikizens would step up... There's a section on Dogs for Training & Behavior, which I'd assume would be essentially the same thing as Dog Trainers but I didn't know details. —ElleWeber

2009-03-10 14:28:47   Sigh. I didn't look closely enough. A couple of the ones listed on dogs actually have the name "training" in them. I'll move them over. —ElleWeber

2009-03-12 11:10:36   Hey! Can you help me re-size the images im uploading on the Adobe Page?

Thanks!!! —AdobeManagement

2009-03-12 11:42:37   THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!! —AdobeManagement

2009-03-12 12:44:38   Actually that was Williams comment. But um. yes. Throw paperclips everywhere! —NickSchmalenberger

2009-03-13 11:10:23   Hi, sorry if there was a misunderstanding. I realized that I wanted to clear some facts up before i posted my comment, so i deleted it. I also deleted a double posted comment. I figured that was a mistake, but if it wasn't, sorry! —E.Liu

2009-03-24 14:43:21   Thanks, JW! I hadn't seen the Huel Houser thing. God, this is going to be hilarious. I'm sure he just gets so excited about this. We're talking about a guy that acts so excited over different sizes of gravel.

Thanks for the link to the Adam Carolla Podcast. I subscribed on iTunes his first day. The cancellation of his show hit me hard. At least he's podcasting. I'd be going through Adam withdrawals. Painful.

I think the podcasts are really good. It's weird hearing him drop the eff bomb now. I've listened to him on terrestrial radio for more than 10 years, no swearing. —CurlyGirl26

2009-03-27 9:44:10:23   Cough Cough *Ahem* Cough

2009-03-30 06:47:43   I don't mean to harp on you; just interested to see the pictures. Did you happen to also see the Dirty Jobs show done in a Sac-area diaper service? —TheAmazingLarry

2009-03-30 22:06:48   Hear, hear! on the Mustard Seed page. I won't write this on their page, because it's only hearsay, but I have talked with a number of people who have had bad experiences with the owners of the MS — sufficiently bad that I won't go there myself. So, I am convinced of the truth of the allegations made on the page, and as you point out, there are other reasons to believe those reports. —CovertProfessor

2009-03-31 03:58:45   Hi I'm from the Irvine Wiki. Judging from the number of your edits and your SN I assumed you were a bot. Anyway's I only discovered the Irvine Wiki two days ago and I have no idea who the admin(s) are or if they are even active. I sent an email to wikispot but I question if they would release admin control to me even if the wiki was essentially abandoned. Thanks for the contributions. It'll help get this thing off the ground in a couple of weeks. —Mateo

2009-03-31 08:56:43   Hey JW: I just wanted to thank you for staying on top of the shenanigans on the DavisWiki, especially in the cases of the Mustard Seed and Little Prague, but also in general on a daily basis. I hope when you get back from State College (say hello to Lock Haven, where I went to undergrad), I can buy your grizzly nerd ass a beer. —condemned2bfree

2009-03-31 12:26:41   I was just trynna figure out how to upload pics on here and put some of my favorites on my page. But, I must have been using the coding I found on the help page incorrectly, so I just kept getting weird links. It was my fault they uploaded to the front page I guess, cuz I had too many tabs open. So I just deleted them. But for some reason, I had a feeling one of you would see that and try to help me, for which I am very grateful. I'm such a n00b. —BrookeB

2009-03-31 12:29:58   I was just trynna figure out how to upload pics on here and put some of my favorites on my page. But, I must have been using the coding I found on the help page incorrectly, so I just kept getting weird links. It was my fault they uploaded to the front page I guess, cuz I had too many tabs open. So I just deleted them. But for some reason, I had a feeling one of you would see that and try to help me, for which I am very grateful. I'm such a n00b. —BrookeB

2009-04-01 06:58:50   It has been suggesting that during the time that all these folks signed up. —JasonAller

2009-04-04 21:21:53   indeed, and it is —StevenDaubert

2009-04-06 14:08:38   chartreuse? salmon? yellow-green? the possibilities are endless. —TheAmazingLarry

2009-04-13 21:11:22   Much better solution. Thanks again JW! —condemned2bfree

2009-04-14 12:52:24   Are you trying to one up me on rid-the-wiki-of-false-olallaberries-links-day? —TheAmazingLarry

2009-04-15 11:43:30   Thanks for letting me know, but I'm pretty passive for the most part about these things. I recognized the links on the recent changes as a page I edited recently, but I expect that people will edit the pages after me. Other editors seem to have a penchant for educating new users (or duking it out edit-war-of-attrition-style), so I'll leave that up to those folks. I haven't received any emails from this person, but I'll make note of it. —MaryLieth

2009-04-18 15:22:59   I'm going to write my congressman to see if we can ban such offensive hues. —BrentLaabs

2009-04-22 11:22:02   Interesting point! In typical Edwins fashion, I left a fragmented, rambling response. —EdWins

2009-04-23 09:12:49   Aw, hope you feel better soon! —EdWins

2009-04-24 16:30:49   Yes I work on apple computers but only for hardware issues. —RealComputers

2009-04-24 17:04:28   w00t. Thanks for the new badge..... I think. :) —WilliamLewis

2009-04-24 17:06:25   you are welcome to suggest that I change the we's to theys but do not take change anything yourself. There is nothing inappropriate going on here, if I chose to say we instead of I then that is my preference, Leave it at that. —RealComputers

2009-04-24 17:18:35   I am simply asking that you not edit my businesses page. Is that too much to ask? I understand that people can edit it if they want at any time. I also understand that the only two people to edit it so far are you and williamlewis and that some alterations were made so that my page's wording could fit a preconceived idea of what a wiki page(which as you say can be made and edits by anyone) should be worded. Please do not edit my site unless there is a good reason. —RealComputers

2009-04-24 18:15:06   I understand that you anyone CAN change any wiki but that does not mean they HAVE to. Is this a wiki or is it just whats you guys approve? I dont get it, you say anyone can write anything (asuming its appropriate) but i cant have the word we on mine. You guys are super anal if this is how you treat people who are trying to use wiki. —RealComputers

2009-04-24 18:51:24   Well, I understand the idea of including multiple viewpoints, but I have been unable to find any documentary evidence that supports the idea that UCD is the next flagship campus. We are definitely considered UC's flagship campus for environmental studies (which is noted in all the press releases from UCD that go out on environmental issues), but if we were in the process of transforming into the next UCLA or Berkeley, that would be stated somewhere, either in a UCD press release or some UC Regents reports or something. UC doesn't do this kind of thing in secret. —jsogul

2009-04-24 18:59:06   True, it's just one of the ones most likely to get a revert of an edit, since 99% of the time the edit will not be an acceptable one. Front page is the big leagues! —JoePomidor

2009-04-25 15:56:10   At the very least, he shouldn't be allowed to use the wiki to promote his business if he treats everyone with such contempt. —WilliamLewis

2009-04-25 16:38:07   I'm not operating under similar situations as him. I do not think that pages exist for promoting businesses, but that's what he's trying to do. That's what he's attempting to use the page as. Since he has treated everyone with such contempt, we shouldn't allow him to use the community in such a way. Yes, the wiki loses something by not documenting his business. However, I believe that what is lost is infinitesimal. —WilliamLewis

2009-04-28 09:53:37   I'm trying to refrain from acting likeRealComputers, but I'm not seeing much else for me to do. Should I just let the gnomes handle this? —MasonMurray

2009-04-28 10:47:21   Do ou have an issue with me? What do I need to be more willing to communicate with? People have been attacking me simply because I wanted my wiki to be worded a certain way. —RealComputers

  • ...And as in uffish thought he stood,

The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,

Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,

And burbled as it came!

(...from the greatest nonsense poem in the English Language; thanks, Mr. Dodgson. —SredniVashtar)

Don't worry RealComputer, it only matters as much as you want it to, or, maybe it simply

Twas brillig, and the slithy toves

Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;

All mimsy were the borogoves,

And the mome raths outgrabe.

2009-04-28 11:20:41   some people have been nice but trust me, some have definitely just been rude needlesly. Joepomidor is an example. —RealComputers

2009-04-29 15:25:15   Do you read XKCD?

2009-04-29 16:08:39   true, i'll take it down. It's hard to be facetious about the media coverage while staying respectful for the people who are actually getting it. —JoePomidor

2009-04-29 19:46:34   My areas of research and doctoral works are with infectious diseases. I should be reading papers right now for an upcoming exam on HIV, Anthrax, lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus, and Cholera. But what you noticed drives me nuts, has always driven me nuts (since at least high school), and likely will drive me nuts for the rest of my life. —EdWins

2009-05-05 01:56:50   I am sorry if i messed around with the wiki at first but this idea of a website that anyone can edit is just suprising to me. I have removed any comments I have made anywhere that could seem rude. I dont want to piss anyone off. Any help/advice you can provide would be appriciated —RealComputers

2009-05-05 04:50:07   How's the flu? —TheAmazingLarry

2009-05-05 06:01:13   Sorry! —NickSchmalenberger

2009-05-07 11:39:20   I'll give it a shot some time. Generally though I don't like it because the grease upsets my stomach. Antacids fix the problem, but why take something to fix a problem you could just avoid? —MasonMurray

2009-05-07 12:03:08   Only some know the true identity of Jerome Johnson! —JohnDudek

2009-05-08 14:00:41   dude thank you so much. I am not trying to tell people not to argue and be rude with me, but at least just to move it to another page. Thank you so much. —RealComputers

2009-05-08 14:06:28   is there a way I can make the free diagnostics thing stand out more without violating a rule?


2009-05-08 14:42:39   hey man I have been getting a lot of flac, which i know a lot of it is my fault. I was wondering if you would be willing to help direct negativity to those talk pages you made, as I suspect that JoePomidor will not let this go anytime soon and will continue to pu personal attacks on the real computers page when he returns to wiki. —RealComputers

2009-05-08 15:44:01   Horribly written, but hopefully with the right intent showing. I'm sitting in lab crying about my experiments failing :P Hope you're feeling better! —EdWins

2009-05-09 20:28:47   Thanks for your message! How do I clear the account like you said? I would like to use the new one since its more current. hope you feel better soon! —jsbmeb

2009-05-11 08:27:41   Hi, JW! That article (and several others) link to the "Articles/Letters written by Former GVCC Members" section on the "Recovering From Spiritual Abuse" page. Most of them also occur on another page related to GVCC but are embedded in the sense that unless you read the entire page you won't find them. Feel free to clarify or whatever. —RichLindvall

2009-05-11 09:40:19   Hey can you tell me how to change the name of a page? I'm trying to make a new page but the name of it is just "making a new page" and i cant figure out how to change it. —RealComputers

2009-05-11 09:42:30   nvm, figured it out. —RealComputers

2009-05-11 14:34:33   I saw your irc page.. can we move for that to be a general feature of wikispot? —DavidPoole

2009-05-11 15:32:19   thanks for your edits on the hops! —matiasek

2009-05-11 16:56:51   No problem! It's just taking me a little bit to get adjusted to how this works. Thanks though, separating the two wors great! —mydiaz

2009-05-12 12:53:18   Wikiwokky? —TheAmazingLarry

  • I think I like JabberWiki the gnome, and his cousin, Javawikki, the coding gnome? -ES
    • I thought jabberwiki sounded appropriate too, until I looked it up. Definitely not our JW.
      • How true! Sorry it took me a bit to reply to this. I was playing find the gnome. He probably is too. -ES
        • That's even tougher than Where's Waldo. I hope you didn't cheat and use ctrl-F ... :)

2009-05-14 09:26:04   I understand that point, and did see it as a potential counter argument. However, I do not honestly hold the opinion the page should be renamed "Weed". I was merely pointing out a flaw in the argument for naming it "Marijuana" rather than "Cannabis". —MasonMurray

2009-05-14 09:49:46   Thank you for renaming the page. I was just about to ask how to do that. —MasonMurray

2009-05-14 10:31:45   Is there a way for me to have Organic on Woodland redirect to Davis aside from having a page that says "See also, Davis"? —MasonMurray

2009-05-14 11:18:16   My idea was to send the redirect from Organic to Davis, then add several links back to Woodland from the Davis page. There's been several comments regarding this on Woodland, and the general consensus seems to be that copy-paste-ing is not the best option in that it... you know I'm actually not sure. But doesn't it seem a better option, considering Woodland wiki's size that we cross link topics such as "Organic" rather than having one on each? If the general consensus is not, I will gladly help transfer pages over. I just feel this is more efficient. —MasonMurray

2009-05-15 20:17:25   I did not, yet. I will try to independently verify that. —JoePomidor

2009-05-20 13:33:52   My bad! Should have given it a few minutes until you were done. :) —ElleWeber

2009-05-21 09:52:32   JW... I just finally continued the chat from last night. Can you see the comments?? I'm still a rookie on this site obviously. —CaryArnold

2009-05-21 12:27:58   thank you for your comment, I appreciate it. —chand3123k

2009-05-21 16:03:22   What would you consider the "Best" way to prune comments? For example Crepe House Uni has excess comments, and I don't think I can integrate many of them, and would like to prune/archive some of them. —MasonMurray

2009-05-24 10:02:18   Sorry about the teeth. Once the thought crossed my mind, my hands typed it out before I could stop them. —TheAmazingLarry

2009-05-28 06:41:19   Do you often check your timewarp email? I cc'ed you on a communication with the DC Wiki admin. I think he has some questions. —TheAmazingLarry

  • Just got out of bed... I was picking somebody up from the airport in the wee hours of last night, and everybody and their dog seems to have emailed, called or somehow left a message this morning. :) I have it, but have not read past the summary (I literally had *26* calls on my phone when I woke up!). I'll hit it in the next hour or so as I get caught up. —jw

2009-05-29 09:10:34   Indeed, it's. —CovertProfessor

2009-06-01 14:37:27   thanks for making my davis knit night page a lot more purdy :D —ChristyMarsden

2009-06-02 23:22:04   haha, that was awesome! "it's critical mass." —JoePomidor

2009-06-06 12:46:41   Cute idea with the Fuzio editing, but that tidbit you're adding was originally added in 2004 (and not pulled from a communal experience set). Do you find that still to be an accurate reflection of the community of Davis as seen in the comments/reviews? —EdWins

2009-06-06 21:03:01   thanks! i couldn't help getting more specific; that's the restaurant nerd in me. ("he's just posted an #8485, but they clearly use a #37799"). —KevinWan

2009-06-17 10:27:41   Thanks for saying so! A little common sense is all anyone really needs. And something most people lack completely. :T —CarrieBishop

2009-06-17 13:45:02   Hey Evan, I'm sorry for offending you. Honestly. I hadn't meant any of it at anyone personally, but was rather miffed in general at seeing this topic come up so often and especially with the recent creation of the "Anonymous Cowards" stuff. I also had responded under Brent and JA's posts as well. Clearly I went a bit overboard. —EdWins

2009-07-02 10:51:08   hehe don't worry—a picture shall be posted shortly. —EliseKane

2009-07-03 22:00:16   I appreciate your comments and sincerity in wanting me to feel welcome, but from that first reaction I can say that I do not. However, I understand that people have used the Wiki in ways that are questionable and undesirable. May I suggest asking me the validity and goals of said Wiki to understand if it is in fact a business that is simply being made aware to the community before assuming that I have similar motives as another individual. While I seem to be having to defend my integrity without a proper welcome in the first place, let me clear it up by saying that I fully understand the concept of this community and the need for people to be actively involved (by editing entries, commenting, and so on) for DavisWiki to grow.


P.S. To clear up the IP address situation. My friend was with me in the same room as I was creating this Wiki. I used her input to help me create the page and she posted an honest review. The comments posted on that Wiki yesterday affected me as well as her. But, hopefully clearing this up can help to put it behind all of us. —PKS

2009-07-08 10:39:34   Hi! Thanks for helping refine the ASUCD Environmental Policy and Planning Commission DavisWiki Page. I appreciate your help very much! —irregularadverb

2009-07-08 13:05:09   hey jabber, thanks for helping me use this wiki. I want to contribute, I'm just not very technologically advanced. —BryceH

2009-07-14 23:17:01   Oh my gosh, I remember you! —CameronMenezes

2009-07-16 13:07:57   In the future please delete my changes instead of writing rude comments in their place if you feel the need to be so disagreeable. I dont understand what is worng with stating that DAIGNOSTICS ARE FREE under the free computer services section. It is a free computer service. I dont understand why this logic escapes you. Furthermore, I am not some an anonomous person. My name is Brian Tangney and I am the owner of Real Computers. Do you want me to post a picture of myself and use wiki as a myspace as you do? My wiki page is stricktly for business. Please be more professional in the future. —RealComputers

2009-07-16 13:27:03   is a computer diagnostic not a service? Do you not have to pay for a computer diagnostic at other computer shops? Knowing whats wrong with a computer often enables people to fix the problem themselves. Actually quite often. —RealComputers

2009-07-16 13:48:43   As stated, only diagnostics are free. A computer diagnostic is a service, one which you almost always have to pay for. I do not understand your problem with this. Can you exlpain why you are so against having free diagnostics under the free repair and support section? Just the other day I got a call from a guy with a broken laptop monitor. He wanted to do the repair himself but did not where to start. I gave him some advice, told him how to identify his laptops model number aswell as informed him on how to get a new one and what parts he should make sure are included. He was greatful and the service enabled him to get his own repairs underway. I did not charge him. Again, a diagnostic is a service, and I will offer free "supprt" or advice in the same sense as a free diagnostic. I dont know how to make it anymore clear. A diagnostic is clearly a service that enables users to repair their own machines, and I do it for free. —RealComputers

2009-07-16 13:50:59   If you want to be technical about it, the support or service is free but not the repair. The section is called free repair and support. I ofer free support. —RealComputers

2009-07-16 13:55:05   you seem to be bothered by my presence on wiki. Maybe you should back off and wait for the everyday users of wiki decide weather a free diagnostic qualifies as a free computer service or not. —RealComputers

2009-07-23 09:16:32   Already done. Yet another example of why we need a global IP ban. —WilliamLewis

2009-07-23 14:28:46   Sexual advertising is illegal, and I'd rather not see the wiki dragged into a legal issue. —Jteeples

2009-07-23 14:39:57   A fine line. A fine line... —Jteeples

2009-07-23 20:25:50   You are correct, I realize that I was thinking of prostitutional advertising. I will attempt to think more thoroughly when I post, but that is, after all, what the revert button is for {Insert smiley here} —Jteeples

2009-07-28 09:06:35   Could you restore the DMUG and LUGOD listings on the Computer repair page? It's kinda unfair that they get delisted over a completely unrelated matter. —WilliamLewis

2009-07-28 09:07:12   indeed


2009-07-28 12:57:57   though I do not think there was anything wrong at all with the listing I had made, I'm done dealing with this issue. You can unlock the computer repair page. I will not revert it to it previous state. —RealComputers

2009-07-28 15:38:44   Thanks! —ElleWeber

2009-07-29 01:35:24   That strikes me more as a wingless variety of dragon than a troll... —IDoNotExist

2009-07-29 01:43:44   Alas, I don't have a troll. But I do have a real life gnome photo that I might upload some day... —IDoNotExist

2009-07-29 01:58:35   Ugh... —IDoNotExist

2009-07-29 02:02:56   Your first pun was much much shrouder. —IDoNotExist

2009-07-29 15:41:03   Can you unlock the computer repair page, or at least remove the red box at the top? I am not going to try to add a listing in the free section. —RealComputers

2009-07-30 10:26:33   Are you ever going to remove the caption at the top of the computer repair page? That issue is dead and gone. I have said over and over I'm not going to make any listing or do anything to that page. Is there a reason why you are ignoring me? —RealComputers

2009-07-30 20:07:31   Concerning my computers and space flight, I don't have many details. We've provided computers to the Space Systems Division of Oceaneering for years and they will only give us general information about their use. They have told us that the computers have flown on the shuttle and ISS, running non life-critical experiments and such. As we respect our customers' privacy, I couldn't say much more that that anyway. As for the low-earth satellite application, our uflashTCP controller was used in a college low-earth orbit satellite. —jimstewart

2009-08-02 12:06:49   Is it just me or is the wiki responding extremely slowly today? —IDoNotExist

2009-08-03 11:25:54   Not a problem. Didn't think you were. :-) —IDoNotExist

2009-08-03 11:42:41   Things seem to be calm. Can you remover the red box from the computer repair page? —RealComputers

2009-08-05 18:23:47   Welcome to the wiki. BTW, I have to scroll down like 5/6 of the way through the page to hit your comment bar. Odd. —WilliamLewis

2009-08-06 13:23:04   I am having an issue. I would appriciate some help. User JimStewart has decided to start leaving comments about things that have nothing at all to do with computer or Real Computers the business on the real computer page. He seems to be unhappy that I restored something he deleted earlier on the computer repair page, which was an edit by williamlewis. I am not asking you to get involved in that, but I think its not appropriate for anyone to leave comments that have nothing to do with the services performed by a business on a business page. I feel, judging by the past, that JimStewart could easily start leaving more comments on that page and I dont want to start an edit war. A simply suggestion from you to him that he leave such comments on a different page, like my user page, would go a long way, asuming you agree that such comments should not be added to a business page. —RealComputers

2009-08-06 13:28:09   Yes he is free to edit whatever he want, however that was the result and of a long and drawn out edit war in which many people agreed that the best solution was to have the listing as it is now. Either way, I care more about keeping comments that have nothing to do with business off of business pages. —RealComputers

2009-08-06 13:29:59   When I made a wiki account, I did not realize that it would have been better to use my real name at the time. I just wanted to make a business listing. I would have choses a different user name if I had been more familiar with the wiki. —RealComputers

2009-08-06 13:32:12   You have offered to help me determine what is appropriate for wiki usage in the past .. I am trying to take you up on that. Do you think it is appropriate for people to write comments on a business page that have nothing at all to do with the business? I know I have made some people not like me in the wiki, not on purpose, but I am just trying to do what I think is right here. —RealComputers

2009-08-06 13:40:02   Im sure JimStewart did not comment on the business listing on accident, since he refered to me as the owner or real computers. I do think that having my user account under this name does help when I am actually talking/commenting to someone about computer repair, But I would be happy to change it if people have an issue with it. Thanks for the brief help. Also, I simply just dont think that the listing there is advertisment like, I think it just describes the main services offered, which is what the short descriptions are supposed to do. —RealComputers

2009-08-06 13:46:19   I may really need your help now. As I feared this is probably going to start an edit war. JoePomidor has taken it upon himself to preserve the personal comment that JimStewart has left. Can you lock the real computer page for a few days or something, without any non-relevent comments on it? —RealComputers

2009-08-06 13:47:34   Hey...are you going to be returning to Davis any time soon? Just curious. :) —IDoNotExist

2009-08-06 13:49:23   Jabberwokky .. are you trying to tell me that you think that comment was more than a personal attack? Lets be real for a moment. JimStewart is one of the people who I may have offended unintentionally during some edit wars. You cant honestly believe that his motives are to help the wiki and not to just hurt me, can you? —RealComputers

2009-08-06 13:51:41   Well you are an admin are you not? But I will not ask you for any further help at your request. —RealComputers

2009-08-06 13:54:07   Well I do care. I will not stand for personal attacks on my business page. If people want to insult me, fine, but not on the real computers page. —RealComputers

2009-08-06 14:04:26   Yes they have the right to, but that doesnt mean that unrelated business comments/personal attacks belong on a business page. I am not debating that they have the right, I know they have the right, just as I have the right to disagree with comments that have nothing to do with real computers being on the real computers page. —RealComputers

2009-08-06 15:37:59   Can I ask you for a quick opinion on a non-argumentative issue. I am trying to get a better grasp of what these business pages are supposed to be like. It has been suggested that the real computers page "sucks" and so I went and took a look at all the other computer repair pages and found that the real computers page seems to be more informative than any other. I figured that was a good thing but maybe the point is not to be informative about specifics? —RealComputers

2009-08-08 13:29:51   Hah! Or perhaps I should ask if fluffers fold? Either way, I'm not into starch. —robinlaughlin

2009-08-10 16:04:04   Yeah, the number certainly caught my eye. Since I moved, I've been zippin' around LA on a Honda Metro. A lot of fun, but it's essential for my sanity. I'll weep if splitting lanes ever becomes illegal in CA. —EdWins

2009-08-19 14:14:33   I believe that if someone is a clear sockpuppet you should just delete all their comments. —PhilipNeustrom

2009-08-20 12:59:09   Could still be useful to have that information all in one place. Also, looks like Chemistry lists 1.5 research groups, but they are a huge department. I can't imagine that that's their whole research program! —IDoNotExist

2009-08-31 13:28:33   My chubby little dwarf hamsters used to have the cutest pounce, the times we treated them to live foods (crickets, mealworms). —EdWins

2009-09-02 08:52:37   Right, pages belong to the community, not to the wiki... that sounds better. —CovertProfessor

2009-09-05 08:36:23   I don't think you're going to like my next edits to the page, though. —WilliamLewis

2009-09-14 21:55:52   seed-000.png seems to be awol! —CovertProfessor

2009-09-15 11:10:21   Hmm, ok — I cleared my cache and the cute seed reappeared. Sorry for the trouble. —CovertProfessor

2009-09-15 14:29:18   I love your comment on the CCCC page, although I am astonished that it hasn't collapsed under its own weight into some kind of black hole of comment-ness. —JoePomidor

2009-09-16 20:23:40   The current situation occurring with the dog trainer brings up a question I meant to ask a while ago. A friend of mine is a business owner and did not want her page up at all. She was looking into getting it removed but didn't want to start any sort of issues. At the least, she'd prefer to not have a comments page. How can she go about making this happen? —SunjeetBaadkar

2009-09-17 11:49:34   I added information about real computer being unaffiliated with other stores and basically restated what your comments on the page says. Can you please remove your comment? I feel it is very out of place and that it is information that no one needs. —RealComputers

2009-09-21 20:12:21   I figured as much after looking at some ips, I was gonna let you know tomorrow but your fast —StevenDaubert

2009-09-21 23:32:31   I just wanted to stop by and thank you for all the hard work you're doing keeping the wiki flowing smoothly. I figure you don't do it for praise or anything, I just wanted to let you know that many people appreciate it. Myself included. —MasonMurray I concur wholeheartedly with the previous statement —StevenDaubert

  • Thanks. We're all in it together, and everybody adds what they can (with only a very few exceptions over the past years). :) -jw

2009-09-22 15:06:09   Thanks! I'll put each map with their respective areas and such once I'm satisfied enough :-) These were the kinds of maps I would have loved to have had during my apartment hunt in Davis. —RyanMikulovsky

2009-09-23 03:27:31   Books are nice, but isn't the sign in front of the building inherently more authoritative? Maybe there is some cartography cabal of ucd eggheads who are plotting to correct the sign someday soon? :) I think its especially funny whatever the consensus becomes here on the wiki, that its our very own picture contradicting us. I guess thats life with wiki... —NickSchmalenberger

2009-09-23 04:02:25   Seriously though, we have often made decisions on the wiki to rename a page based on a sign in a picture on the page. If the sign is maintained by an authority on the topic of the page (business owner, university administration) then it is authoritative information on the topic. Which doesn't mean anybody needs to pay attention or care about the authority as such, so we should ultimately explain the whole issue and let people decide fully informed. —NickSchmalenberger

2009-09-23 08:09:38   Actually the fact that they were able to address me by name while hiding behind a pseudonym and only added profanity sort of proves my point. —JasonAller

2009-09-23 19:15:16   thanks, i'll get some more photos up when i finally decide to bring my camera back out with me. —guero

2009-09-25 14:58:22   I wanted to post this on the correct page for developers, but I can't remember what the page is called. This is a method of reducing the impact of malicious users like the ones we've had recently...

Perhaps each time you get reverted by a gnome, you lose the ability to edit for some amount of time. That time starts very small, but doubles each time. Over time, if you are good and don't get reverted, your penalty gets reduced. If you start a revert war and get reverted by gnomes frequently, you'll automagically lose your editing ability for quite some time, and the revert war will die almost immediately. —IDoNotExist

2009-09-25 23:18:30 might be right. But wouldn't a gnome who reverts maliciously themselves be reverted, or become degnomified? The penalty system requires trust in a small number of people who have known non-malicious behavior. Someone who violates that trust would rapidly not be considered worthy of the penalty producing power. —IDoNotExist

2009-09-26 06:25:23 could call it something else then. Something that refers to people who have proven themselves trustworthy over time. Snapes or Griffens, perhaps. ;-) —IDoNotExist

2009-10-04 16:07:38   Why no, I hadn't heard of "Blackmore's Night" but thanks for the tip. —DougWalter

2009-10-06 11:38:30   Aha. So that's where I should put such sightings. Excellent! —RyanMikulovsky

2009-10-06 16:51:15   Hi Evan, do you have any leads for web design work for a small business in Davis? I've got someone who has three CDs of web info./pics/files that never made it onto a webpage, and he'd like to get it up and running. Have domain name. Need new web host. Suggestions? —TimQuick

2009-10-07 12:03:05   Thanks Evan! OK, I called Bill Kendrick - looked him up in phone book 'cause no contact info. on his Wiki profile, hope I got right number. Will take suggestions if you have any more. BTW, love the alternate universe version sock puppet on your user page - makes me laugh every time. —TimQuick

2009-10-07 18:12:56   We tryed to hyper link the portfolio we just uploaded to our website at and we dont know how to do it. Example.. when you click on Jordan Mitchell portfolio, we want it to take you to jordan's portfolio on the urban body website. Thanks! —UrbanBodyStaff

2009-10-12 23:12:38   Perhaps this page should be black holed, too? It seems a bit beyond fair use quotations. —CovertProfessor

2009-10-13 15:57:02   I understand. —CovertProfessor

2009-10-18 16:51:33   Well, I got it 2-3 weeks ago, before seasonal flu had hit. It started with a rapidly developing fever (which eventually peaked around 103), and also body aches and general fatigue. I talked to an advice nurse through Kaiser, and she said that it was basically assured it was swine flu. They are actually discouraging folk from coming in, unless it's an emergency, so I have a feeling that the incidence rate is grossly underreported. —JoePomidor

2009-10-28 11:20:00   I have a business license. Also, please dont remove info about price matching. I have sent comments to the user who left the comments about licensing on the RC page. If he for some reason feels that his comments need to be displayed even though RC despite the fact that I have a business license for real computers, let him voice it himself. —RealComputers

2009-10-28 11:29:41   You dont have to like me but please erspect my right to remove comments that are state un-true idea directed to hurt my business; especially if they are left by a random person and not someone who has been a customer of mine. I have a business license. If you dont believe me I can prove it to you. Preserving comments that say that I do not have a license is not only confusing but mean spirited and i think you already know that. I'll ask you to do the same as I asked covertprofessor, please stay out of events that have to do with me as much as possible. You dont need to protect people comments or edits without even giving the origional author a chance to do it themselve. You take the control away from the users and that is just not ok. If the user wants his comments maintained, he will indicate. Since they are untrue, I imagine that he would mine and if he does then he is perserving untrue comments purely to try a belittle my business. —RealComputers

2009-10-28 15:56:24   THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YEESH! —AdobeManagement

2009-10-28 16:00:30   What do you think of the pics i added? —RealComputers

2009-10-29 00:06:34   nice poem on the featured page — an original? —TimMatthiessen

2009-10-30 19:32:24   Sorry, I didn't see that you had banned him when I typed up my comment. I'll be surprised, though, if a 24 hour ban is enough. I really do think that he needs to be educated about what the wiki is for. But as you know, multiple people (including you) have tried to explain it to him multiple times. I don't know if he just doesn't get it or if he gets it and just doesn't care because his business is all that he cares about. This is the basis for my suggestion to give him some time to show that he gets the idea of the wiki without being allowed to edit the computer repair pages (though the sockpuppeting today was not promising in that regard), similar to the idea of putting him on probationary status. —CovertProfessor

2009-10-31 17:39:21   Cute! —PhilipNeustrom

2009-11-01 11:33:29   I like that noborder look. Is there a way to do text flow around an image? That could make the wiki really professional looking... —IDoNotExist

2009-11-02 08:24:32   Why did you delete your nice comment on the ILD page? —CovertProfessor

2009-11-02 09:27:24   Just in the interests of being precise, everything is copyrighted on the wiki. If it weren't, our licenses wouldn't work and people could do whatever they wanted with the content. —WilliamLewis

2009-11-02 09:51:47   To me, what makes Davis a "small town" is that when I meet someone new, that person generally knows other people I know, or I soon find out that I run into that same person elsewhere. While it's hard to get used to if you've never experienced it before (and I never had), overall I find it quite nice. Being a small town has its positives and negatives, just as being a large city does. Personally, I hate large cities. —CovertProfessor

2009-11-02 09:57:21   Hi Evan, I asked another administrator to archive the comments as all are references to previous management and are not pertinent. Are you able to archive them? If so, please do so. Thank you. —sritern

2009-11-02 13:40:31   Hi Evan, I asked another administrator to archive the comments as all are references to previous management and are not pertinent. Are you able to archive them? If so, please do so. Thank you. —sritern

"2009-11-2 22:17:59"   "Jabberwokky"? That looked so off-"k"ilter, and just weird, I've bestirred myself to let you know you've misspelled "Jabberwocky" (a poem about the "Jabberwock" actually—why you would nickname yourself for a poem about a burbling monster with eyes of flame is material for another comment) as in:

"`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves

Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:

All mimsy were the borogoves,

And the mome raths outgrabe.

"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!

The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!

Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun

The frumious Bandersnatch!"

He took his vorpal sword in hand:

Long time the manxome foe he sought —

So rested he by the Tumtum tree,

And stood awhile in thought.

And, as in uffish thought he stood,

The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,

Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,

And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! And through and through

The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!

He left it dead, and with its head

He went galumphing back.

"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?

Come to my arms, my beamish boy!

O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'

He chortled in his joy.

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves

Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;

All mimsy were the borogoves,

And the mome raths outgrabe."

—Sredni Vashtar

2009-11-03 11:22:08   What's your Kibo number? —CovertProfessor

2009-11-03 15:37:26   Sure, I'm glad to help. —NickSchmalenberger

2009-11-06 07:33:46   That guy spammed with 335 edits, but not to me :( I'm not interesting enough?! —EdWins

2009-11-06 08:11:23   I do wonder why spammers are such bad programmers. Do they think that everyone's (names) should be surrounded by parentheses? —IDoNotExist

2009-11-06 08:19:47   Ugh. Thanks for cleaning up that mess. —CovertProfessor

2009-11-06 10:33:54   Thanks, for cleaning up the spam. I saw a long list of edits and wonder what was going on. —SimonFung

2009-11-06 11:03:34   Thanks for cleaning up my page. I hadn't checked it in awhile. —BrookeB

2009-11-06 22:12:55   Thanks for the revert. Although Jessica did sound convincing :P —BrandonBarrette

2009-11-07 18:19:14   Eh, not really — I've just been paying attention to recent events and wanted the wiki to reflect what had happened a little better. But it's an excellent idea to have a "growth" page — obviously, an important issue here in the past and future, and I'll think about whether there are links to add. —CovertProfessor

2009-11-07 19:56:43   Yeah, you said "judicial action," so I figured this was fair game. I also figured that any peripheral development in Davis would be controversial. :-) —CovertProfessor

2009-11-07 20:05:08   Gotta go now, but found all kinds of good stuff here and here. —CovertProfessor

2009-11-07 21:17:53   I redirected the url, which I own, to I presume it won't be a problem. —JimStewart

2009-11-08 12:10:44   thanks for despammage! looks like lots of that going round. —IrinaChakraborty

2009-11-08 21:50:56   Thank you for fighting the good fight. —EdHenn

2009-11-09 11:23:46   Lol, thanks for catching that on Davis Enterprise. —NickSchmalenberger

2009-11-09 19:25:11   Gasp! My near and dear friend, you've erased her comment! How rude! ...but thank you, keep up the good work. —MichelleAccurso

2009-11-10 17:24:08   you're good. —MichelleAccurso

2009-11-10 18:14:46   Good quotes from you in the DE article. Too bad they couldn't mention the URL. —CovertProfessor

2009-11-10 20:10:26   Hey you seem to be an important man in DavisWiki (based upon my Bebearded Measurement Standard) and I was wondering if its okay to list myself as on the Ryan Slate in the Fall 2009 ASUCD Candidate/Election page? I don't like being in a pile of Indis —GreatRyan

2009-11-11 10:07:09   Thanks for cleaning up the spam on my page, Jb. I really appreciate all you do here! Hope things are going well in PA. I wonder if sometime (when you have a minute—hah!) you could help me reorganize/clean up the front page on my "Christian Music Central" My goal is for it to be a place where Christian music fans can link to their favorite songs, esp on YouTube. At this point it's not very user friendly. If you have any ideas I'd sure appreciate it! —RichLindvall

2009-11-12 17:51:43   Hehehe, thank you. So do you have IPv6 yet? —NickSchmalenberger

2009-11-16 14:38:40   Hi Mr. Edwards, I am new to this community project and I have now just read your multiple offers to help. I saw a comment about, "Please clean my basement. Thank you. ;)" in response to my first comment and that really deterred me from this whole project with the harsh words. I can see how my request may have been odd and I apologize if it was too demanding. The intention was never that. I really appreciate your follow up, volunteering and effort as I am a beginner and have limited capabilities. The new manager is Professional Home Builders as of March 2009. If it is not too much trouble, I thank you for your offer to assist in archiving. —sritern

2009-11-18 20:18:34   Thanks for cleaning up my page! —ChristineLim

2009-11-25 08:01:17   I think Scott was asking what are the hours for Subway downtown. I'll try to find out if I remember. —NickSchmalenberger

2009-11-28 14:36:50   Am I the only one getting really horrible response times from the wikiserver? —IDoNotExist

2009-12-01 13:59:48   You editors do good work!

:) —GreatRyan

2009-12-03 17:48:04   Why aren't you editing? We like what you do! —IDoNotExist

  • Agreed! Your voice and edits are very much needed around here. And we've all gotten a bit of negative feedback — that's par for the course as editors disagree, right? —CovertProfessor
    • Thanks for the support. There was a person who was quite thoughtfully negative about the work of active editors (and has been for quite awhile), and so I've been thinking "how will this change be perceived" rather than "how can I make this entry better" when I click edit, and that's not a good mindset to contribute with. I'm not worried about it; I'm not swearing off the wiki or anything. I'm just taking it slow for a bit. -jw
      • Well, we all need our occasional slow periods. But remember that not everyone may have agreed with the criticism you received. —cp

2009-12-03 22:46:42   Has the ban on Brian been lifted? —IDoNotExist

  • And if so, did it come with conditions? I for one really need to see him editing pages other than the page for his company. I think I'll have to go away from the wiki for awhile myself if he starts obsessively fiddling, fiddling, fiddling with that page and the general computer repair page again. —CovertProfessor
    • That's pretty much up to the community and what it will tolerate. Yes, his account is off the ban list. I'm loathe (but not unwilling) to enforce a permanent ban on a member of the Davis community who seems to not be malicious or willfully ignorant and who has not prompted a clear and active community consensus for a permanent ban. An increasing length of time to temporary bans will admittedly turn into a de facto permanent ban. As a side note, I also removed three CA Comcast IPs from the block list. -jw
      • I agree that he's shown little sign of maliciousness. Whether he is willfully ignorant... well, we shall see. —cp

2009-12-04 16:15:32   Thanks for removing the spam on my user page from 11/6. I don't visit DWiki that much anymore. —TusharRawat

2009-12-05 02:30:16   First get treated, then edit the wiki. You can't revert yourself. Hope you feel better. —IDoNotExist

  • Thanks. It was a quick edit on the way out the door as I was standing there while Sarah collected a few things. I was trying to keep things lighthearted while I was in pain. I just walked back in the door, having had a CAT scan and an IV with morphine and some other pain med. Turns out that, yes, it was a kidney stone, and I'll be fine. I also had an infection, so I've got some minor followup scheduled. It's been an utterly amazingly painful couple of hours, and it's something I'll never wish on anybody else. I also now seriously respect how well pain medication works (and how wonderful my wife is). In short: Kidney stones BAD. -jw

2009-12-13 18:12:01   Thanks. On the Solo Dining link being removed, I had assumed it had just gotten removed during the revert from the other spam posts, but thanks for the how-to on checking the changelog. I figured I should re-add it to the main page so hopefully more people will see it in the long-term and contribute to it, but I understand where you guys are coming from. If it gets reverted out, that's fine. Cheers! —H4rry

2009-12-22 17:36:12   contain yourself —StevenDaubert

2009-12-22 17:54:04   contain yourself —StevenDaubert

2009-12-31 09:33:57   I think we've seen baba car spam before. Definitely stuff about "car hire" and such. —WilliamLewis

2010-01-01 23:58:01   what do you think of the morning glory spillway page? Call it morbid curiosity...


2010-01-02 22:04:17   I think it's a neat page that a bunch of people came together to make (all the content) and it's an interesting article to point out to print / old media for an nice example of what the wiki can do

or not —StevenDaubert

2010-01-07 21:59:40   Thanks. I'm trying. Not quite there yet, it seems. :-) —CovertProfessor

2010-01-10 13:18:02   Why link to frozen yogurt on the businesses that sell ice cream, rather than ice cream? —CovertProfessor

2010-01-10 17:45:48   Thank you! It just occurred to me that there is also gelato. Do you think we need a frozen desserts page, or is that overkill? I did create a desserts page awhile back, but that is pretty bare bones, so maybe frozen desserts is overkill. —CovertProfessor

2010-01-10 18:51:59   Right, I created that dessert page. Just forgotten what I'd called it. See, dessert is high priority. As far as I am concerned, it is relevant to all the wiki pages. But I make an effort to control myself. —CovertProfessor

2010-01-10 19:50:33   Ah, ok. I think I misunderstood *your* original motivation. When I saw you linking to "frozen yogurt" from businesses whose primary product is ice cream, I thought "ah, JW thinks that someone looking for ice cream might also be interested in frozen yogurt." (I see now that that was not your intent — I think I missed the first comment that you left on my page today). So then I thought, well, if you are interested in ice cream, you might also be interested in gelato — or, more generally, given interest any one of them, you might be interested in the other two.

So, now that I've done it, what do you think? It makes sense to me from the point of view of someone looking for something sweet and cold on a hot summer day. —CovertProfessor

2010-01-10 20:33:51   I think it makes sense the way it is now, my original puzzlement notwithstanding. I think it's clear enough that it's just a general comment about where to find more info on the cold, sweet stuff. Plus it appeals to my sense of fairness that each points to the others. Maybe it's because I wouldn't mind, e.g., someone looking at the Baskin Robbin's page discovering that there is a really cool gelato place just a couple of blocks away. —CovertProfessor

2010-01-12 08:13:40   Did you mean a new person might prefer to use a comment box on kimthegoodtwin? I don't disagree, but I'm curious. —NickSchmalenberger

2010-01-13 18:09:15   Perhaps this is from a work computer at that place, but Jacqueline is editing from the same IP as former noted shills/sockpuppets such as this person who had a small convo (of some sort) with Jason, and this account. —EdWins

2010-01-13 18:18:54   I added a comment to the talk page to make it a bigger discussion within the community - my assumption is that it's likely a shared work computer, as there's actually three other editors with single-purpose accounts coming from it. Guess I thought of sharing with you first since you always do the hard-to-do personal outreach. Cheers! —EdWins

2010-01-15 16:33:00   Thanks. Given the comments on the other pages, it seems like there is some hope for him/her becoming a more productive wikizen. —CovertProfessor

JabberWokky publishes and syndicates coupons for a living (using a wiki engine, no less)... and so is staying out of ["Bounty and Savings/Talk" this discussion] (at least directly). But he thinks it's interesting to watch, and is curious nobody has raised the fact1 that the links are more designed to promote a secondary resource (the blog) rather than linking to the actual coupons and therefore connecting the community entry to the resource (coupon) itself. With DLM, there is direct value from interviews and research (a la an Enterprise, SNR or SacBee link). This is more like linking to an LJ post that links to an SNR article.

2010-01-19 09:30:45   Hello. I have a small favor to ask. I added a small bit of info to the real computers page next to my phone number and I was hoping you could edit it to make the format/asthetics better, as I dont really know how to do that and I figure it would only take you a second. If you go to the real computer page you will see what I mean. —RealComputers

2010-01-19 10:13:59   Heh — I know the feeling. Enjoy the well-deserved nap. —CovertProfessor

2010-01-21 11:58:21   I haven't played CCGs since elementary school. I though "premiere" might have some official significance, too, so I googled. The first few hits were all about Drom's. It's apparently their language and their's alone, although I suppose I could have looked harder. —WilliamLewis

2010-01-21 12:21:10   Hello. I have an ussie that I would like some help with. Recently a customer left a comment/review on the real computer site that states that I deleted a years worth of data from her computer. This is 100% untrue however, I saved all of her files and infact still have them on my computer. She thinks that I deleted her e-mails but in reality she just needed to set-up outlook again. This person is just old and knows basically nothing about computers, and there fore left a completely inaccurate account of what happened to her computer. I do not have this customers phone number or I would call her, explain the situation to her and ask her to remove her comment, and I dont think she is ever going to log in to daviswiki to see that I replied to her commment. I was hoping I could remove it from the page. If she does log in again and decides to re-add it the I will not touch it but I dont think I should have to preserve a customers rant about how little confused they are, which is all this is because the customers documents were backed up in full including her e-mails. basically I am asking because I feel that it would be totally fine to remove because in reality I did save all of her data and can prove it, but I dont want to start and edit war here so please let me know your opinion on this. —RealComputers

2010-01-21 12:25:23   High maintenance maintenance. Beware... —IDoNotExist

2010-01-21 12:29:26   I did reply and explain the situation but I still dont think that it needs to remain. It is simply a canse where a customer was confused about what happened to her computer, but I did not delete any of her data and I dont want other customers to think that that might happen. It has never happened. I mean, it is 100% untrue .. I really think I should be able to remove it. Its not to anyone benifit to have to read through the the whole thing because if they do they will just find that a customer was confused and thats all. Its not helpful info to anyone, But I was going to add some info in its place. Some kind of warning to people that if they have me reinstall windows on their computer, that means they will have to reconfigure a lot of stuff even though their files are all saved. Thats really all that could be benificial from this occurance. —RealComputers

2010-01-21 17:05:03   Yeah, I'm not in a rush re: Wes' editorial on my comment. —rfrazier

2010-01-21 19:51:03   Hey thanks for the nice note! I love creating pages for people who have been so influential to D-Town. But I am still such a WikiNoob. Like...isn't there a tag for signing and time-stamping my comments? If there is I don't know it. — WillArnoldWillArnold

2010-01-21 19:52:46   * Nope! it happens automatically! I teach myself good! —WillArnold

2010-01-25 11:37:27   Don't do to Droms what you won't do to Bizarro World. He became upset that some Wikivolunte3er posted a link to the Droms Page on His, so it's removed and now you continually add a link to his page on Droms. Knock it off. Anyone who visits my personal page will see that I state my experience with both locations, I don't think it needs any links on either of the other pages to express this. —WesOne

2010-01-25 11:55:52   Apologies for the snark. I admit that I didn't respond well to being called a non-person. Having witnessed the back and forth, I felt that a positive statement of the facts was the best way to go and was shocked to accused of anything for it. 2000 would be a little bit before my time. I've been a certified Magic Judge since 2004. My name is Riki Hayashi and if you dig around on the Internet you will find that have written over 150 articles on the game for various strategy sites. Most recently those articles have pertained to the judging side of things, and in that vein I find that using precise terminology is very important to avoid confusion and to educate players. Given that many Magic players will recognize me as Risky, I chose to emphasize the things like officiating that would resonate with my I picked up the nickname Risky sometime around 2000-01. I think I started using it as my online name around 2002. Many Magic players who I've gotten to know first through the Internet call me Risky. I'm looking forward to contributing more to this wiki because I've been in this town for 20 years now and unless something dramatic happens, I'll be here for the foreseeable future. —Risky

2010-01-25 20:41:58   Brent is uploading pictures he should have uploaded years ago. —BrentLaabs

2010-01-25 23:28:59   London's Fish and Chips was London's Fish and Chips when I went by it on Wednesday night. Mmmm photographic evidence is necessary at this point. (And I'll add it if nobody beats me to it) —WilliamLewis

2010-01-26 14:15:02   Worst. Swingers. Ever. —rfrazier

2010-01-26 14:57:09   I'm having all sorts of errors trying to save changes and on quick replies today. I assumed it was something my browser (chrome) was doing wrong. —EdWins

2010-01-26 15:31:26   I'm going to see if I can find the info I saved from back during the Target campaign. I know the proponents made a big deal out of the LEED certification, and we didn't think that Silver was really that much to brag about. But I want actual data. I agree it would be a useful topic! —DonShor

2010-01-26 15:31:51   I will find out his exact retire date. I'm not sure as to when the transition happened or as to how interim the new chair is. —CarlosBarahona

2010-01-26 17:49:13   Can't face Recent Changes right now... Gnome strength fading... —JasonAller

2010-01-27 11:43:09   I understood the joke, hence my comment about geek cred. I still found it a bit irksome. —JohnathanQuigley

2010-01-27 11:50:00   By the way— sorry if this is a bit of a contrary post, but I have a pet peeve regarding people who think any joke, however lacking in wit or inventiveness, is funny, so long as it involves a reference with a sufficiently narrow audience. I see the humor in the 2600 joke, and if it were the only one you'd tried to explain to me I wouldn't be here, but I remember feeling a similar annoyance when you came to my page to explain the Wishburger joke. I also got that one, but the joke wasn't really relevent— the fact is, the information regarding the "wishburger" was inaccurate, and a wishburger was never a secret item on the In-n-Out menu (regardless of how funny it would be if it were.) I let that one go at the time to avoid seeming like an ass, but I hope you'll understand I don't want this to be a regular thing, you explaining helpfully that things are "funny" because they're a reference to something else. —JohnathanQuigley

2010-01-27 17:27:47   Ah... again. I'm sorry. I'd say let's start over, but I'll probably be an ass again in the future sometime, so we'll just start over after that one :P Not that I like being an ass, but you know... I haven't figured out a good way not to be once in awhile. Anyway, as you seem to be already aware, my generation generally regards "geek" as a neutral or even positive quality, and that's how I meant it in my discussion page; it hadn't occurred to me that it would be considered an insult. And thank you and anyone who helped you for your work on the featured page. It's not the reason I'm apologizing, but it's awesome nonetheless. As far as the name of the school, it is Montessori Country Day (I haven't read the talk page and only skimmed the feature, it looks like you got some of it figured out after your last post on my page). I don't know much about it other than what I found on the web; I emailed my friend who has children there and asked her to either edit the page or send me more information about it, if she knows anything. So... time to relax a little bit and stop complaining about everyone, I guess. Thanks again, and again I apologize to you and everyone else I was an ass to, and I will do my best to be more civil in the future. —JohnathanQuigley

2010-01-28 08:36:43   I'm sorry you disagree with me. That edit comment is completely appropriate as Brian's actions are outrageous. Brian has had contempt for the wiki and the editing process for a long time. As far as I am concerned now, Brian is a persona non gratia. —WilliamLewis

2010-01-28 08:39:47   And by the way, a personal attack would be something like calling him a moron, which I didn't do. —WilliamLewis

2010-01-28 08:40:03   Hello. Sorry to bother you but I would like to list myself in the free section of computer repair, just as myself (Brian Tangney, not as real computers. William Lewis is bent on preventing this and based on the past I dont think trying to deal with him directly will be of much good. Can you please weigh in your opinion on this? I really do help lots of people for free over the phone without ever making any money. Its not a marketing tactic. —RealComputers

2010-01-28 09:05:10   William Lewis is saying that I need to remove prices from the RC wiki page Do I rewally need to do that? There are only 3 or 4 listed and they are the most common repairs, and I think that makes it pretty relevent. —RealComputers

2010-01-28 10:26:06   Do you realize you just asked me not to remove the services from a different computer repair page but blocked me for trying to preserve them on the RC page? —RealComputers

2010-01-28 12:01:10   History has shown that this is not going to change. He either does not understand what people are trying to tell him, or does not want to change. I don't think that anything is likely to improve this situation at this point. —IDoNotExist

2010-01-28 14:33:49   Thanks for the kind words! It's been a lot of fun getting more involved. I used to use the wiki mostly to get information. I hope Jason won't kill me, but I was one of those people who used it essentially as a Yelp clone. Now that I consider myself to be more of a Davisite, though, rather than a student, I'm a lot more interested in being involved with the community... as a community. It's also a great way to keep up with local events and issues. And new restaurants! —TomGarberson

2010-01-29 13:45:28   It seems that william lewis is the only person that has an issue with a list of services on the RC page, no one else seems to mind but if you will unlock the page I will condense the list and this can be done with. —RealComputers

2010-01-29 16:46:19   This is VERY late, but thanks for the page clean-up! Much appreciated. —JoeyChen

2010-01-29 21:38:01   Now that is 2600 enough for me. —WilliamLewis

2010-01-29 22:16:53   My thoughts, exactly. I'll be very disturbed if we cave on this. —CovertProfessor

2010-01-30 08:57:58   Yo. Respectfully I am wondering if there is something you are wating for in regards to the RC page. All the discussion about it has stoped and it seems like for the most part people dont have a problem with the service being listed at all but a few people have said it could be a little shorter. —RealComputers

2010-01-30 09:09:03   I just noticed ur discussion about Bizzaro World. I do not envy the task you guys have of maintaining the wiki with everyones different opinions of how its supposed to work. Guess the RC page is not the only page that gets debated like this. I'll try to keep the cause for debate as minimal as possible =) —RealComputers

2010-01-30 14:01:08   Sorry to upset you. I had only intended for my last comment to be friendly. —RealComputers

2010-01-30 21:31:40   I'm happy to make the statement, but I'm not quite sure what you're asking for. My proposal would be to return to version 132. —CovertProfessor

2010-01-30 22:56:57   Yeah, that one is fine with me. I just didn't know how you envisioned this proposal going. —CovertProfessor

2010-01-31 17:12:50   At the least, cant the RC page remain locked with the content still there? Just lock it without the service listed until we finish this discussion if needed. Is this an unreasonable request? —RealComputers

2010-01-31 22:00:36   I asked around a little and didn't get any recommendations for other browser-based IRC clients. One of these days I'll stop being lazy and hop on there. I'm just so comfortably insulated in my Chrome bubble that going back to Firefox seems somehow... dirty. Not that dirty is necessarily a bad thing! —TomGarberson

2010-02-01 23:59:59   Awesome Groundhog Day logo! —TomGarberson

2010-02-02 19:05:34   Hey there; I wanted to make a wiki page that links from my business page so I can post photos and bios about my staff and photos of our office. before I spend a bunch of time doing this, I would like to ask if this is an appropriate thing to do. I was hoping I could do it like a tab at the top of the page like the talk page, I dont know how to create another tab for the business page. do you think that is a good idea or is it not really the sort of think the wiki is for, I think people would like to see photos of the staff and have a bit more info about the practice but I dont want it to look cluttered. —DagonJones

2010-02-03 00:38:08   Okay, your Proposal for a Radical Change cracked me up. Thank you for that. Also... do you ever sleep? :P —MichellePalmer

2010-02-03 00:40:30   When I am a really old guy I intend to mumble stories about ALL the old trees in town between slurps of metamucil. —DonShor

2010-02-03 08:30:37   The d6 roller isn't working for me with Chrome. I just get those unknown character squares :( —TomGarberson

2010-02-03 10:37:22   Yes! Thanks! —TomGarberson

2010-02-03 16:48:39   Oh, I hate that usage. How about "got your game on?" "What's in a game?" "games davisites play" "here's how to game in davis" ("here's how to game davis"?) —CovertProfessor

2010-02-03 17:11:17   I could not decide which looked neater. —hankim

2010-02-03 18:55:42   Thanks for the info, and thanks for fixing it! It looks all purty right there on the page. You know... in an XKCD kinda way. —TomGarberson

2010-02-04 14:26:55   Very well said on the BW talk page. You oughta consider saving that somewhere to pull out again in the future should it become relevant. —TomGarberson

Agreed. Too bad he still doesn't seem to be getting it. —cp

2010-02-05 00:04:29   Thanks for help with my list. I couldn't figure out how to do that. —LawReview

2010-02-05 17:39:49   Wow, your edit is now one of my all time favorite replies! That one made me laugh a bit :) —EdWins

2010-02-05 19:56:47   Editing by phone... that sounds torturous (until someone makes that cool wikispot iphone app...). Hope Berkeley works out for you! —CovertProfessor

2010-02-06 15:38:29   Yeah — you think we should put 'em back? —CovertProfessor

2010-02-06 19:37:11   Sarah and I had Chinese for dinner. Fortune cookie: "Not just live and let live... but live and HELP live." —JabberWokky

2010-02-07 12:37:22   I would just imagine that if a place is doing true slow barbecue they can probably cook some wings on a bbq instead of fry them as well. Wings to me are Q'd and not fried. Baking can work if you really want to cheat —StevenDaubert

2010-02-09 09:02:58   I understand. I agree that the current discussion wasn't productive — off in different directions and about hypothetical edits. So, I hope discussion does indeed end, although as I'm sure you've seen by now I replaced the page as a placeholder for the future. —CovertProfessor

2010-02-09 18:33:58   I think that the page needs some reorganizing. The general information should stay at the top, then the history and depledging information, and finally the pros and cons. I started trying to organize everything in my head and realized that this might take longer than I originally planned because some of the information there is in need of citation, which might be difficult because proving that the organization really did bring about their successes is not very easy (of course removing the ones that cannot be proven I feel would reflect my personal bias). This is going to be some fun internal conflict. —hankim

"2010-02-11 12:03:23"   Herewith, previously cut, but now permanently re-enshrined, Lewis Carroll's riff on your wiki-handle —SredniVashtar JABBERWOCKY (from Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There, 1872)

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves

Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:

All mimsy were the borogoves,

And the mome raths outgrabe.

"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!

The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!

Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun

The frumious Bandersnatch!"

He took his vorpal sword in hand:

Long time the manxome foe he sought —

So rested he by the Tumtum tree,

And stood awhile in thought.

And, as in uffish thought he stood,

The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,

Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,

And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! And through and through

The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!

He left it dead, and with its head

He went galumphing back.

"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?

Come to my arms, my beamish boy!

O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'

He chortled in his joy.

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves

Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;

All mimsy were the borogoves,

And the mome raths outgrabe.

2010-02-11 19:02:27   slow and steady wins the wiki race, huh? ok, i'll replace the apartment template and keep plugging away. —KemblePope

2010-02-12 09:18:58   Your right about the tea list, I didnt notice that they didnt capitalize (on purpose I guess) btw. I thought it would be interesting to note that there was a band by the name of "Blade Fetish" in my hometown of Santa Barbara, they only had one album entitled "Absinthe" (around 1993) and they had a song called Jabberwokky where they just sang the lyrics to the poem to music. The music is droning goth heavy metal, but still a pretty interesting song. See if you can find an mp3 on the internet, if not I could try to email it to you. I always did like the poem, it is the only poem I ever took the time to memorize. I hope you have also seen the Terry Gilliam movie "Jabberwokky" I was always fond of that film. —DagonJones

2010-02-12 13:09:26   I thought it was strange to have 2 k's. You should see Dr. Parnassus, it is very very good. I am an HUGE Tom Waits fan and he is just awesome as the devil. —DagonJones

2010-02-12 13:10:47   Thanks for the template thoughts... I'll try to reign in my OCD impulses and let the creativity flow more often —KemblePope

2010-02-13 17:11:57   you know you like my alternate addy —StevenDaubert

2010-02-15 12:22:21   Apparently, they were a fallen star... —IDoNotExist

2010-02-15 18:28:00   I think that's a real wildcard... —IDoNotExist

2010-02-19 12:14:18   I liked "clam down" much better... —DavidGrundler

2010-02-19 20:04:54   Wow. If only we had a page on the effort to bring Google's lightpipes to Davis! —IDoNotExist

2010-02-19 20:15:41   Ugh...why does the page keep changing into different pages? —IDoNotExist

2010-02-20 15:07:59   Where did the rest of the content go? Many of the ideas that were on the first page are now not on either page...(such as the proposed uses and advantages for Davis) —IDoNotExist

2010-02-20 15:16:01   Can you add the ones that are not duplicated elsewhere back in...somewhere?

Thanks for your help! —IDoNotExist

2010-02-20 15:20:21   Sorry...didn't see that you were still working on it. I'm popping in and out at random... —IDoNotExist

2010-02-20 15:55:04   I'm sorry, I didn't understand how you were going about the merges. Please continue and I won't interfere. —foo

2010-02-21 10:08:32   I was only keeping half an eye on the fun yesterday... am I right in thinking that people were giving you such a hard time that the edits to the Google Fiber pages were never completed? —CovertProfessor

  • I hope so. He deserves it for trying to fix a big mess. Stupid JW and his stupid solving of problems. Needs more drama! —TomGarberson

2010-02-21 11:10:17   Do you mean that you want to delete what was the original page? (At this point, I'm not totally sure what page is which any more.) There was a lot of coordination being done there between Wikifolk, the Chamber of Commerce, and the City Council. (See KemblePope's comments.) It's important to keep that going, otherwise, we may lose much of the momentum and coordination that we had... —IDoNotExist

2010-02-21 11:21:25   I'd say you took the right approach to it. Get the process started of getting things condensed and reorganized. If there are issues with the content and organization after, they can be addressed, but we were all kind of at a stalemate before you did the redirects and condensing. Consensus that the setup was really bad doesn't fix the setup! Kind of reminds me of the tax code... —TomGarberson

2010-02-21 11:28:32   Oh, I didn't mean that stuff. You had mentioned to Covert that you might delete the talk page in a few days (I *think* the talk page is what the original page now is?) —IDoNotExist

2010-02-21 12:47:36   Ahhh...OK. I didn't realize that it had been split like that. Got lost in all the changes... —IDoNotExist

2010-02-21 13:58:43   Well, thank you for doing all that, and I'm sorry that an already difficult task was made more difficult. I was a bit lost before you started and got even more lost due to the cross-edits. Seems as though someone has control issues. Anyway, as you say, it looks like it's all there now, or if anything is missing, I'm sure we can recreate it. —CovertProfessor

2010-02-21 14:26:31   "Bizarro World/Talk Page deleted".... is it really true? Or is it going to rise up again like the living dead?! —DonShor

2010-02-21 15:19:26   I just had to comment that this load of your page resulted in 2 AlysonMorgans in the random people section. What're the odds? —BrettHall

2010-02-22 02:16:10   al ka seltz er —StevenDaubert

2010-02-23 09:57:28   Jason, JW: Kemble Pope has asked us to determine who should attend the first Google Fiber steering committee meeting, which will be held on March 3rd. The representative will not be coming to speak *for* the Wiki, but should be able to take a leadership role in directing the Wiki effort. —IDoNotExist

2010-02-23 14:56:22   Maybe Polly is still using the name? —CovertProfessor

2010-02-23 21:52:13   On the ask the wiki page, you wanted to know what businesses have benefited from the wiki. My practice; Dagon H.C. Jones, DDS has gotten (and continues to get)a lot of new patients from the wiki. btw we keep track of how people heard about our practice if anyone is interested in how many new patients were referred by the wiki. —DagonJones

2010-02-23 23:33:31   Wasn't there a better page than Wiki Community/Archiving Comments that had instructions on Archiving? I couldn't find it. —JasonAller

2010-02-24 11:32:37   My wording is more a response to Jason's boilerplate that leaves open the possibility of using business account names, even if it discourages their use. I know it's coming and it is far, far too weak. Has anyone actually read it, closed their account, and edited under a RealName? Perhaps I haven't been paying close enough attention, but I haven't seen it.

I'm with Don, though, in that I believe that anonymous editing is generally (there are exceptions, like IDNE and CP) far, far worse. I don't even know where to begin to deal with that, however. —WilliamLewis

2010-02-24 14:10:56   Indeed!CovertProfessor

2010-02-25 15:14:19   Can you give me a quick lesson on IP assumptions? If user A is posting from, and user B is posting from, does the 192.168.1.XXX mean they're on the same, shared network? Was looking through some user accounts and noticed there's some linkage in a few people. —EdWins

2010-02-25 15:33:49   The IP stuff confuses me. I saw some people go from to 68.124 then the next edit was 68.125, etc. Or 101.100.20 and 101.100.21, similar stuff but not at the last part. —EdWins

2010-02-25 15:44:22   You are too quick for me! —hankim

2010-02-25 16:16:22   Fastest man alive?hankim

2010-02-25 17:10:56   I tried watching Smallville and Birds of Prey, did not like either very much. Neither felt very superheroish. —hankim

2010-02-26 14:43:16   Thanks for the fluoride communist mind control image, that was a cool pic. —DagonJones

2010-02-26 14:44:37   ^ Yeah, loving that picture. Nice find! —EdWins

2010-03-01 07:54:25   Mmmm tasty dead pig. =) —WilliamLewis

2010-03-01 13:25:11   Thanks for your input. I should have known that there must be a page for "people's vanguard of davis" ("The people's vanguard of davis"). It seem to me that a "people's vanguard of davis" redirect is missing if someone were to type it in the URL. —BruceHansen

2010-03-01 18:19:45   Hey, thanks so much for the feedback! That's a really inspiring way to look at it! I really like your perspective and positivism and vision, cool to find that embraced by the community here, makes me proud to be a part. Might have more questions for you as I learn to navigate from that vantage point. —Carl

2010-03-02 08:37:43   It is odd how quick people jump to either "wiki cop" or "wiki overlord." There probably is some significance in terms of interactions and encounters - it can't be a mere coincidence that these phrases are jumped to so quickly (or even frequently) by independent, separate editors. I feel bad for a gnome when I see him try so hard. —EdWins

2010-03-02 13:30:08   Ha! And thanks! —WesHardaker

2010-03-02 16:25:03   Thanks for your thoughts, I haven't had direct personal experience in publishing yet (though I've been watching colleagues go through the hoopla) but I absolutely share the concern over the "what 24 hour cable news did to journalism" effect! Well put. I'm also holding out hope for any author-title position on a Cell or Nature paper during my time here <.< All I need is one good set experiments, right?! With buckets of luck for funky, replicable, novel results >.< —EdWins

2010-03-03 10:12:27   At least their spam is aesthetically pleasing. They're also in NY and LA! That's more local than the UK, right?! —EdWins

2010-03-04 08:40:15   I think we should let S delete all of his edits, except where removing them does violence to a page (e.g., by making a hole in the conversation). Most of them are vandalism/trolling, and the wiki is better off without them. —CovertProfessor

2010-03-04 09:46:56   Well, he's done this before under this name, I know. I have this faint hope that he really is leaving. —CovertProfessor

2010-03-04 16:51:56   Agreed. Similar stinging-eye effect. —CovertEngineer

2010-03-06 11:26:21   Thanks for helping! Hahaha :D I appreciate it a lot... I'm a big noob at this x) —ERALanke

2010-03-07 12:23:02   Thanks, You know what I'm referring to; most others won't I suppose. ' will be more thorough with inconsistent wiki content. I happened to see Sub Genius here. I knew Rev. Buck Naked in Dallas, TX. —BruceHansen

2010-03-07 21:02:10   Absolutely true. In this case, I think I'm going to go ahead and post, but, aside from answering questions about my thoughts on it, I think that'll finish up what I've got to say on the topic. I started treating it as an argument, which simply isn't necessary. —TomGarberson

2010-03-07 21:28:05   It's done... please don't hate me! —TomGarberson

2010-03-07 21:59:31   That's a good idea, I'll definitely take a stab at that page in a few weeks... or whenever I remember, anyway. —TomGarberson

2010-03-07 23:50:49   I do remember the discussion, and for a while I wasn't sure it was my place to say anything. I always worry I'm just being protective of my business. But honestly, there are soooo many good salons in Davis, I can't think what they offer that can't be had here. As I said though, I don't care if it goes back in. —Davidlm

2010-03-08 15:54:51   No sweat. :-) —CovertProfessor

2010-03-08 16:16:12   did you just respond to your own question? —EdWins

2010-03-08 16:18:39   I've got a serious case of the giggles right now —TomGarberson

2010-03-09 08:23:12   Hahahaha! That was awesome! —TomGarberson

2010-03-09 10:48:34   Yeah, probably a good call. I agree that a ban probably isn't very likely. Besides, a slap to the back of the head for being a jackass would probably be more appropriate. —TomGarberson

2010-03-09 12:11:47   Before somebody says something, yes, I know it should be "replace file". —JabberWokky

2010-03-09 16:30:42   Oh noes! You beast! —TomGarberson

2010-03-09 21:17:15   I knew that California's lack of responsibility with its budget and overpowered unions did not help with California's budget crisis which led to decreased funds for the UC system and the article addresses this, but the article is still too easy on the UC administrators, in my opinion anyway since I also believe that the funds lost were supposed to be for research and this burden should not be placed on students ( ). —hankim

2010-03-09 21:38:46   Basically my only source for the research funds is, but the site seemed somewhat reliable. I guess right now I want an education that is just cheap so I tend to stick with lower student fees at the expense of researchers. Do the rankings also account for private grants as well or just the funds provided by the university? —hankim

2010-03-09 23:58:03   Heh at that point I was just trying to give sredni a chuckle when he came across it. —TomGarberson

2010-03-10 10:54:40   This cracked me up! —TomGarberson

2010-03-10 10:55:20   Thanks! —TomGarberson

2010-03-10 11:14:17   I know - I want to figure this out because the ARC supervisor says they drop off a ton every week. The Police station guy said they don't take them, even though there is one or two in the "Lost" online system. I'm just afraid the police station will shut me down and ignore me. But it's an interesting question... —ChristyMarsden

2010-03-10 13:03:55   I understand, I think we're all frustrated. FWIW, I thought it was funny, but perhaps not in a public-forum kind of way. —JoePomidor

2010-03-10 16:44:16   Guess this means that you're driving for an hour tonight:

2010-03-10 17:05:32   That fractured my bifocals! —DonShor

2010-03-10 17:17:43   If anything is going to push me off the reservation tonight, it's not going to be the f$¢k!νγ comment bar, but rather all this stupid talk about the protests. When is this nonsense going to settle down to the point where we can have some collaborative editing that isn't going to turn into an unreadable mess? It has just been suggested to me that the unreadable mess spanning four different pages might actually be considered content, even though nobody but the authors will ever want to read the bickering. The delete button on 3/4 of these pages is looking mighty tempting right about now.—WilliamLewis

2010-03-10 17:39:55   Do they not like Chinese food over there or something? —hankim

2010-03-10 18:02:19   Steaming burgers? That has to be like a sin or something. The exact opposite of deep frying Twinkies. —hankim

2010-03-10 18:06:31   Didn't think anyone would use it? That's what I excel at - doing the absurdly unexpected. Uselessly absurd even. You should see me "do science!" —EdWins

2010-03-10 21:26:24   I've been to Pennsylvania only once... I think. Eight grade East Coast trip. We basically only saw the Amish towns in the area though so none of the interesting things you mentioned. —hankim

2010-03-11 08:48:13   What's the point of moving the link out like this? —WilliamLewis

2010-03-11 09:25:14   Gah! Thanks for the catch. I was copy/pasting it and forgot to change it. Meant to ask each whether they had the early releases. —TomGarberson

2010-03-11 09:34:02   If they're no longer a premium store, according to what I've been reading on the intertubes, they probably don't have it early. But we'll see. —TomGarberson

2010-03-11 10:11:15   I apologize. I was definitely making light of it, but I meant no disrespect. —TomGarberson

2010-03-11 12:27:00   How did your dental visit go? —DagonJones

2010-03-14 05:28:12   ' see you're online by Lily's. I've been online for 2 1/2 hours. Davis Wiki pages take over a minute to resolve. —BruceHansen

2010-03-14 11:23:33   Thanks for the help with the Lily's pages. I wasn't sure how to handle the banner linking to the new store. But the reincarnation link was the icing on the cake. —CovertProfessor

2010-03-14 12:33:13   Any idea why the Wiki is running so slow (intermittently) lately? It's taking me up to a minute to load a single page most of the time today. Occasionally one will load quickly, but most are 15+ seconds. —TomGarberson

  • Edit: as soon as I write that, most pages start loading normally. Although, for some reason, Elizabeth's Pet Sitting is still consistently incredibly slow... is there something wonky in the page that's giving it problems, or just a strange coincidence? -tg

2010-03-14 12:45:35   A tale full of sound a fury... —IDoNotExist

2010-03-14 13:08:03   Seems to be OK now. I've been having intermittent problems for a couple weeks, though, so /shrug —TomGarberson

2010-03-14 13:31:05   I was having major slowness last night and this morning, but now it seems to be fine. —CovertProfessor

2010-03-14 18:15:58   Hello! Yes, Macbeth says, "'Tis a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing!" And IDoNotExist said something along those lines, just leaving out the "idiot" bit. ;-) I'm not a literature snob; I just happen to know a few lines. —Myself

2010-03-14 21:08:16   The Aggie has the taser story. Where did the CHP say they used drive stun before that? I only recall seeing the whole aimed but not deployed because of a malfunction thing. —WilliamLewis

  • I can not recall, but I distinctly remember it. Quite possibly the SacBee live reporting chat room, which I can not find (and may not be online, which seems stupid). "Using a taser" is a term subject to interpretation, as it generally means firing it, which they didn't do. On the flip side, it's highly questionable to say that none was used when one was used in drive stun mode. I wish we could find the actual press releases or primary statements. Bleah. -jw

2010-03-14 21:12:23   Today's paper, front page: "Contrary to its earlier accounts, the California Highway Patrol on Friday said an officer used a Taser on March 4 as police attempted to bar student protesters from Interstate 80. A UC Davis student on the receiving end of that shock says she understands police were within their rights, but questioned why the CHP first said no Tasers were used. She also said she feels sure other students were shocked with Tasers..." cont. on A11: ..."one officer used a Taser to shock a protester with a "drive stun": holding the weapon against the protester instead of firing darts and delivering the jolt through wires. The same officer later tried to use the Taser again, but it malfunctioned, Williford said."

The person shocked was identified as Natalie Nadimi, and the article says she "received jolts on the right arm, near her right ear and on her upper chest, she said. She fell down and had trouble catching her breath."

Ok, gotta go now... hope that helps. —CovertProfessor

  • Yes. Have you seen anywhere the original statement that the CHP issued that denied a taser was used? I'm curious as to if the wording was misinterpreted by the press, if it is misleading as written or if it is simply outright incorrect (I want to say deceitful, but with them aware that the press plus a ton of cameras were there watching the whole thing, I can't imagine it could possibly be intentional deceit... if so, it's not only deceit, but a case of horrifying stupidity, too). On the other hand, a quick polling of involved officers with one person saying "I tried to use my taser, but it malfunctioned" could reasonably lead to an official statement that none was used. Fuzzy and uncertain second hand reports with no primary statements available to the public and some of the news quickly vanishing into the ether as live reports close and articles are rewritten as events occurred. I thought this whole internet thing would make things better. ;) -jw
    • Here's more of the article: "[CHP Officer Marvin] Williford said reporters were incorrectly told no Tasers were used because while the use of the Taser was recorded on the official report of the incident, it wasn't brought to the attention of the officers who deal with the media until later.

      CHP issued the news release Friday after the campus' student newspaper, the California Aggie, and AggieTV produced photographs and video showing Nadimi being shocked. "

2010-03-15 09:15:45   I noticed that the poles were gone on Friday night but did not think much of it because I figured they were removed for an event during the weekend. According to one of the edits, I guess my initial guess was correct. —hankim

2010-03-15 13:18:09   Swords could be considered self-defense if people were allowed to carry around cane-swords and such. —hankim

2010-03-16 08:16:11   Thanks JW. I'd like to thank all my little inanimate friends in Davis. —jefftolentino

2010-03-16 08:25:31   Much obliged. —CovertProfessor

2010-03-17 19:06:16   its new england style, (cream based) it is really quite good there, they use a nice herb blend. —DagonJones

2010-03-18 08:13:51   This. —CovertProfessor

2010-03-18 10:07:03   Dont worry, you dont have to do anything today, email me at dagonjones at gmail dot com when you get your treatment plan. if the dentist takes digital xrays, have them emailed to you then forward them to me. I will give you my opinion based on what I can see from the films, of course it will be limited because there is often decay that can be seen visually but not on xrays. also if you can tell me the type of fills that are recommended, they should look like #3 MO or O or MOD etc. I would not worry too much about the bad reviews, even great dentists get some of those. —DagonJones

2010-03-18 15:17:53   Glad to hear you had a clean checkup. And thank you for your nice comments to the Dagon H.C. Jones, DDS page. The basal cell exam he is talking about involves using a light reactive dye that binds more favorably to rapidly dividing cells (esp. cancer cells) it is a good tool, $25 sounds like a pretty good price, I agree with you on a cost benefit basis I would go for it. It is called ViziLight Definitely get all the cleaning they recommend, if it has been 12 years there is likely some very tough tartar on your teeth that may take a few appointments to get it all off. —DagonJones

2010-03-18 15:29:16   Ah, that's great news! You're lucky to have so few problems after having not gone to the dentist for awhile. My perfectionist recommended some very extensive procedures... he had only started to implement his plan when I came to my senses and found myself a new dentist. —CovertProfessor

2010-03-19 09:08:15   Oh, alright. Either way... we just need one. I can slap the text version onto the /menu page. —TomGarberson

2010-03-19 20:59:50   Fair enough; I see now how the sentence could be interpreted as referring only to the demographics of the year 1850. However, the "formerly" still begs the question of what happened to the indigenous Patwin population. Hence, this omission is what led to my confusion. I think there needs to be some mention of the severe population decline and subsequent relocation of survivors to Mission Solano. —ScottMeehleib

2010-03-19 21:11:35   I'm curious why you took the note off of TheWardrobe user page... do you think they got the message?? —CovertProfessor

2010-03-19 21:28:13   Well, I thought we ought to give your original idea — the blanked page with just the comment on it — time to work. That always seems to get attention, so I wasn't sure why you abandoned it so quickly. —CovertProfessor

2010-03-19 21:51:07   New England. I just had a bowl today actually. Twas delicious. —ARWENNHOLD

2010-03-19 22:46:48   Well, until there is a technical solution to better get people's attention, we could soften messages left on blank pages... something like "we've been trying to get your attention, but can't seem to manage it, so we've temporarily blanked this page... please read the message on your user page." —CovertProfessor

2010-03-19 23:07:17   I like it! —CovertProfessor

2010-03-20 00:18:19   Thanks! —ScottMeehleib

2010-03-20 08:28:19   I don't think that a page about Davis should have it's People heading link go to People: "a simple list of people using the wiki." Looks like I made a mistake on Davis At A Glance>History>Town History —BruceHansen

2010-03-20 09:34:58   I thought you might amend your last comment if you saw my edit of my last comment. —BruceHansen

2010-09-14 15:52:55   FYI I'm former Rocky cast from out here in Rochester NY. If you ever want to visit, you'd be welcome but a hotel would need to be used. We're short on space —PeterBoulay

2010-09-14 16:02:21   Hey... Good to see the page back up as it should be. Glad to finally have you fully back. Yes, I need to fully preview to stop the micro-edits I have been doing. Thanks for the subtle hint for me (and for a lot of others too). —Wes-P

2010-09-14 16:04:42   Retired Rocky crew but Rocky crew nonetheless. Friday nights I work til midnight or later so I can't do that anymore. Saturdays is wifey-time.:) —PeterBoulay

2010-09-15 17:55:21   actually good sir it's back end bank terminology to "buy" bills from one till to another —StevenDaubert

2010-09-15 20:37:57   Nice personal page,'m too lazy to do something like that. —PeterBoulay

2010-09-16 12:41:18   Sure tell me how to make the BufWiki adjustments and I'll do it sometime this weekend-I'm off friday. —PeterBoulay

2010-09-17 18:23:17   You were going to send me those directions, Jabb? —PeterBoulay

2010-09-20 13:26:45   I didn't know that — thanks for the clarification. —CovertProfessor

2010-09-20 16:59:14   Jabb's—I'm not a coder. Would it be better if I just gave you Admin access to BufWiki for 24 hours when you know you can make the changes? —PeterBoulay

2010-09-21 04:47:03   Couldn't resist sharing this with you.

2010-09-21 09:53:40   That's one of the reasons I went with 'wesone72' for years... too many other Wes' out there. —Wes-P

2010-09-21 16:58:48   Hi Evan... I was just wondering what is intended by the "Proposal for a Radical Change" section of your page is for? —Wes-P

2010-09-21 19:38:53   Jabb—let's keep the blue in BufWiki. Thx —PeterBoulay

2010-09-21 19:51:55   oh.. heh heh.. sorry about that. Yes, I was involved in that until it got so bad it was obvious it was better to just back off and let the other guy bury himself. Funny now, looking back on the debacle. —Wes-P

2010-09-21 20:41:07   I saw and was perfectly okay with the edit. I thought about linking the articles again, but I figured it has been linked enough already in comments themselves and in an addendum to them. So, no harm no foul. I am done with this page for the night though.. growing tired of it at the moment. —Wes-P

2010-09-24 16:02:35   So what day do you want to do the install??? It appears Bradmandell has vanished into the ether so I'm handling all admin duties on BuffWiki from here on —PeterBoulay

2010-09-27 18:52:53   Good featured page! That's definitely something to highlight (more so than this Greatest Bicycle Parade, which has just gotten downright silly IMO). —CovertProfessor

2010-09-28 13:37:52   Unfortunately missed those. I don't have much time to maintain support requests right now. Setting things up so other people can do this, though.. —PhilipNeustrom

2010-09-28 16:30:05   Thanks. There's no hurry. —Mateo

2010-09-29 11:06:46   Just have to hope they're not out. I think I may head on down there shortly to try and beat the lunch rush :) —TomGarberson

2010-09-29 15:08:33   Hahaha... no, actually, it doesn't. Every couple of weeks I do get calls or e-mails from business owners who don't like edits I've made on their pages, though. —TomGarberson

2010-09-29 16:37:47   I totally understand. I'm in the process of moving across the country as well. —Mateo

2010-09-30 12:54:13   Jabbs—Thanks-I appreciate the offer but it's ok. Some of the Buffalo students—when I posted that they needed to credit their pics-just wiped out my request and continued on their merry way. That's not just being newbie-that's just plain being rude. I found out which dept they're in at UB and have sent a complaint to the Dept Chair to ask the professor to be more cognizant of what the students are doing. —PeterBoulay

2010-10-01 04:10:03   I saw your note on the abuse page. Does the DB access help? If you're overwhelmed then we should post a note asking for help. —PhilipNeustrom

2010-10-01 14:15:02   There's a very specific reason I changed that line. At the risk of me pissing more people off, it does relate to legalities and general public safety. I'd be more than happy to discuss it privately with you, but please respect my changes on that page. There's a reason why the state has granted me permission to do what I do with firearms. Let me spread my knowledge out, however discrete it may be. —RickJames

2010-10-01 14:28:45   Oh. The thing said it was reverted back to what it was before and as I saw it, which was to answer NO to everything. It doesn't look good if you say that, especially since advice on answering those questions is banned from gun stores. I don't think we want to be promoting gun ownership to people who can't answer for themselves on whether or not they are felons or mentally handicapped. That's what happened at that Virgina college. The kid was lead on what to answer on the DROS forms, which then gave him access to a firearm. If he had answered on his own, he may have answered truthfully and been forever denied a handgun. I look at the edit as a safety issue. —RickJames

2010-10-01 14:34:27   I agree with Rick James, bitch! I mean, Evan. While saying, "answer NO on everything or you're screwed or don't bother" doesn't actually tell anyone to lie on forms, it does sort of encourage it. Public safety, keeping guns out of the hands of dangerous types, whatever the reason, I think it's better to avoid suggesting that if you want a gun, you should answer "NO" to all of the questions. —TomGarberson

  • I thought the store has to submit a background check request to the police who make sure the person is not lying on the form, so lying would not do any good anyway... —hankim

2010-10-01 14:52:56   The problem is that people will read it as a way to "cheat the system". They'll see it as "if I answer all 'No', then I'll get a gun!" rather than "I can answer all 'No', therefore I can get a gun." It's a subtle difference that speaks a lot. —RickJames

2010-10-01 14:57:06   I read it a bit differently. The actual text: Make sure to answer NO to the Yes/No questions (e.g. Have you ever been judged mentally incompetent? NO... Have you ever been convicted of a felony? NO...) Unless of course the answer is Yes. If it is, just leave. You can't buy a gun. Maybe I'm just cynical, but to me, it reads as first instructing you to fill it out in the negative, and second, explaining why the answer should be negative. There's a nod there to the idea that you should tell the truth, but it comes across as secondary to the main instruction (answer "No"). Again, though, that's just my interpretation. If it remains in its prior form, I think it should at least be accompanied with a warning that lying on the form is a felony. —TomGarberson

2010-10-01 15:05:08   [email protected]RickJames

2010-10-03 15:46:00   Ahh, yeah, that makes sense. —TomGarberson

2010-10-04 20:06:28   Agreed. —CovertProfessor

2010-10-08 15:28:16   FYI since we discussed Bufwiki previously, I thought I'd update you on things. Bradmandell had posted on ( RocWiki) that he's no longer working on BufWiki despite still having privs. On his Wikispot page ( (where he requested ppl post), I told him I still want to work with him and then deleted my post. Based on this, I am assuming that I am now the only admin on BufWiki. —PeterBoulay

2010-10-11 08:42:25   It's one of those South Park jokes that seems more disgusting than funny. I wish they'd cut that stuff out... I watch in spite of such jokes. —WilliamLewis

2010-10-11 12:49:59   Do you know how to create an edit link on the fornt page at Even when the page shows clearly that I am logged in I never see an edit link. I have been able to make internal pages on this wiki, but cannot make the necessary links from the front page to the internal pages. —BruceThomas

2010-10-11 15:43:42   Ah, I thought he meant email address. But your answer is better. —CovertProfessor

2010-10-11 18:34:12   I see... I just looked for the "offensive" South Park joke to see if it was deleted, which it was again.. did not see the other edits that were made. I reverted it to include the comment. As for the "manager" comments... I agree they should probably be removed. —Wes-P

2010-10-12 12:10:09   Good idea? Not sure, I guess... I like the idea of having a compilation somewhere of people and businesses that helped shape Davis in its early days, though. Plus, we have a lot of orphaned pages for historical people places that don't really fit anywhere else. If they just get dumped into People or Departed Businesses, they'll essentially just disappear. I'm certainly open to other ideas. This just seemed like a good way to compile some of that stuff, tie it into town history, and solve the whole orphaning thing. —TomGarberson

I started a talk page for it to get ideas: HistoricDavis/Talk —tg

2010-10-12 12:52:32   Very good point re: photo requests. My thought with this was more of a compilation, rather than a request for action, though. Just cross-linking with town history (or a sub-page) might be an alternative, making a list or set of lists manually. It's twice as many edits, though, and I'm not sure the result would be very different. I also think it would be a shame to leave those pages floating in a relatively unconnected manner. If we had more information on birth/death dates and dates of establishment/closure, putting them directly into the Davis Timeline would be really cool. Based on what we've got, though, that's not really practical. —TomGarberson

2010-10-12 13:42:47   Re: unknown set of years and narrowing things to a decade or individual year: that would probably work for getting the links in one place. It'd be a beast to get it organized and make it look remotely decent, though. In most cases, Jason included a year during which the people/places were extant, but "existed during" is a pretty difficult standard to work with on a timeline. If topics were extant during more than one decade, do they appear in the unknown page for all relevant decades? How do we sort date ranges if we know Item A was extant during 1914-1917, Item B was extant during 1913-1921, and Item C was extant during 1914-1920, but not whether any of them existed before or after that date? It seems like you either come down to individual date headers for each item, or no headings, with a listing of items individually, much like an include list.

It seems to me that for uncertainties like that, it would be much easier to have an "early Davis" category or set of categories, by whatever name, to collect interesting people and places from Davis's early days. If the terminology is too amorphous, it would be easy enough to set a somewhat arbitrary cutoff for the sake of simplicity. 1917, when City of Davis was incorporated; 1933, when population exploded in town due to the institution of a 4-year degree program at University Farm; 1941, with the start of WWII. Whatever. —TomGarberson

2010-10-12 14:18:21   I've only done a few orphaned pages so far. I haven't around for other stuff (or even finished the orphaned list). —TomGarberson

2010-10-13 11:55:35   Personal, working (in flux) thoughts:

  • Pink: Permanent Notice that is part of content. Establishes the context before you read the rest of the page.
  • Yellow: Major content notice (editor info that affects the whole entry) OR review toppers (HIPAA, etc., because pink would visually dominate too much)
  • Yellow/Blue: Minor content notice (typically inline, or referring to one aspect of the entry, a discussion thread, two suspicious comments, etc) —JabberWokky

2010-10-13 13:01:42   Since you're going gangbusters on cleaning up the includes, I thought I might mention one possible sort of include that crops up from time to time when a business has not quite closed, but has changed form enough to warrant a new page. The business owner understandably gets upset if there is a "departed business" banner, or even the "no longer exists" banner. So, what we've done (I think you've done some of these, too) is to create an ad hoc banner, such as the one that is on Angie's Beauty Salon or Monticello Bistro (to name two I've done recently). What is key about these, I think, is that they link to the new business. That makes it hard to create a generic include for such cases. Can you think of a neater way to handle this, or do we just continue to make the ad hoc ones when we need to? —CovertProfessor

  • How about an include with a moving van picture that explains that the business has either moved or changed its name and we can keep it general by keeping the details of the move or rename in the main body and then have the include tell the reader to scroll down? —hankim

2010-10-13 13:15:45   That sounds promising. —CovertProfessor

2010-10-13 15:44:12   I will resize it when I have some free time —DagonJones

2010-10-13 16:24:05   Aw... how sweet. —hankim

  • Heh. I do try to edit cooperatively, and that means if two people are voting for the dodo, I'll go with the dodo. -jw

2010-10-13 17:07:10   Yay!! Thank you!! —CovertProfessor

2010-10-13 17:08:47   I like the new pics for the includes. A lot. It might even be love... I'm just so confused! As for the parrot vs. dodo, I like (love? gah!) both. —TomGarberson

2010-10-13 17:45:07   The more birds on the wiki, the better. If it were a Carolina parakeet, it would be even more appropriate! —WilliamLewis

2010-10-14 08:28:02   If I can resize the dodo, and make the background pink and all that then I think it would look good but as it stands the parrot looks much nicer. I had to look up "its metabolic processes are known only to historians" to figure out what the reference was. Clearly I need to brush up on my Monty Python. —DagonJones

2010-10-18 14:38:24   Hahahahaha! —TomGarberson

2010-10-18 17:26:50   Doing it by date.... —PeterBoulay

2010-10-18 19:59:33   Sorry Jabbs...meant to leave it on the Users page. Thx for catching that —PeterBoulay

2010-10-18 20:13:47   Please call my cell: (530)304-3698. I'm tired of people giving out wrong information. I am not the manager by a long shot. I merely work in the office now because I've been a happy tenant for several years now and I wanted very much to get more involved with the complex. —RickJames

2010-10-18 20:37:29   Jabbs—this issue with Allegre and Reneng needs to stop. He's monopolizing the wiki for his own purposes. This "public eye" thing is not other cases I'd probably agree but he needs to call the office or email them and settle it—period. —PeterBoulay

  • Thank you for understanding! :) —Richard (Allegre)
  • I don't disagree. How are you planning to foster a positive resolution? Demands seldom work well within a community of equals. -jw
  • See the new discussion you opened for further comments. —PeteB

2010-10-18 21:00:00   (sorry putting this here now and going home to bed) My recommendation to deal with this in a positive manner is rather clear...simply don't allow the war to continue here. It's not productive for either side and the needed appropriate info is simply not being communicated in this medium. Reneng really needs to call the office and speak to them directly about the issue. —PeterBoulay

  • Yup. As I said, I don't disagree with that. -jw

2010-10-18 21:52:02   Yeah, I figured that out reading back over today's edits on the page. Thanks for clarifying. —TomGarberson

2010-10-19 12:57:02   JW-strongly recommend locking the - page to avoid his persistent habit of making legal threats-it's not good for the Wiki. —PeterBoulay

In a general sense, I agree. We don't want legal threats on the wiki, but in my mind, that's mostly because of the deterrent effect that'll have on users. In this particular case, that isn't an issue. I'm extremely curious to see how far he'll take this. —TomGarberson

Davis is full of — interesting — people. Pretty much every community is. Just let it go. There's no real damage being done to the wiki — just a couple oddball comments on user profiles — and Tom doesn't seem to mind. If he does, he's perfectly capable of knowing how to voice his concern. The Front Page is the wiki, not Recent Changes. Although... Tom, please don't push it to the point where it becomes an actual issue. Even if it is making you curious. Escalation is a bad thing, m'kay? —Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards

  • Not true JW...I have received a couple emails over the past few hours from people asking why this is being allowed to continue—people from Davis. —PeterBoulay

2010-10-19 13:11:59   I agree with Peter Boulay, and in this unusual case would consider removing some of the comments. —DonShor

2010-10-19 13:21:56   Requesting immediate and full restoration of the comments on the - page and locking of it to preserve the info there in (in an unburied state) that he may use against TG (or any of us). —PeterBoulay

2010-10-19 13:32:25   In light of the latest comment, I'm not really sure what to think. As long as logs of this whole thing remain available, in the event he actually does file something, I will defer to whatever you think is the best way to deal with this. —TomGarberson

2010-10-19 13:40:22   JW—I appreciate your "really quiet state" but please restore the comments he's removed. Thank You —PeterBoulay

2010-10-19 14:50:06   haha thanks, it's been fun so far, I never knew Poland was so cheap. —JoePomidor

2010-10-19 20:41:50   Are choppers banned, or just certain types of exhaust systems? I believe there's been a ban on straight pipes for some time now, for example. —TomGarberson

2010-10-19 22:23:44   Hahahaha! I love all the creative new ideas for addressing leaf issues. We should see about getting some ballot measures started. Hurry back to Davis! —TomGarberson

2010-10-19 22:25:34   I like where this is going. —hankim

2010-10-20 11:59:01   I think banning non delivery cars in the downtown is a great idea. I proposed it once while taking environmental science merit badge in Boy Scouts, but the idea never went anywhere. —NickSchmalenberger

  • God forbid you get an elderly person or one with a disability who needs a car to get around. This would make Davis non-liveable for them. —PeterBoulay
    • Campus has made it work pretty well and is a much larger area (I think) than downtown. There'd need to be more/better parking around downtown, and probably a new bus depot with additional routes connecting it with surrounding areas. If you have a system for bringing in delivery vehicles, you can easily adapt it for handicapped access as well, I would think. —TomGarberson

2010-10-20 15:13:18   Thanks for making the featured page pictures pretty! —PhilipNeustrom

2010-10-20 16:15:18   Stats are broken? Everytime I've checked them they seem to be accurate —PeterBoulay

2010-10-20 16:54:57   Jeezus yer being picky on my review setups, man... —PeterBoulay

2010-10-20 18:08:38   JW—when do you think you can fix the scheme on BufWiki??? I'd like to put that issue to bed. Thx —PeterBoulay

2010-10-20 18:16:22   Ok I'll add you as a admin now....and will remove it friday by 3:30pm EST —PeterBoulay

2010-10-20 20:42:15   Wow. That is an *amazing* page!! —CovertProfessor

2010-10-20 21:49:10   Hey, all of the stuff you did was spot on. I'm getting better but I'm still a little new, so your help's appreciated. Thanks! —AndrewWaag

2010-10-21 13:24:15   It was just more along the lines of me making sure it's "safe" to do. If anybody had objections or reasons against it, I figure the more seasoned editors might be able to shed that light. Thanks! —Richard (Allegre) —AllegreApartments

2010-10-22 09:55:44   Thanks! The only one you missed that I've noticed amounts to "WTF, seriously?" —TomGarberson

2010-10-22 10:07:37   JW-you said you'd get to Buffalo yesterday???? I'm sorry but I need to have an idea when you'll get that done please. —PeterBoulay

2010-10-22 11:57:53   Thx Jabs..I blew out my back and at home today so not around much —PeterBoulay

2010-10-23 11:48:29   Thx for the work-I've deadmined you. I'm back at work-phenomenally sore back—but at least I can drive again —PeterBoulay

2010-10-26 15:45:06   JW—I would suggest banning anonpincher would be reasonable at this point —PeterBoulay

  • Most likely the user will leave without a banning as long as we keep her name off of the Wiki. —hankim

2010-10-26 16:21:37   Thank you, I really appreciate your help. Also, I see what you mean about the real name issue. —GroundZero

2010-10-26 17:12:24   Opinions should not factor into whether or not honest reviews should be made. Your opinion about my communication style and demeanor should have no bearing on my honest assessment of Adobe at Evergreen. —anonpincher

* Thanks Evan for being so generous with your time and speaking with me on the phone to introduce me to the basics. It was very helpful and will undoubtedly provide for better contributions in the future if any at all. —anonpincher

2010-10-26 18:52:06   Thanks for the comment. :) —DukeMcAdow

2011-03-21 12:43:27   Well, if it's a symptom or contributing part of the problem, it can become a part of the solution IMO. —DonShor

2011-03-21 12:53:51   ♥♥♥

why did you BL your page? —StevenDaubert

2011-03-21 13:04:05   I disagree with the scorched earth decision on Village Cab/Talk. There was (aside from the arguments) a lot of valid discussion. IMHO It should've just been left to die—more so for posterity. —PeterBoulay

2011-03-21 13:23:55   why cant the creator of a page take it down? The business name is mine. —DavidPlacencia

2011-03-21 13:43:51   your comment is appreciated, however destruction was most definitely not my motivation, and your editorial might is severely frightening. this strange exercise of omnipotence is surreal. what will the "community" decide if she never calls or responds? —DavidPlacencia

2011-03-21 18:22:49   Please see the Wiki Community/Accusations/Talk page. —Wes-P

2011-03-21 21:44:17   This is a reason I made the proposal/discussion page to begin with. I know for a fact there are more intelligent people out there (not an admission of being a cyber-moron) who might be able to come up with better ideas. I love the DavisWiki (insert obvious statement) but am tired, as many are, of the constant degradation of valid discussion turning into cyber-battles over opinion. I know we can find a way to work together. After all, we all worked together to get the Wiki this far. —Wes-P

2011-03-21 21:52:19   I tend to agree with the poll vs. votes aspect. A time constraint is also somewhat important as it doesn't take much to mar a reputation. On the flipside though, if the accusation were to be validated, we would want it to be made public as quickly as possible to allow people to make a genuinely informed decision as well. —Wes-P

2011-03-21 22:05:30   It is my opinion (and only this for better or worse) that our little experiment only proves the point that we need to find a solution to the problem as a community. One individual making the choice (by making an accusation or deleting a page/comment/partial comment) has too much power. Two individuals would only occasionally find neutral territory to decide. Three would often be decided upon by who the third tends to agree with most often. It has to be the community as a whole, with some type of time constraint. —Wes-P

2011-03-21 22:27:03   Love the alterations to the Wiki Community/Accusations page. —Wes-P

2011-03-21 22:33:14   After looking at recent changes every couple of hours tonight, I really hope the new wiki software has a means of tracking edits by multiple editors across multiple pages. There seem to be interlocked conversations taking place on about 10 or 12 different pages tonight. —TomGarberson

2011-03-22 00:12:52   No problem - I'm all for free speech of course, but the hostility in his previous comments toward other users is downright scary, figured he could use a reminder. —MeggoWaffle

2011-03-23 08:49:03   Hahaha, wow, I love the talk pages! Let the party never end! —NickSchmalenberger

2011-03-23 09:32:02   Thanks Jabberwokky. It was nice to see your comment this morning. I really can't figure out why she's so upset. I offered her her money back, but she said no... —Davidlm

2011-03-23 10:22:43   Haha Will showed me that hack. Black font on most colors looks awful. I'm a font racist. —OliviaY

2011-03-23 12:32:13   I'm tempted myself, but honestly I just don't want to see anymore cab pages for a while.. lol —Wes-P

2011-03-23 13:21:11   Double Tap!OliviaY

2011-03-23 17:55:32   Article you linked to was about an oil sanction and I couldn't find an article on Rebecca Black on their site. —hankim

2011-03-23 19:18:07   It was a really interesting article on the song Friday's social commentary about how Americans are addicted to oil because we are constantly kicking in the front seat and sitting in the back seat, and all that gas wasted while we decide which seat to take, but it really did not have anything to do with the Rebecca Black here in Davis. —hankim

2011-03-24 10:14:43   It's gratifying to find another (former) watcher of Better Off Ted. —JoePomidor

2011-03-25 11:29:28   So true. I don't know ho Jason could do all the deletions and still be a part of other things (read cab dramas). I have been far too active on the Wiki lately, at least more active than before... burnout is an appropriate term for now.

Glad it's so nice in Tenn., the weather here has been absolutely dreadful lately. Take care man, hope you have a great weekend. —Wes-P

2011-03-25 11:55:04   Hey Jabberwokky, I'm sorry about all my clients posting on one time accounts. It's actually getting kind of embarrassing at this point. I'm going to start encouraging them to do more edits now that they know how! —Davidlm

2011-03-27 06:47:21   Thanks for your help (and fast, as it is often) with Friendly Cab/Talk. Thanks to the others too. —BruceHansen

2011-03-27 10:57:34   I don't think it's a double standard, it's apples and oranges. Businesses by default are wiki noteworthy, and so I think employees tend to generally be considered extensions or representatives of said company. As an example, at Monticello it seems Rhonda is clearly the face of the restaurant, as a lot of comments are about her. This is because of her association with the place. I don't think the inverse is true, regarding calling out clients. Mostly because unlike a business employee, a client is a standalone unit. Simply put, "eating dinner at XYZ" or "watching a movie" or whatever isn't in and of itself, noteworthy and wouldn't warrant importance enough to be a wiki page. Now, clearly there are bound to be exceptions of noteworthiness, and I think that's the real issue here (not a supposed double standard). If someone went buckwild and there was an article about it in the Enterprise or the Aggie...probably people might argue for it being on the wiki. The real question I'm seeing here is what type of source and level of reporting is necessary. Does it *have* to be in a newspaper or blog of some level of importance? Or do second-hand stories which some allege are close to heresay qualify? Some businesses do have "do not serve" or "don't accept checks from" or "these people are banned" lists. Would the wiki be ok with them making that information public? I have no idea, but one day those particular issues might pop up.

I'm generally fine with people upset at an employee/business (when you're at work, you represent the company) as long as they stay away from the personal attacks. I'm not comfortable with the inverse of calling out a random client, in general. There have been times people have complained about a stylist or restaurant and then they've been called out by said stylist/waiter in a response to their comment. But I don't think I've seen the business throw the first stone, really. And although this word is tossed up way too often on the wiki (libel), this is one of the few times I've considered whether a party could allege it and not just be completely wrong. In this case specifically, the stone throw is rather direct and the facebook link is in my eyes obviously only included with malignant intent (justified or not). —EdWins

  • I think Josh's intent is only half-malignant. On one hand I think he wants to punish the girl; on the other hand, I think he legitimately wants to protect other local cab drivers from her by posting her name and likneness. But it still amounts to hearsay because he didn't experience the incident directly so it's a bad precedent to allow. -SM

2011-03-27 21:31:38   You are indeed very ecumenical. When I replied to you, I was referring to the collective voice of the Wiki as it has been expressed on Talk pages over the last few years. What you and I think has often not ended up being the outcome. There have been three discussions in the last couple of weeks that have gone in rather different directions. I have some hope about this, but.... —DonShor

2011-03-27 22:12:21   I am all for main content being edited all the time, but I personally think comments (even though they are despised by most) should be unedited most of the time. I always thought of them as interviews or something with the locals or whatnot regarding a topic on the Wiki. Also, I know integration is always preferred, but I think comments are pretty darn important when it comes to opinionated content that people cannot come to a compromise on. For the primary source being in the history, my only problem with that is that nobody ever really looks at the history unless the user is a regular. —hankim

2011-03-28 00:02:33   I think "culling" the wiki is usually pretty wrong, removing stuff just because there is apparently too much. Sometimes we need to remove things because they shouldn't be on the wiki in the first place, but I think just removing instead of rearranging is wrong. Yes this is more raw material as you say for other pages than easily readable itself, but being raw material doesn't make it good to delete either. Why not just keep it? —NickSchmalenberger

2011-03-28 00:31:12   Looking at deleting stuff on the wiki in the way of wikipedia, with deletionism vs inclusionism, we have a really useful test which is to ask if it is about Davis or not. I know the insane scope of wikipedia was one reason wikia was started, but Daviswiki already has a pretty limited and useful scope, I don't think it needs to be more limited than it already is. I think that crazy long debates about weird stuff are totally on topic for the wiki and do belong here, its just the way Davis is. —NickSchmalenberger


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